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Here goes WS again. Surveys to show android catching up. BS I say.

Only retards would choose JAVA over native OSX. Well Barnum did say a sucker is born every minute.

Anyway I don't believe in the survey. Just look at the number of actual sales of Androids vs the iphone. Look at the growth of the apps download.

this are contrived news for purposes of WS stock manipulations nothing more.
 
I am just wondering how long before Microsoft casually bows out of the Market... I know it's not gonna happen but I can dream. Looking forward to you 5-10% niche Market Share ;P

Microsoft bows out of no market. They want their dirty fingers in every pie - and they have enough cash to buy your love...eventually.

Billions lost and countless dead Xbox 360s and they're still pumping money into that hole. Not to mention Zune.
 
Someone said Apple needs to up it game. NOT!
Android is a 3rd party OS being adopted by almost every cell phone vendors out there while the iphone OS is Apple's exclusive, built from the ground up OS not used by anyone else. Also, keep in mind that there are many phones competing against each other using Android.And they will fight to the finish for that market share. Meanwhile Google will tout the idea along with wall street that all them Android phones represent just ONE phone competing against iphone.
THAT IS A BIG FAT LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Google doesn't pay for Nokie,LG, Sony E etc hardware.
Putting out a 3rd party OS is easy and watching it get adopted is awesome.
But Apple pays for their OS and the hardware. A riskier endeavor,IMHO, that should be rewarded far more than Google's business of digitally pimping out an OS to cell phone vendors.
 
of course android is gaining momentum, they are the current smartphone WHORE!

on multiple handsets on multiple carriers, YAWN.

the iPhone is apple phones/AT&T exclusive and that's better.

Android never did and still doesn't feel "finished" and I doubt it ever will.
 
Well, I guess "gaining momentum among future smartphone buyers" is an appropriate topic for a rumor site.

In other news, I'm in the market for a rocket ship. No doubt NASA is going under.
 
I agree that a lot of the interest in Android can be attributed to it being on multiple phones and multiple carriers. The iPhone is doing very well considering it's on only one carrier in the US. I do think the Nexus One is going to take some potential iPhone customers but this summer Apple will shut down the mobile phone world again with the next iPhone. The Nexus one could have been so much better with a nice UI to make it look more complete. However competition is always good.
 
Here goes WS again. Surveys to show android catching up. BS I say.

Only retards would choose JAVA over native OSX. Well Barnum did say a sucker is born every minute.

How does Java compete with Native OS X ? Or do you mean Dalvik vs UIKit ? Or do you mean Java the language vs Objective-C ?

Java the language, combined with the Dalvik VM and the Android frameworks is a very good platform.

Don't confuse this with J2ME, J2EE or J2SE, Sun's VM and frameworks. Android doesn't use those. But you do know all of this since you are criticizing it. You wouldn't talk about things you have no clue about on a tech forum where you would be instantly corrected for such a glaring oversight right ? :rolleyes:
 
Adding up

Did anyone else notice that the Current Survey and Previous survey number do not add up to 100% in any of the cases? They are adding up to 70-79%. Im curious as to the close to 30% of the people unrepresented in these graphs. Are they just "Other" or "Don't Care"? I think its pertinent since in the first graph Apple's share went down 4% but Andriod's went up 15%. Even if all 4% decided they wanted an android phone that leaves 11% coming from elsewhere. Even with every listed decline accounted for, 6% is still coming from somewhere else. Where or what category are they coming from?
 
Always healthy for the consumer when there's good competition :)

Still waiting for an ATT-3G compatible Android phone to be released here...
 
The contract on my Moto Slvr ends later this month and I will be replacing it with a HTC Android phone.

Maybe by the time that contract expires there will be a CDMA iPhone. If not, well, ask me in 2012 :p
 
Always healthy for the consumer when there's good competition :)

Still waiting for an ATT-3G compatible Android phone to be released here...

Rumor has it Motorola has one coming for AT&T and it will make an appearance at CES 2010. I am not sure if it will be entry level or if it will be something closer to the Droid. Some rumors say it will be a Google Experience phone like the Droid or N1 and others say it will be running the Motoblur IU over the top of Android. I guess we should find out in a few days.

of course android is gaining momentum, they are the current smartphone WHORE!

on multiple handsets on multiple carriers, YAWN.

the iPhone is apple phones/AT&T exclusive and that's better.

Android never did and still doesn't feel "finished" and I doubt it ever will.

Could you please explain why the iPhone being AT&T exclusive is better? I would think having a choice of multiple carriers is better. You can argue a good point on having Apple control the hardware and software, but I don't see any good argument for only AT&T being allowed to carry the iPhone.

Is any software ever really finished? Doesn't new improved versions come out all the time? Android 2.0.1 is very stable and solid on my phone and when 2.1 comes it will only get better. Apple improves their software and adds features as well. All software is a work in progress.
 
Droid Trumps iPhone for TIME's Gadget of the Year (2009)

R.I.P iPhone

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1945379_1944278_1944280,00.html

Like Time's coronation is supposed to mean anything? For Droid or iPhone for that matter! What did you expect, iPhone Time's Gadget of the Year, 2007... 2008... 2009... 2010... 2011... 2012... 2013... 2014... 2015... (get the picture). Sure something new has come along. Time has to keep it's rag fresh... Heck, even Hitler made the front cover as Time's Man of the 1938 way back when...

To be on Time's list is nice, but is about as useful as being on the cover of the "Rolling Stone" magazine or Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize... MEANINGLESS! :cool:
 
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KnightWRX said:
Here goes WS again. Surveys to show android catching up. BS I say.

Only retards would choose JAVA over native OSX. Well Barnum did say a sucker is born every minute.

How does Java compete with Native OS X ? Or do you mean Dalvik vs UIKit ? Or do you mean Java the language vs Objective-C ?

Java the language, combined with the Dalvik VM and the Android frameworks is a very good platform.

Don't confuse this with J2ME, J2EE or J2SE, Sun's VM and frameworks. Android doesn't use those. But you do know all of this since you are criticizing it. You wouldn't talk about things you have no clue about on a tech forum where you would be instantly corrected for such a glaring oversight right ? :rolleyes:

Great post, especially as their arguement had no basis apart from people being simply "retards".....

What an eloquent way to get your point across.
 
I own an iPhone. It's either sitting on top of a bookshelf next to my computer desk at home or it's in a drawer. Frankly, I can't remember. I really hated it as a phone. I even hated it more as an attachment to my corporate mail, especially when it started going into loops where it would mail the exact same mail out 40 times.

Windows mobile left me cold. Didn't care for it either.

I've since switched to Android. Previously, I was using the HTC G1 and now I'm using the Motorola CLIQ. Both have tactile keyboards, which to my calloused hands are very preferable to soft keyboards on a touchscreen. If I want to use a touchscreen keyboard, there is one of those as well.

I can load music and video to the phone via any number of methods. I can either mount the SD media (no SD media on iPhone) as a hard disk and just copy the files in, or whatever. I'm not tied to iTunes in order to manage my cellphone.

It's also nice to be able to do over-the-air upgrades to the primary OS. I wake up in the morning and it asks me if I want to upgrade the phone and take the 5-10 minute outage while it does its thing. I'll let it upgrade while I shower. I don't have to boot my laptop, hook up with iTunes, download a bunch of stuff over whatever crappy internet connection I have (I travel 75-80% for work), and then load it to my phone.

And ultimately, my Android phone has never sent the same e-mail to anyone at work 40 times. Maybe I'm the only person who ever had that happen with an iPhone, but once was far more than embarassing enough. :)

So, Android is not for everyone, but then iPhone is not for everyone either. I love my MacBook Pro - it's perfect for working with network equipment, but I'm not going to love the iPhone just because it's an Apple product. ;-)
 
The mobile OS wars are a replay of the desktop OS wars. OSX mobile is playing the role of OSX and capturing the high end of the market and those that prefer a walled garden approach to hardware and service providers.

android is playing the role of windows. Customizable. Easy to license and it will be absolutely everywhere in a few years.

Agreed. At the end of the war there will be only 2 or 3 mobile OSs on the market, as it is for desktops (Windows/OSX/Linux). Which ones ? The smartphone market is still quickly expanding, so maybe it is too early to know. Don't underestimate the power of Microsoft. If they think it is a strategic market, they can put a lot of money in the development of a new OS.
 
I guess this is a good example of viewing data in a light most favorable to Apple. It's obvious there isn't market saturation when it comes to smart phones, especially worldwide. As such, the fact that more phones are being sold doesn't change the fact that Apple may be losing momentum. After all, the iPhone is starting to appear boring.

I agree with this. For example Nokia has sold quarter after quarter more smartphones than it has ever before and still gets all doom and gloom even with little less than 40% worldwide marketshare. Why? Because the competition grows faster... Why the same doesn't apply to Apple? Switching between the most favourable metric ATM seems like way to go for some.
 
Say what you will. A VM is still a VM and is still a memory hog. Dalvik or not only a retard would choose this platform over OSX.
 
Say what you will. A VM is still a VM and is still a memory hog. Dalvik or not only a retard would choose this platform over OSX.

Except Dalvik is not a memory hog and compiles the java bytecode to machine code before execution.

Not to mention Google has a NDK out (Native code) that uses C++ to write application that require more direct machine access.

Please stop now.
 
Someone said Apple needs to up it game. NOT!
Android is a 3rd party OS being adopted by almost every cell phone vendors out there while the iphone OS is Apple's exclusive, built from the ground up OS not used by anyone else. Also, keep in mind that there are many phones competing against each other using Android.And they will fight to the finish for that market share. Meanwhile Google will tout the idea along with wall street that all them Android phones represent just ONE phone competing against iphone.
THAT IS A BIG FAT LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Google doesn't pay for Nokie,LG, Sony E etc hardware.
Putting out a 3rd party OS is easy and watching it get adopted is awesome.
But Apple pays for their OS and the hardware. A riskier endeavor,IMHO, that should be rewarded far more than Google's business of digitally pimping out an OS to cell phone vendors.

Look at the fanboi squeal. I doubt that he has anything to do with Wall Street and yet he talks as if his speculation is a fact.

Likewise the comment about paying for their OS and hardware. The iPhone strategy is similar to the Mac strategy in that it appeals to the high end. Its much less risky to charge high markups from those with cash to burn than it is to support a wide variety of phones and make money from advertising. That is why Apple were able to turn a profit and announce their best sales ever in the midst of a recession.
 
Agreed. At the end of the war there will be only 2 or 3 mobile OSs on the market, as it is for desktops (Windows/OSX/Linux). Which ones ? The smartphone market is still quickly expanding, so maybe it is too early to know. Don't underestimate the power of Microsoft. If they think it is a strategic market, they can put a lot of money in the development of a new OS.

I left MS out of my post, but they are Linux if we are comparing the current mobile OS wars to the old desktop OS wars. :)

If money were enough to make a great mobile OS they would have done it already. You need vision, leadership and the right talent. MS has none of these. Palm does and they managed to make a whole new OS in a few years with a tiny fraction of the resources MS has. Unfortunately for Palm, they are a small fish in this game and wont last.
 
Sadly...my dad wants a smartphone (until now was Blackberry or iPhone) asap...has been waiting for months as the talks about iPhone going to Verizon seem to come and go in both mainstream media and sites like MR. So he's grabbing an Android this month because the latest "word" is that iPhone may go to Verizon in June 2010.

I've been telling him to try and hold out but I see where he's coming from...he's waited long enough and 6+ months from now is too much more time to hold his breath.

Too bad...I bet a lot of people (like my dad) just won't go to ATT.

-Eric

I am one that won't go to them either. I want an iPhone. I am waiting to see if it comes to Verizon this year. If not, I will start to seriously consider the Google phone. Just how many more iPhones could Apple sell if they had multiple carriers...? I know I would like to know just from a curiosity standpoint.
 
I own an iPhone. It's either sitting on top of a bookshelf next to my computer desk at home or it's in a drawer. Frankly, I can't remember. I really hated it as a phone. I even hated it more as an attachment to my corporate mail, especially when it started going into loops where it would mail the exact same mail out 40 times.

.........

And ultimately, my Android phone has never sent the same e-mail to anyone at work 40 times. Maybe I'm the only person who ever had that happen with an iPhone, but once was far more than embarassing enough. :)
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I have never heard of this. It does not mean that it has not happened to other people. Are you sure this was due to the phone itself. Could it have been something with your work e-mail servers...? Is your phone jail broken...?
 
Google Android is the 2nd best smartphone.

In order of the greatest smartphone:

1. iPhone
2. Android
3. Blackberry
4. HTC
5. LG
 
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