Android user gives up on Honeycomb tablets

[Mac.World]

Funny, I gave up on apple and couldn't be happier. I can actually type in landscape and browse the full web with ease thanks to my quick controls. Maybe one day Stevie will let you guys in on modern innovation.

Type in landscape...? You have me confused. iPad can type in landscape mode.

As for Flash, many would argue that not having anti-virus software required on our iDevices because of Flash and a seedy app market is a good trade off. 😎

 

[bpaluzzi]

And they tend to be a bit more demanding of their phones.

false

As you all may know, Android already is way ahead of Apple in market share.

False.

Also, Apple is not doing so well outside of the USA.

False.

And for Start button, how would you let go something that can get you to your program within seconds? Takes 2 clicks to find ANY program on my PC, majority of settings. Try this with a Mac, and no, you cannot use Search.

Shift-Command-A.

 

[Bluemeanie1976]

I don't think he has a clue, to be honest.

 

[Meanee]

false


False.


False.


Shift-Command-A.

Don't have time to look up the facts, but Android users tending to be more demanding, that's based on my experience within my company.

As for market share:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...ple-rim-in-2010-but-firm-warns-about-2011.ars
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/01...nes-now-outsell-everyone-else-in-us-combined/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20051610-17.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/android-iphone-market-share-2011-4
Not as false as you would hope

Shift-Command-A selects all files, ok, fine. Now, I have ALL ZIP files selected. Now what?

Care to put Kool Aid down and examine the facts?

I think you'll love AVPlayerHD. I refuse to use anything else and def not the vid player Apple provided. I don't want to have to convert anything to watch on my iPad. Plus, I like having subtitles supported and you can manipulate the size of the text. And if you only want to send a small file to your iPad, no wires required. Do it via wifi. 😀

And Mac's aren't for everyone, nor do they fit everyone's needs. I hate having to use Windows now (been using Windows, and DOS, since 1984.) In 2008, finally had enough. I hate 3rd party driver loading and the conflicts it can cause, leading to BSOD. Can't stand the constant security updates, codec issues, and server failures. Hate that office .pptx and .docx files can cause conflicts with 1998-2003 doc and ppt files. My work hasn't shifted to Office 2010 yet.

Of course my MacBook Pro has both OSX and Windows 7 Ultimate on it. I can boot into either OS. I find that emulators just aren't the same.

You'd be surprised how Windows stability improved. It takes quite a lot of effort now to get BSOD. Driver conflicts are things of the past, as long as you avoid devices like "Uncle Joe's Video Card". So are codec issues. They simply do not exist anymore. The Windows 7 has all codecs you'd ever need built in, but if something is missing, there's always VLC which will play anything you throw at it. The .pptx and .docx were introduced with Office 2007. And Microsoft released compatibility pack, so you can work with these files in Office 2003

I am currently trying to go for my pilot's license, and show me a Mac that can run Flight Simulator, in 3D (I use nVidia 3D Vision), running on 3 surround monitors. Plus using TrackIR for head tracking.

 

[bpaluzzi]

Don't have time to look up the facts, but Android users tending to be more demanding, that's based on my experience within my company.

Anecdotes are cool, but the facts are that iOS users download far more apps than Android.

As for market share:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...ple-rim-in-2010-but-firm-warns-about-2011.ars
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/01...nes-now-outsell-everyone-else-in-us-combined/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20051610-17.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/android-iphone-market-share-2011-4
Not as false as you would hope

Phone marketshare. Which is a useless statistic in general, and laughably useless in a discussion about tablets.

Shift-Command-A selects all files, ok, fine. Now, I have ALL ZIP files selected. Now what?

It's amazing what a difference there is between "Shift-Command-A" and "Comand-A".

 

[Mac.World]

Don't have time to look up the facts, but Android users tending to be more demanding, that's based on my experience within my company.

As for market share:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...ple-rim-in-2010-but-firm-warns-about-2011.ars
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/01...nes-now-outsell-everyone-else-in-us-combined/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20051610-17.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/android-iphone-market-share-2011-4
Not as false as you would hope

Shift-Command-A selects all files, ok, fine. Now, I have ALL ZIP files selected. Now what?

Care to put Kool Aid down and examine the facts?

You'd be surprised how Windows stability improved. It takes quite a lot of effort now to get BSOD. Driver conflicts are things of the past, as long as you avoid devices like "Uncle Joe's Video Card". So are codec issues. They simply do not exist anymore. The Windows 7 has all codecs you'd ever need built in, but if something is missing, there's always VLC which will play anything you throw at it. The .pptx and .docx were introduced with Office 2007. And Microsoft released compatibility pack, so you can work with these files in Office 2003

I am currently trying to go for my pilot's license, and show me a Mac that can run Flight Simulator, in 3D (I use nVidia 3D Vision), running on 3 surround monitors. Plus using TrackIR for head tracking.

I'm still trying to figure out what this Android device is, that people like to talk about. I have yet to see it.

However, when 'Android-based' phones aren't given away for free, or nearly free, and can hold their own, I'll be impressed. Additionally, save for 1 or 2 of the better phones from Samsung and HTC, the hundreds of other phones are pure crap, running ancient 1.6 or 2.1, have a terrible interface and leave the user wondering why he can't update the OS.

As for your flight simulator custom setup, maybe Mac won't cater to your needs. I always ask people that are thinking of changing to Mac's what they will be using it for. If Windows will fill their needs equally or better, I tell them to stick with Windows. Not a hard decision. In your case, I wouldn't recommend a Mac. 🙂

 

[ChazUK]

Additionally, save for 1 or 2 of the better phones from Samsung and HTC, the hundreds of other phones are pure crap, running ancient 1.6 or 2.1, have a terrible interface and leave the user wondering why he can't update the OS.

Android 1.6 currently has 2.5‰ and 2.1 is on the decline to just 21.2‰ marketshare.
Where are these hundreds of phones on 1.6 and 2.1 being offered? The vast majority are on Android 2.2+.

http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html

As for phones that are "given away" can you point me to them at all? I'd love to pick up some hardware scott free, thanks. 😎

 

[mattlong1978]

I currently use an HTC Desire after owning iPhones for a very long time but I have to admit the Android tablet's don't impress me much...maybe one day but for now I'll keep my iPad I think 🙄

 

[Bluemeanie1976]

It's amazing what a difference there is between "Shift-Command-A" and "Comand-A".

You don't even need that. Quicksilver can find any file, or app, the same as spotlight, but ignoring even keyboard shortcuts, there is the stack with apps in, or the xmenu you can use which gives access from the toolbar.

It seems like a petty argument, to be honest. 2 clicks to get apps? I can do it in one, in many ways.

 

[Mac.World]

Android 1.6 currently has 2.5‰ and 2.1 is on the decline to just 21.2‰ marketshare.
Where are these hundreds of phones on 1.6 and 2.1 being offered? The vast majority are on Android 2.2+.

http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html

As for phones that are "given away" can you point me to them at all? I'd love to pick up some hardware scott free, thanks. 😎

So you don't think that 25% is nothing in the overall market share of Android? That is a lot of friggin phones! And the poor people that bought them have no way to upgrade, because their manufacturer won't let them. Must feel awesome for the user to be walled into a garden that allows no upgrades. Speaking of upgrades, how many using 2.2 right now have been able to upgrade to 2.3? Assuming I still own an iPhone in a couple of months, and not a WP7 or Android, I'll be able to upgrade right away to iOS 5. Not many Android OS users can say that!

And the BOGO or nearly free offers for Android based phones. Go look in any cell phone store. They all offer them. Of course Apple is offer the old iPhone 3GS now for 49 bucks. I suppose that can be considered nearly free, at least in terms of Apple products.

 

[ChazUK]

Why Honeycomb tablets suck for me (coming from a Xoom perspective).

1. Lack of Honeycomb source code for developers/modders enthusiasts.
Biggest mistake from Google IMHO and for me it ruined the "open" message. It's also held back the modding/dev community somewhat which for me is one of Androids strengths.

2. Inconsistent updates. (Motorola suck the big one!)
My Wifi Xoom is currently stuck on Android 3.0.1, not 3.1 (the latest). Despite being hardware identical to the Wifi Xoom sold in the U.S, the rest of the world is waiting for the 3.1 update with Motorola silent on when we (everyone outside the U.S) will receive 3.1. This makes me fearful of the next Android release as it's been well over a month since 3.1 came out and we're still waiting. Meanwhile,the Asus eeePad and Galaxy Tab 10.1 are on 3.1 already, all around the world.

The app situation improves by the day with a lot of Apps available for my needs but the sheer number of applications available for the iPad trounces everything.

If anyone says to me which tablet i'd suggest, I can't suggest anything over the iPad 2. Unless the users need something specific like Flash or improved customisation, the iPad makes total sense. As it stand now, Google and the Android tablet manufactures have a long way to go to compete.

The best competitor as it stands today would be the GalaxyTab 10.1 IMO but that will still fall short.

 

[neiltc13]

Why Honeycomb tablets suck for me (coming from a Xoom perspective).

1. Lack of Honeycomb source code for developers/modders enthusiasts.
Biggest mistake from Google IMHO and for me it ruined the "open" message. It's also held back the modding/dev community somewhat which for me is one of Androids strengths.

2. Inconsistent updates. (Motorola suck the big one!)
My Wifi Xoom is currently stuck on Android 3.0.1, not 3.1 (the latest). Despite being hardware identical to the Wifi Xoom sold in the U.S, the rest of the world is waiting for the 3.1 update with Motorola silent on when we (everyone outside the U.S) will receive 3.1. This makes me fearful of the next Android release as it's been well over a month since 3.1 came out and we're still waiting. Meanwhile,the Asus eeePad and Galaxy Tab 10.1 are on 3.1 already, all around the world.

The app situation improves by the day with a lot of Apps available for my needs but the sheer number of applications available for the iPad trounces everything.

If anyone says to me which tablet i'd suggest, I can't suggest anything over the iPad 2. Unless the users need something specific like Flash or improved customisation, the iPad makes total sense. As it stand now, Google and the Android tablet manufactures have a long way to go to compete.

The best competitor as it stands today would be the GalaxyTab 10.1 IMO but that will still fall short.

But don't you find that you don't need as many "apps" because the web browser is actually capable of rendering more than just HTML and JavaScript?

I mean, the only reason I had the BBC News application on my iPad was because I couldn't view the videos on the site. With Xoom, I would be able to so would have no need for a separate application.

 

[Meanee]

Those stats were Android vs iOS in general. It's not tablet or phone statistic, but yes, iPad overwhelmingly outnumbers all Android tablets combined. But time may change that.

As for 1.x android, you would have to look pretty hard to find one offered now

 

[spiderman0616]

If positive stories about Apple products make some of you guys so angry, I'm not sure why you spend any time on this forum. Do you honestly think you're going to convert people here to Android devices with your angry posts?

If stories about Apple get you all butt hurt, then go away.

 

[Gix1k]

I feel the same way as the OP!

I,too, have an EVO and was excited for Android tablets. However, my experience with Xoom and Transformer with the 3.1 update have crushed any hopes of seeing a true competitor to the iPad.

Needless to say, I bought an ipad 2 and have been very happy!!

Same here!!

 

[ChazUK]

So you don't think that 25% is nothing in the overall market share of Android? That is a lot of friggin phones! And the poor people that bought them have no way to upgrade, because their manufacturer won't let them. Must feel awesome for the user to be walled into a garden that allows no upgrades. Speaking of upgrades, how many using 2.2 right now have been able to upgrade to 2.3? Assuming I still own an iPhone in a couple of months, and not a WP7 or Android, I'll be able to upgrade right away to iOS 5. Not many Android OS users can say that!

The numbers include legacy hardware like the G1 which don't have an (official) updated path from 1.6 but month by month, figures for 1.6 and 2.1 are on the decline. Judging by both 2.1's and 1.6's monthly decline, I'd only assume that the phones are either being updated to 2.2+ or are being disposed of. People who invested in the iPhone 3g are also in this situation too, stuck on an older firmware. It's a sad fact but hardware does have an end of life and a lot of the older Android hand sets are being left behind.

The vast majority of handsets on offer today are on at least 2.2 from what i've seen.

And the BOGO or nearly free offers for Android based phones. Go look in any cell phone store. They all offer them. Of course Apple is offer the old iPhone 3GS now for 49 bucks. I suppose that can be considered nearly free, at least in terms of Apple products.

I understand the competitive advantage of the BOGO offers but I think a lot of people omit the (likely expensve) second line that comes with the "free" handset, instead focusing solely on the "free phone".

As i'm a UK resident, I see "free" handsets all the time (even the iPhone) so it isn't an unusual sight for me to see expensive hardware given away for free. The carriers wouldn't ever give hardware away if it didn't mean a return on the total cost of ownership and i'd guess that locking someone into two lines for 2 years is worthwhile for any carrier.

As a consumer, I can't see what is wrong with paying less on the total cost of a handset so these offers make total sense to me if you are in the market for two smartphone handsets with a contract.

 

[ChazUK]

But don't you find that you don't need as many "apps" because the web browser is actually capable of rendering more than just HTML and JavaScript?

I mean, the only reason I had the BBC News application on my iPad was because I couldn't view the videos on the site. With Xoom, I would be able to so would have no need for a separate application.

I love the fact that Flash is available on my Xoom as it means that sites like lovefilm.com works fine via flash video in the browser. (For non-ukers, love film is like Netflix with movies available to stream online).

Not having to use a seperate app to watch movies on LoveFilm is great and one of the benefits and reasons I chose my Xoom. Other sites like BBC News all work effortlessly too so neiltc, you are correct in that sense.

 

[spiderman0616]

I love the fact that Flash is available on my Xoom as it means that sites like lovefilm.com works fine via flash video in the browser. (For non-ukers, love film is like Netflix with movies available to stream online).

Not having to use a seperate app to watch movies on LoveFilm is great and one of the benefits and reasons I chose my Xoom. Other sites like BBC News all work effortlessly too so neiltc, you are correct in that sense.

I prefer not having to go to websites for content. I like having an app instead. They're more tailored for tablets, and the content is presented in really cool ways.

 

[bpaluzzi]

Those stats were Android vs iOS in general. It's not tablet or phone statistic, but yes, iPad overwhelmingly outnumbers all Android tablets combined. But time may change that.

Do you mean the stats you linked to? If so, nope. Those are phone only. Totally useless.

iOS outsells Android on all devices combined by over a 50% margin.

The only metric where Android is in the lead is if you consider ONLY phone handset marketshare.

 

[ChazUK]

I prefer not having to go to websites for content. I like having an app instead. They're more tailored for tablets, and the content is presented in really cool ways.

I'm very pro HTML5 and would love for the vast majority of sites and content to just work be it on iOS, Android, OSX, WebOS, Linux, Windows, Windows Phone 7, Meego (and so on).

For me, Steve Jobs is spot on with rejecting Flash on iOS and pushing for better web standards. As long as things get unified, we'll one day have such a future.

If all it took was for a distributor to design two sites, one keyboard mouse optimized and the other touch optimized which would then mean that people could access that content on an iPad, Android tablet, PlayBook or TouchPad then that would make me happy.

Constantly needing app that are not available on all platforms for content that could be universally accessed in a browser makes no sense to me. Im really looking forward to what Facebook are doing HTML5 wise.

Of course people will prefer app but IMO, apps are the new browser plugin, not on offer to everyone and not cross platform.

 

[EssentialParado]

By the time all these companies have got a few revisions/versions under their belt and have nailed the design and production methods it will all start to come together and level out.

In 10 years time all this will be forgotten about as the market will be really mature and there will be many selections of excellent tablets from many companies to choose from.

Pretty sure the same things were said about the wealth of initial competition to the iPod.

As much as competitors tried to catch up, Apple always stayed one step ahead. If Apple can replicate (and they seem to be doing a pretty good job so far), I don't see them losing the majority marketshare anytime.

 

[Sjhonny]

We've got a long long log way to go.

Give it 10 years and see what's what then.
Anyone got a time machine, I'd love to pop forward 10 years and know who's making the mistakes now.

Well I bought myself a Time Capsule, but apparently, you can only travel back in time. I agree Apple is totally overrated ... 😉

What did you expect? Mac 'fan' shout out on a pro Apple forum, resulting in eternal damnation of the OP?

 

[EssentialParado]

I understand the competitive advantage of the BOGO offers but I think a lot of people omit the (likely expensve) second line that comes with the "free" handset, instead focusing solely on the "free phone".

As i'm a UK resident, I see "free" handsets all the time (even the iPhone) so it isn't an unusual sight for me to see expensive hardware given away for free. The carriers wouldn't ever give hardware away if it didn't mean a return on the total cost of ownership and i'd guess that locking someone into two lines for 2 years is worthwhile for any carrier.

As a consumer, I can't see what is wrong with paying less on the total cost of a handset so these offers make total sense to me if you are in the market for two smartphone handsets with a contract.

But the point is, the only reason Andoid phones have reached the marketshare they have is through having the cheapest phones. It's not because all those customers actively purchased an Android phone over an iPhone. It's mostly moms, people with less money, or people who simply wanted a phone.

Hence why web market share is 2% for iOS and 0.2% for Android, and why App sales and usage are vastly higher on iOS over Android. Even though Android does, technically, outnumber Apple's marketshare.

I think Apple understand the price barrier to the iPhone. If rumors are correct about the iPhone 5, we could be seeing a dramatic shift in phone marketshare come September.

 

[aneftp]

Android 1.6 currently has 2.5‰ and 2.1 is on the decline to just 21.2‰ marketshare.
Where are these hundreds of phones on 1.6 and 2.1 being offered? The vast majority are on Android 2.2+.

http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html

As for phones that are "given away" can you point me to them at all? I'd love to pick up some hardware scott free, thanks. 😎

You can get many Android high end phones on BOGO. U can get Android phones for $49 on contract etc.

There is a reason. HTC, Samsung, Motorola sell their androids in bulk at heavy "retail" discounts to cell phone companies. That $500 HTC full price sensation really only costs Tmobile around $350 "in bulk" to acquire directly from HTC. So that's why carriers can discount those android phones at firesale prices.

Of course Android manufactures and cell phone companies will never confirm the discounts they get for "competitive reasons"

We all know Apple sells the iPhone at cost to "full retail" price to the cell phone companies. That's why they can't discount the phone very much on contract. They are already eating close to a $400 subsidy to get you on contract.

 

[dulaney22]

Type in landscape...? You have me confused. iPad can type in landscape mode.

As for Flash, many would argue that not having anti-virus software required on our iDevices because of Flash and a seedy app market is a good trade off. 😎

When iOS5 eventually releases, you'll understand . . . if it has a decent thumb keyboard.

As for malware, your statement shows how little you know about Android.