Android Tops 50%, iOS Hits 30% in U.S. Smartphone Installed User Base

[Oletros]

Why stop now?

Because it has been clarified many times.

Really, you needed to point out that me saying that "something smells wrong to me" is an opinion? And MG Siegler's tech crunch piece makes the same argument about the values.

Yap, you and MG Siegler, totally impartial opinions

Have you ever re-activated a 2nd hand phone?

It doesn't count as an Android activation

If only you were correct.
Unless, of course, you know something that Andy Rubin doesn't.
https://plus.google.com/112599748506977857728/posts/Kkjf8oESTZs

Perhaps you should take your advice about speaking when you don't know the facts.

Andy Rubin: "...and for those wondering, we count each device only once (ie, we don't count re-sold devices), and "activations" means you go into a store, buy a device, put it on the network by subscribing to a wireless service."
https://plus.google.com/112599748506977857728/posts/Kkjf8oESTZs

My God, USING Google services. Can you understand it?

A chinese Android without Google services won't count.
A fracking Galaxy SII resold won't count as an activation

 

[bpaluzzi]

False, or do you have any source to back this?

Actually -- I see the disconnect here.

I meant that they're tracked, not that they're necessarily being used by Android for their numbers. When you activate on a carrier, it's something that is reported. I have no idea if Android IS using those numbers.

This is opposed to something like a 2nd-hand Craigslist sale, where there's no paper trail of the sale itself, so no way to track that sale even if they wanted to.

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Because it has been clarified many times.

Again, so why stop now?

Yap, you and MG Siegler, totally impartial opinions

Yup, I'm the one in this discussion being biased. Wow.

It doesn't count as an Android activation

See my other response -- we misunderstood each other. I meant that it's tracked, not that it's necessarily used by Google / Android.

My God, USING Google services. Can you understand it?

Where does Rubin's post say anything about Google services?

 

[Oletros]

Where does Rubin's post say anything about Google services?

In the same place that he says that the sky is blue.

My God, they have said many time what is an activation and how they count them, if you don't know about it, shut up and stop trolling.

 

[bpaluzzi]

In the same place that he says that the sky is blue.

My God, they have said many time what is an activation and how they count them, if you don't know about it, shut up and stop trolling.

You have serious anger issues, mate. And you need to learn how to read critically. I'm saying exactly what Rubin is saying: they count an activation when you activate a cellular contract. You're making conjectures and assumptions with absolutely no proof. That's cool. I do the same thing when I say that it smells like Android is being more lenient in their count of activations. But I present mine as an assumption, and you present your assumption as fact. Calm down.

 

[KnightWRX]

You have serious anger issues, mate. And you need to learn how to read critically. I'm saying exactly what Rubin is saying: they count an activation when you activate a cellular contract.

For a new phone, not a resold phone. Andy is quite clear on that in your quote.

Anyway, who cares ? How many of the 365 sold iOS devices are still in use ? All those iPhone 3Gs and original iPhones that are counted as "sold" are still in use according to you ? All those iPod Touches ?

Both companies can and will inflate the numbers. Google just happens to have an advantage over Apple. In the end, both sold a tremendous amount of devices, both platforms are well established, and what you have and like doesn't become less enjoyable because it's not the device with the #1 installed base number on some Gartner chart somewhere.

Let Apple and Google worry about a couple of million units give or take and their market share competition, just enjoy the device you bought.

 

[bpaluzzi]

For a new phone, not a resold phone. Andy is quite clear on that in your quote.

Definitely -- there's a few streams getting caught up here. This is the old announcement. There's been no such clarification about the current numbers.

The old quote from Rubin was brought up for the people saying that Android has only ever used Google services as their counting metric.

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Anyway, who cares ? How many of the 365 sold iOS devices are still in use ? All those iPhone 3Gs and original iPhones that are counted as "sold" are still in use according to you ? All those iPod Touches ?

Absolutely right, but the same holds for Android devices

Both companies can and will inflate the numbers. Google just happens to have an advantage over Apple. In the end, both sold a tremendous amount of devices, both platforms are well established, and what you have and like doesn't become less enjoyable because it's not the device with the #1 installed base number on some Gartner chart somewhere.

We don't know if Google has the advantage over Apple. That's the whole point.

Let Apple and Google worry about a couple of million units give or take and their market share competition, just enjoy the device you bought.

Agreed =)

 

[Bezetos]

Andy Rubin: "...and for those wondering, we count each device only once (ie, we don't count re-sold devices), and "activations" means you go into a store, buy a device, put it on the network by subscribing to a wireless service."
https://plus.google.com/112599748506977857728/posts/Kkjf8oESTZs

So this supports the argument that 400 million activated devices are actual sold devices, not re-activated ones.

 

[bpaluzzi]

So this supports the argument that 400 million activated devices are actual sold devices, not re-activated ones.

There has been no clarification for this latest round of numbers. This quote is from a previous report in 2011.

 

[Bezetos]

I'm saying exactly what Rubin is saying: they count an activation when you activate a cellular contract.

You're not saying the WHOLE thing. He clearly says: you go to a shop, you buy a device, and then you activate it. It doesn't count second-hand phones bought on eBay.

 

[bpaluzzi]

You're not saying the WHOLE things. He clearly says: you go to a shop, you buy a device, and then you activate it. It doesn't count second-hand phones bought on eBay.

I agree 100% with what you're saying. Read my previous response though This was the clarification that was made on all previous numbers reported by Google. This last set of numbers shows _astronomical_ growth year-on-year, and they've made no such claim about what an "activation" represents. I have no proof _AT ALL_ that they've changed their method for counting. It smells like they might have. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Oletros]

There has been no clarification for this latest round of numbers. This quote is from a previous report in 2011.

Yes, yes, is a conspiration to make Android look bigger than iOS. Now they count Google Play updates as a new activation

 

[Bezetos]

I agree 100% with what you're saying. Read my previous response though This was the clarification that was made on all previous numbers reported by Google. This last set of numbers shows _astronomical_ growth year-on-year, and they've made no such claim about what an "activation" represents. I have no proof _AT ALL_ that they've changed their method for counting. It smells like they might have. That's all I'm saying.

This was mentioned before, there was an astronomical growth in the smartphone market itself. But I'm glad you've clarified it's only a suspicion.

 

[bpaluzzi]

Yes, yes, is a conspiration to make Android look bigger than iOS. Now they count Google Play updates as a new activation

Cool, at last, an answer. Can you provide any proof? Including proof that they don't count re-activated accounts? Or the same user activating on a new phone?

 

[Oletros]

Cool, at last, an answer. Can you provide any proof? Including proof that they don't count re-activated accounts? Or the same user activating on a new phone?

The one that has to prove they're lying or that they have changed is YOU, not me.

It is you the one thinking ins conspiracies, it is you the one thiknking they lie, it is you the one posting wrong facts since the beginning

 

[bpaluzzi]

This was mentioned before, there was an astronomical growth in the smartphone market itself. But I'm glad you've clarified it's only a suspicion.

Oh definitely -- if I wasn't clear about my assumption in all of this, I apologize. I tried to be extremely up front about this just being something that "smells funny". Lack of a statement certainly doesn't indicate the opposite of that statement. But similarly, previous counts being done one way doesn't indicate that that's how they'll always do things.

The point I'm trying to make in all of this is that nobody _really_ knows who is in the lead with marketshare. As kdarling brought up, it's all really a moot point, because this is devices sold throughout time, not currently used devices.

 

[Bezetos]

Cool, at last, an answer. Can you provide any proof? Including proof that they don't count re-activated accounts? Or the same user activating on a new phone?

Sorry mate, but I don't get you.

Andy Rubin has clarified what Google means by activation and how they count them. Now you want some proof that this method has not been changed?

 

[bpaluzzi]

The one that has to prove they're lying or that they have changed is YOU, not me.

It is you the one thinking ins conspiracies, it is you the one thiknking they lie, it is you the one posting wrong facts since the beginning

Wow. You just said that they've changed from using network activations to using Google Services. That's a change. Do you have any reference showing that change?

And again, seriously: anger management therapy.

 

[BaldiMac]

Hehe, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about probably because you're not a developer. Like I've said, just deal with it, stop posting butthurt comments ("The install base is larger but derp derp derp derp...").

What do you think that I was wrong about? Or is "derp derp derp" the most cohesive argument that you are going to put together?

Apple makes more profits that the entire Android ecosystem.
Apple keeps more control of their devices from carriers and leverages a higher subsidy.
There are more and better quality developers for iOS than Android.
There are more and better quality apps for iOS than Android.
There are more and better quality accessories for the iPhone than Android phones.
Most iOS users use iMessage (and Facetime to a lesser extent). Android users are split between many different messaging systems.
iOS devices have better integration with more cars and home entertainment systems.

None of these statements are controversial (except maybe the iMessage one?). And none of them require me to be a developer to understand.

 

[bpaluzzi]

Sorry mate, but I don't get you.

Andy Rubin has clarified what Google means by activation and how they count them. Now you want some proof that this method has not been changed?

"Now they count Google Play updates as a new activation"

That's not at all what Andy Rubin said. That's quite different.

 

[Bezetos]

As kdarling brought up, it's all really a moot point, because this is devices sold throughout time, not currently used devices.

Unfortunately the stats are against you, as current quarterly sales are in favour of Android smartphones. Samsung alone sells more phones than Apple.

 

[Oletros]

You just said that they've changed from using network activations to using Google Services. That's a change. Do you have any reference showing that change?

My God, Google has USED always google services as an activation, they haven't changed NOTHING.

 

[Bezetos]

"Now they count Google Play updates as a new activation"

That's not at all what Andy Rubin said. That's quite different.

Mate, I thought that was sarcasm...

 

[bpaluzzi]

Unfortunately the stats are against you, as current quarterly sales are in favour of Android smartphones. Samsung alone sells more phones than Apple.

Uh. From the article you posted:

"While it's widely agreed that Samsung has surpassed Nokia as the largest seller of cell phones in the world, the Korean company's status as the King of Smartphone sales isn't as clear cut.

Samsung, you see, likes to keep its cell phone sales numbers close to its vest, so those numbers are, at best, educated guesses."

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Mate, I thought that was sarcasm...

I wish Read his above post. He's steadfast in saying that Andy Rubin was wrong, and he knows the truth.

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You just said that they've changed from using network activations to using Google Services. That's a change. Do you have any reference showing that change?

My God, Google has USED always google services as an activation, they haven't changed NOTHING.

Are you for real? Read Andy Rubin's quote again. Slowly.

 

[KnightWRX]

We don't know if Google has the advantage over Apple. That's the whole point.

Sure we do. 400 vs 365 million. Both companies boasting their biggest inflated number possible without having to "lie" (since they're publicaly traded, they can only inflate through accounting magic, Google just happens to have Inflate 5 to Apple's current Inflate 4 magic).

Beyond that, you shouldn't care, nor should I or anyone else. It's just not something that's important.

 

[Oletros]

"Now they count Google Play updates as a new activation"

That's not at all what Andy Rubin said. That's quite different.

You're joking, don't you?