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Android and iOS are both growing. RIM is shrinking, MS hasn't even shown up yet, and Symbian is doomed.

What if it ended up being 60/40 Android vs. Apple? That would not be a tragedy for Apple. They still pull in the lion's share of the money and developers know that. Plus, we're not really looking at iPad and iPod numbers. Just phones. Android's tablet presence will grow, sure, but not to the proportions of the iPad. Not anytime soon at least.
 
Android and iOS are both growing. RIM is shrinking, MS hasn't even shown up yet, and Symbian is doomed.

What if it ended up being 60/40 Android vs. Apple? That would not be a tragedy for Apple. They still pull in the lion's share of the money and developers know that. Plus, we're not really looking at iPad and iPod numbers. Just phones. Android's tablet presence will grow, sure, but not to the proportions of the iPad. Not anytime soon at least.

Apple would be fine with a lower market share except that a lower share means that it may become even lower later. Once you're behind by too much, you'll start to lose users (particularly the sheep).

But these numbers are irrelevant. What matters is the total iOS vs Android usage.
 
I think, money will win in the end. The more money you make from your phone, the more you can put into R&D. The more you spend on development, the better your product.
 
Apple would be fine with a lower market share except that a lower share means that it may become even lower later. Once you're behind by too much, you'll start to lose users (particularly the sheep).

But these numbers are irrelevant. What matters is the total iOS vs Android usage.

That could be true here. But I think Apple is just now coming into its own. I said about a year ago that soon Apple was going to start executing at a level we have never seen before. I think we're starting to see the beginning of that now. And I truly believe if they make an "iPad Mini" that's even more affordable than the iPad 2 and AS affordable or even just a little more expensive than the Kindle Fire, it will pretty much be game over for tablets, just like with iPods.

The iPhone situation is a little trickier to predict, but anecdotally, an awful lot of people I know are switcing to iPhones. Even Android lovers/Apple haters. I have to wonder if the June iPhone 5 launch predictions are true. 4S is enjoying MASSIVE success 6 months after launch, and people are clammoring for an iPhone 5. If they release the iPhone 5 this summer, I think there is going to be an explosion of growth unlike anything we've seen before.

Momentum is on Apple's side right now. Let's hope they use it wisely. (I think they will.)

As a side note, I am DYING for a new iPhone to come out. Planning on buying 2.
 
I said it before and I'll say it again. 2 iPhones =/= 200 Android phones.

Especially considering the fact that Apple actually makes money selling the phones they make.

I just don't see the comparison sorry :/

Edit: It seems I did forget about the 3GS. A $0.99 3 year old phone that is going to be discontinued by the end of the year...And still sells better than most free Android phones.

I agree 2 iPhones =/= 200 Android phones and it shows in the stats. People want variety of form factors, prices, features etc. The variety is absolutely missing in iOS domain and this is why the majority of people prefer Android.

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I think, money will win in the end. The more money you make from your phone, the more you can put into R&D. The more you spend on development, the better your product.

Except... Apple does not spend money on R&D. Samsung Electronics alone outspends Apple in R&D almost by an order of magnitude. Apple spends money on opening new stores.
 
Market share means nothing if you don't make money

The funny thing is Google actually makes more money from iOS then it does from Android. Aw, the irony of it all.

Asymco Android Economics

The best quotes from the article.
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Google also testified that iOS accounts for two thirds of their mobile search revenues
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Android generates $1.70/device/year and thus an Android device with a two year life generates about $3.5 to Google over its life, Apple obtained $576.3 for each iOS device it sold in 2011[4]. The economics of Android are nothing like the economics of iOS.
 
Actually, I'm not so sure Apple really cares that much about marketshare. They won't say, "No, we don't want you using our devices!" but I doubt they're going to do anything necessary to "win" the marketshare metric when they have the majority of the money.

I think they care about as much as they do about their market share as they do in operating systems. Windows has a much better market share than OS X. So what?

Those Android numbers are not just made up of Samsung Galaxy S2 type phones, they are also the base model phones on old versions of the OS with limited features that struggle to run apps. It is not a like-for-like comparison.
 
Asymco Android Economics

The best quotes from the article.
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Google also testified that iOS accounts for two thirds of their mobile search revenues
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Android generates $1.70/device/year and thus an Android device with a two year life generates about $3.5 to Google over its life, Apple obtained $576.3 for each iOS device it sold in 2011[4]. The economics of Android are nothing like the economics of iOS.

You are posting to a wrong forum. Go to investment forums with this stuff. For regular phone users vendor profits do not matter (if anything, higher profits simply indicates how much you were ripped of). Market share is another matter. The more Android devices there is, the more app developers will be interested to develop for Android. As far as phones are concerned, Android Market already offers the same (probably even greater) number of apps as App Store. Very soon the developers will be treating iOS like a poor cousin (remember Mas vs PC story?).
 
Hey guys, I don't understand the 2 phones =/= 200 phones argument? Can someone give me a refresher?

Or, ask yourself this; if you have to buy 1 phone and you are trying to pick between the iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, and 3-4 other android phones, would the fact that there are more android phones to pick from sway you to buy one?

Plus, are android phones really competing with iPhones, or are they competing with other android phones? Who really has to think that long between going iOS or going Android? You would think most customers would already know, before even walking into the door, whether they want an iPhone or not.
 
The highlight of comScore's report is Android passing 50% of installed smartphone user base for the first time, grabbing 50.1% of the market during the three-month period of December through February. That marks a gain of 3.2 percentage points since the previous three-month period and a gain of 17 percentage points over the past year. But Apple's iPhone has also seen strong performance, gaining 1.5 percentage points over the previous period and 5 percentage point year-over-year to hit 30.2% of the market.

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Well, it's not good news for Apple.

In the overall market of third-runner defectors, Google is picking up more share than Apple. AND, that share is coming to Google at a faster rate than the existing market share (November 2011) would indicate.

In other words, Google is ahead in market share, and is increasing their relative dominance. Mathematically, the Google:Apple ratio increased by 2%.

Of course, it's good news for Apple that it is increasing market share. Certainly better than declining market share. But if you care about the overall number of Google devices relative to the overall number of Apple devices there is a dark cloud in the middle of that silver lining.

Of course, IMHO this particular horse race is meaningless. I don't care how many other people have the same phone as me; I care that Apple is able to keep advancing the state of the phone, that the app market for the phone is vibrant, and that as a result I can buy and run quality apps on today's phone and know that my investment will carry over to my next phone.

Developers care about market share, but only indirectly. What they REALLY care about is how much money their app can make, which is a product not just of how many people are out there with a compatible device but also of how much money they are willing to spend and how much competition the app will face for those dollars. Raw marketshare feeds into those numbers, but without more data it is meaningless to developers.

Apple cares about marketshare also only indirectly. What they REALLY care about is how much money they can make with an updated version of the phone, which is a product of not just how many people are buying the current version (although that obviously helps keep the lights on) but of how satisfied they are, how well they view that purchase, how many secondary purchases (peripherals, apps) they make, and how much money with which frequency they are willing to spend on their next phone. Again, raw marketshare feeds into those numbers, but again it is meaningless to Apple.

So, I end up wondering: to whom is this data interesting? Seems to be nothing more than the Apple-Google horse-race aficionados, lounging around the track with mint juleps in hand blathering on about how their horse is going to steal the show.
 
Who owns all these Android phones?

I work in a Fortune 500 corporation, we've gone from Blackberry to iPhone, I live in Metro NYC area. I've seen one person with an Android device in the past 3 years. One! I know at least 15 people who own iPhones.

The numbers don't lie, there must be other areas of the US and the world where Android is dominating. I simply just don't see it in my circles.
 
Who owns all these Android phones?

I work in a Fortune 500 corporation, we've gone from Blackberry to iPhone, I live in Metro NYC area. I've seen one person with an Android device in the past 3 years. One! I know at least 15 people who own iPhones.

The numbers don't lie, there must be other areas of the US and the world where Android is dominating. I simply just don't see it in my circles.

These numbers were just for USA. If they included China, Android domination would be even greater.
 
The reason Apple is loosing this battle

is the high end phone market. Apple has conceded high end smartphone market to Android. Compared to Android phones, iPhone is way behind:

* no 4G (LTE)
* only 512 MB RAM (half of Android phones)
* only 800MHz CPU (half of what Android best phones offer)
* only 2 cores (same story - half)
* no HD screen
* VGA front facing camera (5x lower resolution than Android phones have)
* no memory card support
 
Typical fanboy reactions. They give away iPhones for free, too. But some cost $100 and $200 and $300, just like Android phones.

I test iOS devices as my job (for our app), and I much prefer them over my current Android device. I'll probably get a 5 in June or whenever they come out.

But at this moment, Android has a bigger share of the mobile OS market than Apple. And yet, Apple is making bazillions more dollars.

Not sure why everyone is so threatened with the idea that Android currently has a small advantage...
 
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