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Announcement: Two games forums for the price of one

Re: post count

FYI, for those concerned about posts not counting reducing participation, please see the Marketplace and Politics, Religion and Social Issues forums - they have not suffered any drop in participation and have dramatically improved in terms of signal-to-noise ratio after institution of minimum post count and posts not counting towards overall count.
 
Okay, I should have read into this some more first.

Yey for the split boards idea, double yey for the May 1st opening date.

Boo for the no post counts. If anything this will get people posting more, since the lack of counting might just get people posting non-stop rubbish as it doesn't really contribute to the overall site as much.

Overall it's a good move IMO.
 
raggedjimmi said:
If anything this will get people posting more, since the lack of counting might just get people posting non-stop rubbish as it doesn't really contribute to the overall site as much.
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That's where YOU come in. If this happens, we hope other members will report the posts, so we can remove the posts, threads, or forum members rather than let them annoy other members that way.
 
I think the real reason Doctor Q separated the forums is because there is going to be a HUGE announcement on May 1st from Apple regarding gaming and Doctor Q knows about it!!!
 
I'm going through withdrawl! Help!

I have never been into Mac-based games since the original Sim City. I much preferred the games on my parents Apple II+. Lode Runner, Microwave Madness, and Taxman among others. Good times.

May 1st?!? I might forget what a console is by then!

I'm just gald the MR gods will allow us to continue to talk about consoles. I'm not concerned about post-counts as much as I am about blathering away about precious non-mac video games.
 
"Because console games are not a focus of MacRumors, posts in the Console Games forum do not count toward your total post count as displayed in your member profile and as used to determine eligibility for avatars and use of certain forums, as explained in the FAQ."


Thats a little lame. Talking about your personal stuff on the Community forum has nothing to do with Mac's either yet it counts towards posts. Is this seperate forum phase one of getting rid of console gaming from MR?
 
sikkinixx said:
"Because console games are not a focus of MacRumors, posts in the Console Games forum do not count toward your total post count as displayed in your member profile and as used to determine eligibility for avatars and use of certain forums, as explained in the FAQ."


Thats a little lame. Talking about your personal stuff on the Community forum has nothing to do with Mac's either yet it counts towards posts. Is this seperate forum phase one of getting rid of console gaming from MR?
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Er, who actually cares about post count? Do you get a cookie when you hit 15,000 posts?

Actually, that would be pretty neat - I'd enjoy a good cookie...
 
A few posts above were moved here from the About the Apple Games forum thread, since this is the best thread for discussion about the transition to the new split-topic forums.

SilentPanda said:
I think the real reason Doctor Q separated the forums is because there is going to be a HUGE announcement on May 1st from Apple regarding gaming and Doctor Q knows about it!!!
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Shhhh!

sikkinixx said:
Talking about your personal stuff on the Community forum has nothing to do with Mac's either yet it counts towards posts. Is this seperate forum phase one of getting rid of console gaming from MR?
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That was addressed early in this thread. There are no plans and no intention to remove the Console Games forum.
 
Yeah, but...15,000 posts? And you get one measly cookie? That better be one heck of a cookie! Will cookies even exist in 2040? (Estimated time when I finally reach 15,000 posts.)

--Eric
 
It doesn't matter if console gaming isn't specifically related to Apple/Macs. MR created a forum for console games discussion, and a community rose out of it. Now we're being punished for it?

I don't like this at all. I never really saw much of a problem with the games forum. Maybe if mods would do their job and patrol it once in a while, it wouldn't have any issues.

Also, I was going to mention it, but I saw someone else already did-- looks like the majority of people in favor of this change never even participated in that forum to begin with. That's like trying to participate in a foreign nation's politics. Just because those people agree with the change, it shouldn't be an indicator of the overall reception of it. I think a large number of posters from the forum will be against it.

I don't care about not having it count towards posts, but why the 2 week break? It's nonsense.
Oh, and while you're at it, most of the Photography forum is totally unrelated to Apple/Macs, as well, so you might want to go butcher that one, too.

Great job, guys.
 
i never had a problem with the games forum eithr since i never visited it. were personal insults thrown around in there? ya? then just ban the lot of them. pretty easy to spot the trolls and troublemakers. over modding with the console war thread was the dumbest idea ive ever seen implemented on a forum. good job stoking the fire.

keeping that console forum locked is a good idea tho. keep unruly juveniles at bay. hopefully the lot of them will move on terrorizing another forum site. one can hope.
 
seenew said:
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I don't like this at all. I never really saw much of a problem with the games forum. Maybe if mods would do their job and patrol it once in a while, it wouldn't have any issues.
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Wow. Way to jump to a conclusion. The reason you didn't see too many problems was because we were in there A LOT recently cleaning up petty flamewars and trying to get the community to shape up.

We were in there regularly "patrolling", but the regulars didn't seem very keen on helping out and reporting the troublesome posts - or, if they were, it was a form of passive aggressive attack trying to get others in trouble.

If you're such a regular, where've you been for the past few weeks when we tried out the console war thread and have been posting about what the community needs to do to get under control?
 
Rower_CPU said:
If you're such a regular, where've you been for the past few weeks when we tried out the console war thread and have been posting about what the community needs to do to get under control?
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I didn't participate in the "console war thread" because I thought it was a stupid idea. I don't go to a game forum specifically to argue about which console is better or worse; that's juvenile. If an argument started, yeah, honestly I sometimes participated for a bit. But for the most part I find it to be a waste of time.
So maybe that's why I never found there to be many problems. It's pretty easy to steer clear of threads you know are going to go awry. I think that's what people should learn to do.
And yeah, I do consider myself to be a regular, but I'm also a full time student, so I don't always have time to come on here every day (especially with my course load this quarter), so I guess I didn't notice the discussions about 'getting the community under control' (as if it were ever out of control).
 
seenew said:
MR created a forum for console games discussion, and a community rose out of it. Now we're being punished for it?
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Just be happy they are keeping it. It is becoming very evident why there needed to be changes if there can't even be a discussion on the discussion without fighting. If this were my house I would of locked the door for good on that forum.
 
MacNut said:
Just be happy they are keeping it.
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Do you honestly think saying this will help in any way whatsoever? This is more of an antagonizing statement than anything else.

MacNut said:
It is becoming very evident why there needed to be changes if there can't even be a discussion on the discussion without fighting. If this were my house I would of locked the door for good on that forum.
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Because someone has expressed their dislike means they're "fighting"? Come now, whenever someone feels wronged they are more adament about expressing this than someone who is neutral. Simply because someone has expressed their dislike of the move doesn't mean they're automatically "fighting".

Anyway...

Overall I think the move is great. I generally navigate in to the forums from the front page, so pulling the console discussion off the front page will likely mean I won't be participating as much anymore, but that's because I'm lazy. ;)

The two-week 'time-out" is a little juvenile, but so were most of the threads, so I say good call. :)
 
MacNut said:
Just be happy they are keeping it. It is becoming very evident why there needed to be changes if there can't even be a discussion on the discussion without fighting. If this were my house I would of locked the door for good on that forum.
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Well then it's a good thing you don't run a forum, because it wouldn't be very successful with that attitude.


thanks for saying it for me, evilgEEk.
 
I was unaware that this was a gaming forum.:confused: There are no written rules that there has to be a discussion on games or anything non mac related here. The fact that games and politics and everything else is a privilege not a right that has to be respected. I have my problems with the political forum here at times but you don't hear outcries about how its run.

I don't like the fact that the gamers feel they run the site and want everything under the sun. The mods did what they felt would work. Anything is better then what was happening there before.
 
MacNut said:
The fact that games and politics and everything else is a privilege not a right that has to be respected.
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I only buy in to that way of thinking so far.

Yes, the site creator(s) have, out of the goodness of their hearts, provided us an outlet to discuss our mac-related issues, but in doing so has also created a community that naturally demands more than just mac-related discussion. Now if that was where the story ended then I would agree with you 100 percent that it's a privilage, but that's not where it ends.

At some point in time after conception this website became a business, and an established community plays a very important role in keeping a business like this running. To run a successful business you must cater to your customers' needs, but the trick is to do it without compromising your integrity, and this is done extremely well at MacRumors. But to keep your customers (the community) happy, you also bestowe upon them a certain number of rights, even if those rights are simply the ability to express an opinion, which is what we're all doing today.

So to preach that this forum is a privilage only goes so far, because without the community in place (which needs more discussion outlets, as well as the right to request such needs), MacRumors wouldn't be what it is today.
 
That also doesn't mean that you can abuse a forum. I agree that people have different interests but if it gets out of control then something has to be done about it.
 
First, please recall that heavy users of the games forums requested more moderation because it was so out of control.

Also please note that having a subforum for console games was requested as well.

Why was all of this requested by the users? The games forum had degraded into constant battles between fan boys. Non-console threads were drowned out. Any post about a console, no matter how innocuous, would inevitably degrade into a console war. Not only were personal insults being thrown around constantly, but rivalries between camps had escalated to the point that people were discussing threads to start and posts to make that would incite their enemies into getting banned, making those posts, then reporting anyone who responded. Almost no legitimate post reports were ever made, meaning mods had to constantly be reading every single post in the games forum to maintain any sort of civility. And when we did temp-ban some of the worst offenders the community went up in arms to attack the moderators.

We are doing our best to try to keep place for console discussion, but the gamer community is making it very difficult.

We hope this latest change will allow us to keep a console forum, especially since it is what the community most recently requested be done.
 
One of the console thread's cousins is the Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD format battle, which also has its fair share of torch carrying supporters and detractors. Will the pro and con people be tossed into the console thread, or is there a different, more logical place for them?
 
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