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I am old enough to remember that for some time you could only send text messages (SMS) within network… well, little by little we’ll get to some level of true interoperability, the market is cooling down.

I forgot all about that! SMS was free when I got my first cell phone, but I could only send them to people on the same network. Bell South/Cingular was the only option around me at the time, so everyone I knew had it. SMS are free now in the US, of course, but for a while it cost like $30/month for unlimited texting.

Interoperability between companies, devices, and ecosystems is wonderful! I despise proprietary systems.
 
Same user can send you the document by email, messages or the cloud. Iphone user can send you the document. If you need the document this is a convenience.
That’s the point, the USER is not a new attack vector, it’s the same very effective one that’s always been. Doesn’t matter what tool they’re using, doesn’t matter how much secure tech anyone puts behind it, USER can defeat any protections.
 
Apple has to adopt the new Wi-Fi Standards that they gave to the Wi Fi Alliance. 😀
Apple is part of Wifi Alliance and as a member they propose features to be adopted by the whole members of Wifi Alliance. Apple offered AWDL as the standard but it got rejected instead they used that as a basis to form NAN which Apple contributed to.

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Here is Apple making the argument that just because they propose something to Wifi Alliance doesn't mean that it would get adopted.

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I give that story credit in that it does reference how Apple was behind USB-C AND Wi-Fi Direct. But, because they had to follow their “Apple was forced” line, they bring up USB-C as an example which was implemented on Apple’s decade timeline. 😋
They were forced to.

On 5 September 2023, the Commission adopted a decision designating Apple as a gatekeeper under
the Digital Markets Act (DMA) for a number of its services, including its operating system iOS.
As a result, Apple must comply with the obligations set out in the DMA.

On 19 September 2024, the Commission opened proceedings pursuant to Article 20(1) of the DMA
in view of specifying the measures Apple must put in place to effectively comply with its
interoperability obligations in relation to several connectivity features, predominantly used for and
by connected devices.

On 18 December 2024, the Commission adopted its preliminary findings setting out the proposed
measures that Apple should implement to ensure effective interoperability with iOS for connected
devices.

In response, Apple themselves proposed that they will make Wifi Aware available to 3rd party developers as an alternative

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Airdrop does not use Wifi Aware, Airdrop uses AWDL which is proprietary and patented by Apple. Google reverse engineered the protocol which is legal and that is how they are able Airdrop from Pixels to iPhones and Macs that do not have support for Wifi Aware.
 
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Dang. This and iMessage are the main two things keeping me from switching back to Android.
I agree, sort of. Well, airdrop I don't really need, but iMessage is one reason I don't get iPhones for my kids. Another reason is price.

My kids and their friends use apps like Snapchat, everyone can join in and no-one is excluded. I'm not saying Snapchat is great, I prefer not to use it myself, but imessage is both lock in and lock out.
 
Apple, Google and MS need to develop a predictable standard they all agree one that’s under singular branding such as “AirDrop” or similar using the same term across all companies. This standard for short range sharing should be a menu option and also pop-up automatically when devices are brought very close together with a sharing list of options for different types of media, prioritising at the top of the list the app that’s currently on-screen, say Comtacts to be able to share you personal content in a single tap, with the other user able to accept on the other side with a simple tap.

This way, if a person is looking at something on their phone like a video, a song, a website, a photo or anything else, the other user can ask them to share it and all it takes is bringing the devices close and one tap, with automatic authentication happening via face or fingerprint.

The second option in the list could be “Send cash” as a quick way to give another device user (any device) a few quid as easily as passing them physical cash.
This is what the EU is striving for, but some diehards on here think that using anything but an apple device on iOS 18 or earlier will kill you.
 
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Good. Wish Samsung phones and others too will have this feature in the near future.
I think google's long term ambition is for every Android to be able to share. Apple just needs to let contacts easily share from Android, instead of having to set it to everyone.
 
Apple is part of Wifi Alliance and as a member they propose features to be adopted by the whole members of Wifi Alliance. Apple offered AWDL as the standard but it got rejected instead they used that as a basis to form NAN which Apple contributed to.

AsVVX9S.png


Here is Apple making the argument that just because they propose something to Wifi Alliance doesn't mean that it would get adopted.

B3LEZri.png


They were forced to.

On 5 September 2023, the Commission adopted a decision designating Apple as a gatekeeper under
the Digital Markets Act (DMA) for a number of its services, including its operating system iOS.
As a result, Apple must comply with the obligations set out in the DMA.

On 19 September 2024, the Commission opened proceedings pursuant to Article 20(1) of the DMA
in view of specifying the measures Apple must put in place to effectively comply with its
interoperability obligations in relation to several connectivity features, predominantly used for and
by connected devices.

On 18 December 2024, the Commission adopted its preliminary findings setting out the proposed
measures that Apple should implement to ensure effective interoperability with iOS for connected
devices.

In response, Apple themselves proposed that they will make Wifi Aware available to 3rd party developers as an alternative

XTQiNpp.png


Mk2Iq3p.png


Airdrop does not use Wifi Aware, Airdrop uses AWDL which is proprietary and patented by Apple. Google reverse engineered the protocol which is legal and that is how they are able Airdrop from Pixels to iPhones and Macs that do not have support for Wifi Aware.
Reverse engineering IS legal, but theoretically Apple could update the protocol.
 
It’s absurd that this is news in 2026. When you have a couple people with various different smartphones they still can’t quickly and easily share files/photos with each other. How many more years is it going to take until this Just Works? We have all the tech progress with AI and whatnot but unless you both got an iPhone or someone has specifically a Pixel the only choices are to share to a cloud service or add strangers on personal messaging services.
 
This is great. Now if it could just be supported between the Mac sitting right in front of me and my iPhone I would really love that. One computer no problem. The other....once every 5 tries.
 
It’s absurd that this is news in 2026. When you have a couple people with various different smartphones they still can’t quickly and easily share files/photos with each other. How many more years is it going to take until this Just Works? We have all the tech progress with AI and whatnot but unless you both got an iPhone or someone has specifically a Pixel the only choices are to share to a cloud service or add strangers on personal messaging services.
It’s also absurd in 2026 a win32 program can’t run on Linux natively. Lots of things that seem like it would be a no-brainer in tech are head scratchers.
 
My user experience is much better on android tbh. navigation is so much better, the keyboard, and notification management is miles ahead. Not to mention compatibility with non Apple devices from different manufacturers.
I defeated the many shortcomings of having an iPhone to connect to Other-than-Apple-systems by using documents, vlc and LocalSend for that. Especially with vlc and documents I can use my iPhone just like an USB-stick or an Android device when visiting friends not using Apple devices.
It’s also absurd in 2026 a win32 program can’t run on Linux natively. Lots of things that seem like it would be a no-brainer in tech are head scratchers.
Never heard of wine or playOnLinux? Meanwhile a lot of Windows programs run natively on Linux. Just take a look at for example ZorinOS, which comes with a plethora of tools for running Windows programs natively. That's only one of the many advantages running an open system! 😉
 
I defeated the many shortcomings of having an iPhone to connect to Other-than-Apple-systems by using documents, vlc and LocalSend for that. Especially with vlc and documents I can use my iPhone just like an USB-stick or an Android device when visiting friends not using Apple devices.

Never heard of wine or playOnLinux? Meanwhile a lot of Windows programs run natively on Linux. Just take a look at for example ZorinOS, which comes with a plethora of tools for running Windows programs natively. That's only one of the many advantages running an open system! 😉
That’s not native. Emulators / code modifiers etc aren’t native, they are add-ons.
 
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Reverse engineering IS legal, but theoretically Apple could update the protocol.
Especially since, instead of adopting the open Wi-Fi Direct, they just reverse engineered Apple’s stack. Apple’s free to change it at any time (and Google’s free to throw money at it to make it work again!).
 
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Especially since, instead of adopting the open Wi-Fi Direct, they just reverse engineered Apple’s stack.
You're mixing up the protocols. Wi-Fi Direct predates AWDL, and Android has supported it since version 4.1. iOS, however does not support* it. AirDrop uses Apple's AWDL proprietary protocol. Because Apple explicitly kept these protocols completely undocumented for third party use, reverse engineering is literally the only way to make non Apple hardware support Airdrop and Airplay.
Apple’s free to change it at any time (and Google’s free to throw money at it to make it work again!).
First, AWDL was reverse engineered 7 years ago, and Apple hasn't completely changed it because doing so would instantly break backward compatibility for millions of existing Macs and iOS devices. There are open source implementations of AWDL that anyone can use if you are on Linux.

Second, under the new EU DMA regulations, Apple is no longer "free" to arbitrarily break third party interoperability. The EU legally mandates that Apple must provide "effective interoperability with any future updates, including new functionalities, of the P2P Wi-Fi connection feature, including with future functionalities of AWDL". If Apple updates their protocol, they are required by law to make those updates available to third parties at the exact same time.
 
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