Android leader Motorola still well behind Apple's iPhone

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  1. JustinSaneV2 macrumors 6502

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    http://www.appleinsider.com/article...motorola_still_well_behind_apples_iphone.html
     
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  3. thatoneguy92088 macrumors member

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    Isn't that kind of the end of the razr era where everyone and their brother wanted a razr? Regardless, Motorola makes crap ie my cablebox and my original original iPhone, the ROKR E1.
     
  4. ToroidalZeus macrumors 68020

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    Yep, the iPhone basically stole the razrs (and sidekicks) hype.
     
  5. JustinSaneV2 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Because the iPhone made people start to realize how much RAZRs really sucked [​IMG]
     
  6. Phi4sius macrumors newbie

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    And now the iPhone 4 is helping people realize how much the Android really sucks. :D :D :p :p
     
  7. intervenient macrumors 6502a

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    How exactly does Android suck again?
     
  8. thetexan macrumors 6502a

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    Only insecure fanboys think it sucks. Really both the Android and the iOS have some strengths and weaknesses if you want to get down to it. I'd say overall both are equals.
     
  9. JustinSaneV2 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Except it doesn't.
     
  10. ToroidalZeus macrumors 68020

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    Fixed.
     
  11. samcraig macrumors P6

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    It's amusing to read all these threads. I find it amusing that people are either insecure or "something" that requires them to make sure they post anything negative about another company who makes handsets. As if it will make them feel superior for owning an iPhone or justify their ownership.

    If you own an Apple computer - do you care that you're in the minority (except here)? Why is it ok to be in the minority there but you want to be in the majority with the iPhone?

    The mind hurdles you have to go through is boggling LOL. It's as if it's being rationalized by "Ha - I own the best phone in the market and every phone is inferior" and then "Ha - I am in the minority who knows how much better the Mac is to the PC"

    For everyone who thinks that way - I am sure there's someone who says "HA - I am in the minority of the people who know that an Android phone is the best and HA! I own the most popular computing platform on the planet"

    yawn.
     
  12. TruckdriverSean macrumors 6502a

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    Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_0_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Mobile/8A306 Safari/6531.22.7)

    I don't think this article supports the argument over which mobile OS is better, so much as it points out a fact that most people don't get when thinking about Apple.

    Their REAL competition is with Dell, HP, Motorola, HTC, etc, NOT Microsoft, Google. Apple is a hardware company.

    And to add onto what was posted about minority/majority market share, I think Apple and the iPhone will inevitably be in the "minority" (compared to Android which will be the "Windows" of mobile OS's) considering the parallel to Mac sales & current profits, I'm betting Apple Inc. will be just fine with that. After all, they "lost" the desktop OS battle, yet turned their "defeat" into one of the most profitable tech companies we've yet seen.
     
  13. Tarzanman macrumors 65816

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    Actually, the iPhone and music store are what bring in the cash for apple nowadays.

    They will lose market share with the iPhone (it is inevitable with all the competition coming out), which is why they are looking for more revenue streams (iPads, more carriers for the iPhone).
     
  14. bhattsan macrumors member

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    Isn't Android's strength in number of manufacturers? I'm sure HTC had great sales too (according to article 3-4 mil). This also doesn't include Samsung, etc. The one thing I don't like about my iPhone 4? All my (paid) apps are tied to this/apple's platform whereas with android phones you can jump to other phones/carriers without worrying about said fact. Hope competition forces all manufacturers to make great phones! :D
     
  15. maturola macrumors 68040

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    I think the fact that a very obvious struggling company with a straight declining, got it almost flat for the last 3 quarters is actually pretty good.
     
  16. TruckdriverSean macrumors 6502a

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    Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_0_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Mobile/8A306 Safari/6531.22.7)

    I'll give you a half credit on the first part. While the iPhone (hardware) is extremely profitable for Apple, the profit from iTunes and the AppStore is minuscule in comparison. iAds may prove different, but that's hard to tell. And getting back to hardware, profit from iMacs and iPads is very nice indeed.

    As for marketshare, let's think about that for a moment. What's Apple's marketshare now? 70%? 80%? Nope. It's more like 28% according to a recent (June 2010) poll. And that's US smartphone owners only. Worldwide, their marketshare would be far less.

    And yet, PROFITABLE they remain.

    So I don't think it's a question of Apple being a majority market company. They're never going to get past 1/3rd of the market, and I don't see Apple Inc. getting bothered over that fact, as long as "that" 1/5th or 1/3rd, remains the most profitable 1/5th or 1/3rd.

    Hardware company. Profitshare before marketshare.
     
  17. Tarzanman macrumors 65816

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    What's your point? No one was talking about profit until you brought it up. Plenty of companies turn good profits without having the lion's share of the market.

    Maybe you're offended that I said that the iPhone is going to start losing market share to their competitors?

    That's life. The only possible way to stop it is to get the iPhone onto other carriers.

    Cry some more
     
  18. Starrbuck macrumors regular

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    So, in spite of all the different Android models and all the different carriers they are available on, Apple still sells more iPhones. 'Nuff said!
     
  19. maturola macrumors 68040

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    Wrong, they sell more than "Motorola"
     
  20. Starrbuck macrumors regular

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    This thread is about Motorola. I said all the different Android models, meaning all the different ones from Motorola. Please don't read something in to what I wrote that is not there.
     
  21. kenypowa macrumors 6502a

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    HTC sold 5.4 million phones in Q2, 2010, that's up from 2.4M in Q2 2009. That's growth of 125% in just one year. So the real leader of Android is HTC :D
     
  22. TruckdriverSean macrumors 6502a

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    Well, let me clarify.

    For a great many people, the iPhone vs. Android discussion centers on the idea of one product reaching a super majority marketshare and "winning" the race. My point is that "winning" in the mobile OS space is not quite so simple.

    I mention profitability (or as you put it in your earlier post, "bringing in the cash") as an area people give little thought to, yet ultimately determines whether a company will be around to compete with their OS at all. And getting back to where I began earlier, people really don't understand why Apple has been successful in the past, and tend to extend that misunderstanding to the current iPhone vs. TheWorld discussions.

    Cutting to the chase, I believe that smartphones compete with each other on a much more individual basis than people realize, (iPhone vs. Droid X, Galaxy-S vs. Evo 4G, ) rather than as "Android" vs. iPhone This leads people (IMHO) to make incorrect assumptions, whether they are "for" or "against" Apple, Android, Microsoft or whoever.
     
  23. iUser4Lyfe macrumors 6502

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    Agreed. Impressive turn around.
     
  24. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    I have to say the graph and the article are VERY VERY misleading. Motorola has seems to back out of the 'dumb phone' market and more focus on the smart phone market.
    That is going to really hammer the sells of total number of units if they stop selling the junk phones so to speak. Nokia still leads in the throw away market.

    Moto used to offer several dumb phones per carrier and now they are lucky if they offer one. They have seem to focus on smart phones only and smart phones is is a much MUCH smaller market than the 'dumb phone' market.

    They started pulling out in 2007 so yeah it took a noise dive.
     
  25. AZREOSpecialist macrumors 68000

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    Market share will ultimately trump profitability, all things being equal. Many people, including myself, equate iOS vs. Android to the old Microsoft vs. Apple rivalry. However there is one major difference. Google isn't charging OEMs for its operating system. Google is hoping to make money on the ad revenue. The only way for Google not to become marginalized in this battle is to generate a lot of ad revenue. In order to do so, it needs as much market share as possible. Hence Google's strategy of putting Android on as many smartphones as possible.

    At some point, higher profitability and lower unit sales will not be able to sustain an onslaught from lower profitability and higher unit sales. Developers will develop for the platform with the largest market share, which in turn will bring in more advertising revenue. Market share is everything here.

    The problem with Apple is that they can't make enough iPhones. And this is for a single carrier! Imagine Apple selling iPhones on Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint? Apple would need to triple its production volume or put people on a 6 month waiting list.
     

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