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This is such an amazing statement :D

Sorry I did not think these forums were populated with being that existed on other plants, as I can assure you computers on desks still rule and run the world.

A laptop can still sit on a desk and do 99% of what needs to be done for the majority of workers out there.

And you might want to look at that desktop % you keep touting Apple needs to take over.

Global personal computer shipments plummeted 13.9 percent in the latest quarter and 14% in the previous quarter, further evidence of a quickly decaying market.

The desktop market is a niche now...but you go ahead and enjoy it.
 
Look at Windows go......

Feel bad for Blackberry, lumbering dinosaur has turned into a lumbering woodchuck.

Windows growing is rather surprising, seems to be gathering traction now.

Maybe.

WP IMHO is better that the android phones so not surprised their numbers are increasing.
 
I have an iPhone 5.

And the reason why Apple market shares are decreasing is because it's a huge pile of ****. It's not innovative or new for one cent, and I had more problem with it that any other previous iPhone.

And the upcoming iPhone 5C doesn't look like it's going to change anything. Rather it's going to kill Apple's image and brand a little more looking at how cheap it is, surely "Steve Jobs would've never allowed it".
 
Huh. How do you explain why more and more developers are heading towards Android even though they currently make more money on iOS? Because Android has a huge and growing marketshare. As their marketshare is growing, the amount of money developers can make is also growing.

Apple's marketshare is dropping. What part of this looks promising for me as a consumer who uses iOS? A platform with hardware that is more expensive and a dwindling marketshare. It is not difficult to see a point where it will become common for there to be an Android version of an app and not an iOS one (where today there opposite is often the case). I want healthy competition, not just huge profits. I don't want Apple to go back to the days where you felt lucky if something on the PC was also available for the Mac even if the Mac was the superior experience.

No serious app developer develops for Android first unless Android pays them exclusively. And no developer would ever go exclusive on Android.

Right now, the exclusive is iOS. You'll be lucky if something hits Android.

Come back in 3-4 months. We'll talk market share then when the 5c is out. Even though market share doesn't matter, Apple with the 5c is going to take a big % of the 2nd/3rd world market very soon.
 
Wow Android is unstoppable, well done Google. Glad to see Windows Phone doing better as well because its a great smartphone os.
 
I agree, the stats are bogus. Any of us can come up with metrics to back whatever point we are trying to make. Realistically though it's pure garbage. Microsoft tried the same thing using these stats when Windows 8 and Surface launched. You see where that went and how that worked for MS.
 
Huh. How do you explain why more and more developers are heading towards Android even though they currently make more money on iOS?

They see it as an additional revenue source.

Because Android has a huge and growing marketshare. As their marketshare is growing, the amount of money developers can make is also growing.

Yep. Not sure what that has to do with what I said.

Apple's marketshare is dropping. What part of this looks promising for me as a consumer who uses iOS?

The part where their shipments continue to rise.

A platform with hardware that is more expensive and a dwindling marketshare. It is not difficult to see a point where it will become common for there to be an Android version of an app and not an iOS one (where today there opposite is often the case).

Only when it becomes more profitable to develop for Android. If it isn't with 80% of the market, when will it happen?

I want healthy competition, not just huge profits. I don't want Apple to go back to the days where you felt lucky if something on the PC was also available for the Mac even if the Mac was the superior experience.

That's exactly what we have now.
 
Maybe.

WP IMHO is better that the android phones so not surprised their numbers are increasing.

What's funny is you believe IDCs numbers. They are using a 'shipped' metric which doesn't amount to anything.

They are almost always wrong and disproven with usage metrics and actual sales #s from Apple.
 
apart from one of my kids...

...I know no one with an android phone. I personally hate android devices. I would rather use BB. Android offers nothing for me personally that I need and can't get on the iOS. These numbers seem fishy.
 
No real surprise here. Google is sorta in the position with mobile devices that Microsoft was with PCs. It looks like Apple will then occupy the same position that they did with PCs. As long as they can maintain the profit margin, they do pretty well as a niche player.

So the iPhone will go from being niche... to being mainstream... to being niche again? Lol.

I guess I wouldn't mind a price increase if that meant some crazy new features and better OS than iOS 7.
 
As an iOS developer, I'm wondering at what point I should abandon ship and switch to Android development. There still seems to be plenty of cash in iOS dev at the moment but how long will that last with a decreasing market share?

The majority of users are now using Android devices, especially outside of the United States. And in second and third world countries, Apple is not even in the game.

But this is not a binary situation. Stay with one foot in the iOS ecosystem, but start with multi-platform development and bring your product also to the other platforms. If you can, release simultaneously on Android and iOS -- many Android users have become rather unforgiving when they see that products are first released for iOS and that the developers dump half-assed ports to Android several months later. Let's say that there now is choice and that we prefer products that take the Android customer base seriously.
 
A laptop can still sit on a desk and do 99% of what needs to be done for the majority of workers out there.

And you might want to look at that desktop % you keep touting Apple needs to take over.



The desktop market is a niche now...but you go ahead and enjoy it.

Yes, because unlike Mobile phones and tablets, people are not changing their desktops every year or two. Really, as you serious when you think the world manufacturing/financial and general economy are run from laptops and mobile devices?
 
I have an iPhone 5.

And the reason why Apple market shares are decreasing is because it's a huge pile of ****. It's not innovative or new for one cent, and I had more problem with it that any other previous iPhone.

And the upcoming iPhone 5C doesn't look like it's going to change anything. Rather it's going to kill Apple's image and brand a little more looking at how cheap it is, surely "Steve Jobs would've never allowed it".

So a phone you've never actually seen hands on you already know is cheap? Wow. Amazing insight for something you've not actually seen or felt in your hand.
 
...I know no one with an android phone. I personally hate android devices. I would rather use BB. Android offers nothing for me personally that I need and can't get on the iOS. These numbers seem fishy.

That's funny as I don't know 1 person who has an Apple phone.

I know a guy who had one and switched to a GS2 and now a GS3.
He did buy his wife a iPhone 5 as she likes simple things to use.

Everyone else I know has an android phone.
 
I have an iPhone 5.

And the reason why Apple market shares are decreasing is because it's a huge pile of ****. It's not innovative or new for one cent, and I had more problem with it that any other previous iPhone.

And the upcoming iPhone 5C doesn't look like it's going to change anything. Rather it's going to kill Apple's image and brand a little more looking at how cheap it is, surely "Steve Jobs would've never allowed it".

Stop acting as if you know anything about SJ, you don't. You also know nothing about the 5c inasmuch as you don't know if it even exists. Second, you have problems with the 5? Get a new one. I'd like to see you try that with an android phone. Technology isn't perfect, defective handsets exist everywhere, including Apple. Also, Apple's marketshare is not decreasing. I don't see a negative sign next to that 20%.
 
Who really gives a **** about 'world wide' marketshare?
This includes **** hole 2nd and 3rd world countries which would add next to nothing to Apple's bottom line.

The only metric that makes any difference is profitshare and Apple is still king - by a wide margin.

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Sure there are untapped markets (China) where Apple would like to gain a foothold and they are addressing that issue with this new iPhone 5C (or whatever). Statistics like that cited in the article include people in **** hold countries (or continents) like Africa and South America who's markets have a very small value proposition.

Then again, Apple could just chase marketshare with low margin products and put their entire business model in jeopardy.

Just FYI, it is 2013... might want to update your source.

These may help.

Recent

http://www.businessinsider.com/smartphone-industry-profit-share-2013-7

http://www.onenewspage.us/n/Technology/74vzeczqq/CHART-OF-THE-DAY-Samsung-Is-Stealing-Smartphone.htm

Quarters past

http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/15/ap...43-samsung-95-share-of-that-more-than-google/

Sammy is growing.
 
Wait until Samsung will come out with its new mobile OS system, and all of its products will convert to it - see Android market share fall from whatever it is now to below 10%.

The only reason its market share is so high up is thanks to Samsung devices and it being used in phones of all price ranges.

For a single iPhone, its quite amazing how big of a share it has. Try comparing Samsung S3 or S4 to iPhone 4 or 5, you'd be surprised just how far and away iPhone is from its competition.
 
Apple has repeated "We just want to make great products". They say "winning has never been about having the most".

And here comes the budget iPhone.

What does that tell you?
 
Apple has repeated "We just want to make great products". They say "winning has never been about having the most".

And here comes the budget iPhone.

What does that tell you?

That they think they can make a great iPhone at a lower cost?
 
iOS stands no chance against Android no matter how many cheap phones Apple puts out. The cheapest phone Apple puts out will still be way expensive than the much cheaper handsets put out by Chinese manufacturers like MicroMax,Karbonne etc... Yes they are just in the asian market right now. Not sure about what is happening in EU.

That being said, iOS still reigns supreme as the creamiest smoothest OS for mobiles. Android still has a long way to go. I have a SG S4 and a Sony Experia Tab Z. Love the hardware on both but it's nowhere close to iOS.

iOS might get some traction if Apple cuts the umbilical cord between iOS and iTunes. Which is unlikely to happen.

Android users walk into a store, buy the phone sign in to Google and done. No "Connect to iTunes to activate" crap. Not sure if that's how it is done now, but that's how I had to do it when I got my iPhone 4S 2 years ago.
 
Don't worry guys; Iphone 5s and 5c will turn things around.

Tim Cook 2013

Don't worry guys; iphone 6 and 6c will turn things around.

Tim Cook 2014

Don't worry guys; iphone 7 will turn things around.

New Apple CEO

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