Android Tops 50%, iOS Hits 30% in U.S. Smartphone Installed User Base

[bpaluzzi]

Sure we do. 400 vs 365 million. Both companies boasting their biggest inflated number possible without having to "lie" (since they're publicaly traded, they can only inflate through accounting magic, Google just happens to have Inflate 5 to Apple's current Inflate 4 magic).

Beyond that, you shouldn't care, nor should I or anyone else. It's just not something that's important.

400 million activations vs. 365 million devices sold.

Apples to oranges (no pun intended)

And this
"Google just happens to have Inflate 5 to Apple's current Inflate 4 magic"

Is brilliant 🙂

 

[Oletros]

Are you for real? Read Andy Rubin's quote again. Slowly.

I give up, I can't fight against such blindness

 

[bpaluzzi]

I give up, I can't fight against such blindness

You're either trolling, or your English is much worse than it appears* from your posting.

Andy Rubin said absolutely nothing about Google Play, or any Google services being used to count activations. Nothing. Not a single thing. He said that they use subscriptions to wireless networks.


(*Still much better than my Spanish, of course 🙂)

 

[Bezetos]

What do you think that I was wrong about? Or is "derp derp derp" the most cohesive argument that you are going to put together?

I'm just saying, stop trying reeeally hard to prove that Apple is better anyway, since all Apple fanatics seem upset about it for no reason

Apple makes more profits that the entire Android ecosystem.

That is correct, Apple is a money making machine.

Apple keeps more control of their devices from carriers and leverages a higher subsidy.

O RLY? So you're telling me, say, Apple didn't let carriers chose whether I can tether or not?

There are more and better quality developers for iOS than Android.
There are more and better quality apps for iOS than Android.

Not really mate. There are a lot of amazing apps on Android that simply can't be developed for iPhones because of how restrictive iOS is. Most great iOS apps have an Android equivalent.
Seriously, there are so many great Android apps that I would love to have on an iPhone.

There are more and better quality accessories for the iPhone than Android phones.

More? Hardly. Better? That's your opinion.

Most iOS users use iMessage (and Facetime to a lesser extent). Android users are split between many different messaging systems.

This is quite stupid and ironic considering that iPhones didn't have MMS at the beginning. Why is this stupid? Because iMessage can only be used between iPhone users. You still need to use a different messaging systems to communicate with the rest of the world. Oh, and the equivalent of iMessage is Google Talk, you know, something that appeared way earlier than iMessage?

iOS devices have better integration with more cars and home entertainment systems.

Haha, don't make me laugh. There is a limited number of bluetooth headphones that work with iPhones. Android devices communication methods are based on standards that anyone can work with. iOS is more restrictive.

None of these statements are controversial (except maybe the iMessage one?). And none of them require me to be a developer to understand.

See, if you were a developer maybe you wouldn't embarrass yourself like this.

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I wish 🙂 Read his above post. He's steadfast in saying that Andy Rubin was wrong, and he knows the truth.

Sorry, where did Google say that they are using Google Play updates as an activation metric? I think I've missed that.

 

[KnightWRX]

400 million activations vs. 365 million devices sold.

Apples to oranges (no pun intended)

400 million activated at one point in time, counted once only (and to be activated, they had to be sold uh ?). Some of which could be in a drawer or in a landfill somewhere.

vs

365 million devices sold, but maybe sitting in a drawer or in a landfill somewhere.

So essentially, you're saying Google might have sold even more, they just haven't been activated yet. 😉 On the other hand, Apple brought their best, SOLD devices, counting even channel and inventory in stores (since those are sold from Apple to distributors/retailers).

It's even worse than I thought, Google has Inflate 6, they just lacked the MP to use it!

I'm throwing my iPhone 4S in the garbage. It's useless now that Apple isn't #1. Frankly, genuinely 100% useless. Infinity Blade II doesn't even launch on it anymore.

 

[bpaluzzi]

Sorry, where did Google say that they are using Google Play updates as an activation metric? I think I've missed that.

Exactly. They've never said that 🙂

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400 million activated at one point in time, counted once only (and to be activated, they had to be sold uh ?). Some of which could be in a drawer or in a landfill somewhere.

vs

365 million devices sold, but maybe sitting in a drawer or in a landfill somewhere.

So essentially, you're saying Google might have sold even more, they just haven't been activated yet. 😉

It's even worse than I thought, Google has Inflate 6, they just lacked the MP to use it!

Except that a phone is re-activated when it's re-sold. And since it's reactivated through a carrier, it's a "countable" number. Again, not saying that they ARE using those numbers, but they could.

As with most statistics, nothing is ever as clear as it looks at first blush.

 

[Oletros]

You're either trolling, or your English is much worse than it appears* from your posting.

Andy Rubin said absolutely nothing about Google Play, or any Google services being used to count activations. Nothing. Not a single thing. He said that they use subscriptions to wireless networks.


(*Still much better than my Spanish, of course 🙂)

Rubin hasn't said in THAT Google+ entry. Google and Andy Rubin have stated many times that the only way they have to count acvtivation is through google services

 

[KnightWRX]

Except that a phone is re-activated when it's re-sold. And since it's reactivated through a carrier, it's a "countable" number. Again, not saying that they ARE using those numbers, but they could.

Except in your very own quote, Andy clearly says that isn't the case. So you proved yourself that this isn't true, why do you keep bringing it out ? You're contradicting your own quote here...

Ah, I see, you're using Inflate 1 on your post count. 😱 Pfff... Feel the wrath of my Inflate X, backed by the "Double Cast" materia.

 

[Oletros]

Exactly. They've never said that 🙂

Sarcasm detector broken?

Except that a phone is re-activated when it's re-sold.

FALSE

 

[bpaluzzi]

Except in your very own quote, Andy clearly says that isn't the case. So you proved yourself that this isn't true, why do you keep bringing it out ? You're contradicting your own quote here...

Ah, I see, you're using Inflate 1 on your post count. 😱 Pfff... Feel the wrath of my Inflate X, backed by the "Double Cast" materia.

Aaaargh. I feel like we're going in circles here (not just with you -- it's just that all 5 people in this discussion keep missing the same thing).

Andy Rubin has clarified in the past that they don't re-count activations. For example, his quote from 2011, which came out when the comScore rankings for that 3-month period came out.

For this latest batch of numbers, there has been NO clarification of the method they used for activations. With this same batch of numbers, they've shown 300% year-on-year growth. Does that mean that they've definitely changed their method for counting? Of course not, it could just be due to the monumental growth in the smartphone industry.

Or, it could be that they've changed their counting. It smells funny to me. That's all.

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Sarcasm detector broken?



FALSE

What are you talking about? Seriously. You're not making any sense. Can you stop with the snark and sarcasm and make your point in a clear fashion?

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Rubin hasn't said in THAT Google+ entry. Google and Andy Rubin have stated many times that the only way they have to count acvtivation is through google services

Cool, can you provide one example of him saying that? Or explain his quote that they're using something totally different than that to count activations? Clearly it's not "the only way they have", eh?

 

[KnightWRX]

FALSE

It's not false, a phone can be re-activated if it is resold. It's just not counted though :

http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/27/2...roid-activations-a-day-300m-total-devices-12m

Also, you're right in saying "non-Google service using devices" such as Chinese knock-offs or Kindle Fire or anything not using Google Play isn't counted. Andy also confirmed that :

That's according to Andy Rubin, who clarified the numbers in a meeting with reporters earlier today: he said that Google only counts activations once per device ID and doesn't "chop things up" when users reset or sell their phones. Devices like the Kindle Fire that don't include Google services aren't included in the numbers

So essentially, bpaluzzi is just dragging you into an endless battle of pure hot air. He has no leg to stand on and he's blowing things to importance levels that just aren't warranted.

As an iOS users : I don't give a flying crap how many Android devices are out there. Grats to Google on being #1. Enjoy it. I'll enjoy my iPhone.

 

[bpaluzzi]

It's not false, a phone can be re-activated if it is resold. It's just not counted though :

http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/27/2...roid-activations-a-day-300m-total-devices-12m

Also, you're right in saying "non-Google service using devices" such as Chinese knock-offs or Kindle Fire or anything not using Google Play isn't counted. Andy also confirmed that :

That's another example from a previous numbers report. Again, if someone can find a similar response for this latest round of numbers, then all conjecture goes out the window.

 

[KnightWRX]

Aaaargh. I feel like we're going in circles here

...

Or, it could be that they've changed their counting. It smells funny to me. That's all.

They didn't. They just sell a lot more devices than they previously did. Why does it smell funny ? Why doesn't Apple's claim smell funny then ? Who really gives a crap ?

Again, the only reason you're going around in circles is that you're trying to reach a piddly 1000 posts. You're way behind most posters on this forum, you're not stacking up. 😉

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That's another example from a previous numbers report. Again, if someone can find a similar response for this latest round of numbers, then all conjecture goes out the window.

That quote is from 2012... 4 months ago... Is there any reason you think the method changed ? The growth seems normal to me in those 4 months.

 

[bpaluzzi]

They didn't. They just sell a lot more devices than they previously did. Why does it smell funny ? Why doesn't Apple's claim smell funny then ? Who really gives a crap ?

It smells because, as you noted, they've been extremely open at all previous numbers reports, clarifying exactly what they mean with their numbers. Nothing of the sort (that I've seen) for these ones. That coupled with by far their biggest growth in history raises a red flag.

Again, the only reason you're going around in circles is that you're trying to reach a piddly 1000 posts. You're way behind most posters on this forum, you're not stacking up. 😉

Ah, you've rumbled me!

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That quote is from 2012... 4 months ago... Is there any reason you think the method changed ? The growth seems normal to me in those 4 months.

Numbers come out quarterly. That's from last quarter's numbers, not the 400 million just reported.

 

[Rennir]

The data showing Safari mobile with a commanding lead in mobile browser percentage(1), kind of supports the theory that the numbers cited here are inflated by the hundreds of models of free android throwaway phones.

1: (http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/04/internet-explorer-market-share-surges-as-version-9-wins-hearts-and-minds.ars)

Not necessarily because remember Android is all about customization. People are using Dolphin, Firefox, Chrome--you get the point.

 

[Bezetos]

The data showing Safari mobile with a commanding lead in mobile browser percentage(1), kind of supports the theory that the numbers cited here are inflated by the hundreds of models of free android throwaway phones.

1: (http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/04/internet-explorer-market-share-surges-as-version-9-wins-hearts-and-minds.ars)

Read the last statistic:

At Ars, however, Chrome and Android are dominant.

 

[BaldiMac]

Sure we do. 400 vs 365 million. Both companies boasting their biggest inflated number possible without having to "lie" (since they're publicaly traded, they can only inflate through accounting magic, Google just happens to have Inflate 5 to Apple's current Inflate 4 magic).

Beyond that, you shouldn't care, nor should I or anyone else. It's just not something that's important.

Also, I assume the 400 million Android activations only includes Android devices with Google services. Google would have no way to track Kindle Fire activations, for example.

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Read the last statistic:

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At Ars, however, Chrome and Android are dominant.

What's your point? That only includes visitors to Ars. 😕

From the same article
Worldwide mobile browser share for March 2012:
Safari Mobile: 60.54%
Android Browser: 15.39%

 

[KnightWRX]

It smells because, as you noted, they've been extremely open at all previous numbers reports, clarifying exactly what they mean with their numbers. Nothing of the sort (that I've seen) for these ones. That coupled with by far their biggest growth in history raises a red flag.
Numbers come out quarterly.

That's from last quarter's numbers, not the 400 million just reported.

They're open with all the previous reports because everytime a journalist asks them again how they count the numbers. What makes you think asking them yet again would yield a different answer ? The answer has always been the same ever since they started giving out activation information : "Official, Google service using devices, IDs counted when activated the first time only". It's always been what they said.

What makes you think it's changed now ? It was 850k/day activations last quarter when they last told us how, not it's 1,000k/day activations. That's only a growth of about 17.5%, what's so surprising about that ? The smartphone/tablet market probably grew that much.

Nope, really, you're just worried about nothing important, paranoid about things that just don't matter and aren't outside the realm of possibility at all. You're posting here to post, arguing to argue, trying to get that 1000th post on your post count.

Last reply from me on this subject. You've been shown wrong at every turn.

 

[Bezetos]

What's your point? That only includes visitors to Ars. 😕

From the same article
Worldwide mobile browser share for March 2012:
Safari Mobile: 60.54%
Android Browser: 15.39%

My point is that many different organisations have their own stats (they measure them differently), and the one from Ars points at something completely different. Yes, it's visits to Ars Technica, but Net Market Share also measures visits to certain sites, not absolute global internet traffic (which is impossible to measure).

EDIT: And just so it doesn't seem I'm talking bullocks, here's another stat that shows a completely different story: http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_browser-ww-monthly-201105-201205

 

[bpaluzzi]

They're open with all the previous reports because everytime a journalist asks them again how they count the numbers. What makes you think asking them yet again would yield a different answer ? The answer has always been the same ever since they started giving out activation information : "Official, Google service using devices, IDs counted when activated the first time only". It's always been what they said.

What makes you think it's changed now ? It was 850k/day activations last quarter when they last told us how, not it's 1,000k/day activations. That's only a growth of about 17.5%, what's so surprising about that ? The smartphone/tablet market probably grew that much.

Nope, really, you're just worried about nothing important, paranoid about things that just don't matter and aren't outside the realm of possibility at all. You're posting here to post, arguing to argue, trying to get that 1000th post on your post count.

Last reply from me on this subject. You've been shown wrong at every turn.

I've been shown wrong in NOTHING. I've been very open about where I'm making assumptions. It stinks, in my opinion.

And it's NOT google services. It's network activations, as stated directly from Andy Rubin.

And the post count thing... are you serious about that? Jesus, I thought you were making fun of the idiots on here that care about stupid stuff like that.

 

[BaldiMac]

My point is that many different organisations have their own stats (they measure them differently), and the one from Ars points at something completely different. Yes, it's visits to Ars Technica, but Net Market Share also measures visits to certain sites, not absolute global internet traffic (which is impossible to measure).

Net Market Share uses data from 40,000 sites and 160 million unique visits. The Ars data is for one site. It's rather disingenuous of you to imply that the Ars data is anywhere near the accuracy of Net Market Share as a reflection of Worldwide mobile browser share.

 

[Bezetos]

Net Market Share uses data from 40,000 sites and 160 million unique visits. The Ars data is for one site. It's rather disingenuous of you to imply that the Ars data is anywhere near the accuracy of Net Market Share as a reflection of Worldwide mobile browser share.

I've edited my previous post after you've replied:

Here's another stat that shows a completely different story: http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_br...-201105-201205

 

[birdhouse1575]

[Outside the battle between the Android fans and the butthappy iPhone users]

Let us watch Symbian's percentage increase.

😛

 

[Oletros]

I've been shown wrong in NOTHING.

If you're happier thinking that, well, be happy thinking Google lies, it won't change reality.

AS Knight, last post, it is uselesss arguing with someone that is selfconvinced

 

[bpaluzzi]

If you're happier thinking that, well, be happy thinking Google lies, it won't change reality.

AS Knight, last post, it is uselesss arguing with someone that is selfconvinced

Still waiting on a shred of proof from you. You do realize that you're still saying that Google said the exact opposite of what they actually said, right?