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Reversible USB may be a convenient accessory of the iphone6. But by no means is it a major feature. Let's not make that mistake
 
To all the people who complain about lightning cables breaking...... What war zones have you been putting yours through? I've never had one that broke or unravelled.
Just the ordinary day to day war zone.

I get the feeling from several posts that some people don't think I deserve to have nice-looking lightning cables that work, because I must be mistreating them somehow.

But that's the wrong way to look at it. I actually CAN have nice-looking lightning cables that work and that hold up to my ordinary use. All I have to do is leave the Apple-supplied cable in a drawer as a backup, and use a third-party cable instead. The third-party cables are better made. They're more durable. They come in various lengths and even multiple colors. They cost less than Apple cables.

In short, whether I pass muster in the way I handle cables or not, I can have cables that, per Apple's credo, just work. They just don't come from Apple.
 
Hmm, nothing new

Translated:
A world first - Goes with everything
Patented USB A male plug on both sides - no matter how around
Optimally suitable for printers and external hard drives


Link
Nothing new, huh? I followed that link and found it was a USB cable for a printer. There's no way to plug it into my iPhone.

Apple's innovation is that BOTH ends of the cable are reversible.

The only thing left to keep straight is that the big end goes in the computer or USB power port, and the small lightning end goes in the iDevice. It would be nice to have the same reversible plug on both ends of the cable. With USB ports and power supplies nearly ubiquitous, though, I don't see it happening soon.
 
OMG, this is amazing! A USB connector that will plug in either way. My mind is racing with the possibility of how much time I'll save...

Let's see... I probably attach a USB device to some other device about twice a week on average. About half the time, I accidentally try to plug it in upside down. So, once a week I have to stop and flip the plug over. That extra step (flipping the plug over) probably wastes 2 seconds. So...

2 seconds x 52 weeks in a year = 104 seconds! Oh my, I'm going to save almost 2 minutes over the course of an entire year because of this revolutionary new USB connector!

Be still my beating heart!

:rolleyes:

Mark
Often, when I'm plugging in my iPhone, I'm doing it in the dark, or with one hand, perhaps when I'm driving, so I can use the hands-free and not drain my battery.

This is a feature that could literally keep my heart beating a little longer.
 
What if you turn the plug 90 degrees. Ah hah you didn't think of that did you

1/8" audio plugs have that covered. 1/8" plug: 1. USB: 0. :D

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Is it really that hard to flip the plug if it doesn't fit initially? More movable parts means it's going to be easier to break, and the cables are already expensive as is. Plus, this end is rarely even unplugged from chargers. It's a nice detail, but it's not really necessary.
 
The reversible Lightning cable is useful, but the reversible USB end isn't so much. It would be really useful if everything else using USB, especially the kinds of things I plug into the back of my computer after reaching my arm over it, had reversible plugs!

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I wish they had reversible serial cables back in the day, the parallel port 15 pin ones lol

I really don't see why they were all non-reversible, other than that people didn't care enough back then. They were almost just rectangles of pins that would've been reversible if they weren't all slightly trapezoidal.
 
I don't get the point of this, is it mostly to meet the forthcoming 3.1 standard?
Or is it just a time saver like the Lightning connector you don't have to worry about which way it goes in so you have 2 seconds every time you use it?
 
The design is compatible with all (properly manufactured to specifications) USB-A receptacles. So just plug it in.

I can't see that, in the picture the metal casing is bigger, a standard USB plus hasn't got the room for the connector to be reversible, the connector would end up being too thin.
I can't see the cable being very durable, or fitting the majority of USB sockets going by the photo.
 
Actually his explanation is credible, cause rechargeable batteries do deteriorate over time.

Have you noticed that you have less charge left at nights before you recharge? I would find it extremely difficult to believe that your battery has the same charge after 4 years :cool:

Mine also has a similar charge to when it was new (lasts about a day, sometimes longer, but less with heavy usage). It's impossible for me to say whether the performance is the same, but based on previous devices I was actually expecting it to degrade more with age. My 2.5 year old Macbook Air is also showing similar lifetimes to when it was new (as shown by the time remaining counter). I suspect Apple has done something clever with the charging circuits - the battery is just standard LiIon as far as I can tell.
 
Actually his explanation is credible, cause rechargeable batteries do deteriorate over time.

Have you noticed that you have less charge left at nights before you recharge? I would find it extremely difficult to believe that your battery has the same charge after 4 years :cool:

I never claimed the battery could hold the same charge as 4 years ago, only that *my moderate* usage pattern hadn't changed, and thus the OP's assertion of Apple compromising the battery just enough for me to upgrade after a couple of years isn't true.

Maybe I didn't need to charge it so frequently back in 2010 (every other day?) compared to now (everyday) but the point is that I'm fortunate enough to have used it over 4 years without feeling like the device is now sub-optimal and needs to be charged twice a day.

Yep, Apple is stingy with the battery power (and the whole device thinness crap), but this intentional "max 1 day-usage dropping to 0.5 days after 2 years" mission? I don't buy it. I have an iPod Touch 2G from 2008 which still works perfectly. It's not the battery which has been compromised, it's the limiting features and speed. Apple uses "improved speed and functionality" to encourage consumers to upgrade.
 
I can't see that, in the picture the metal casing is bigger, a standard USB plus hasn't got the room for the connector to be reversible, the connector would end up being too thin.
I can't see the cable being very durable, or fitting the majority of USB sockets going by the photo.

It's actually not bigger at all. Or if it is, it's so slight that it will still fit into the USB receptacle (which is slightly oversized to deal with manufacturing tolerances).

As I explained before, the standard USB receptacle does in fact have enough room to allow for this reversible connector. In fact, those connectors already exist and are in general use by TrippLite. And since the USB port forces you to put the connector in roughly straight to begin with and then straightens you out as you go forward, it's going to be durable enough too.

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So are these things backward compatible with existing USB ports of current Macs?

Yes, that is the entire point of the thing.
 
Reversible USB was patented back in 2010.
By someone other than Apple.
Apple could have implemented this back then but then they would have had to pay the patent holder so they waited until they came up with their own very slightly different version that they are now trying to patent as a new invention.
We'll have to wait and see if Apple's version in considered different enough to be granted its own patent but except for Apple's not wanting to pay license fees, we could have had this four years ago.

And by M-Systems, who were later acquired by Sandisk along with their patent portfolio. Their application has a priority date of August 2, 2004. Whether Apple will be granted their patent in this situation remains to be seen, but I can't see why they wouldn't. There's also no reason to believe that Apple does not already have cross licensing agreements in place with the holders of other reversible USB connector patents. Maybe, just maybe, we've been waiting for Apple to spend enough time and money on R&D to finally have a design that can be produced on the scale that they require... which is roughly 300 million units annually.

We also could have had these connectors years ago if you had gotten your engineering degree, done the work to make the concept commercially viable, and struck licensing agreements with interested parties. I guess it's easier to just blame Apple for the harm done by taking so long to become the first major OEM to adopt a reversible Type-A plug design for their best selling product.

Yeah I'm behind the idea of the type C connector, just not the execution. It looks physically a lot like micro-usb which in my opinion is the absolute worst connector type that has ever existed, and I've worked with the 50+-pin centronics monstrosities. Those were pretty terrible to work with but at least they were sturdy as poop. Micro-USB, thanks to its design where there's a little tiny tongue in the chassis part, fails when you just look at it the wrong way. And the connector is just as flimsy; it just won't stand up to the repeated abuse of a regular 12-year old girl.

That is quite unlike Lightning, which was designed with such things in mind. Some people have issues with the strain relief on those cables, sure, but the actual connector part (the bit that goes into the phone) is rock-solid due to its design being so much more elegant.

Fair enough. I guess I should say that Type-C looks awesome on paper, but the proof will obviously be in how things turn out in terms of real-world usage. And for what it's worth, those stupid ZIF connectors for flat flex cables are the absolute worst to deal with in my book.
 
I'll be honest, I am not playing conspiracy theory. I really don't see how this might fit a standard USB port. Not sure how the electrode part can be in the middle, equidistant from each side or the exterior of the male port when the USB ports on my computer have the matching electrode part nearly flush on one side of the female port.

It is my assumption, if this port will be used on the iPhone 6 cable and it really won't fit a standard USB port, that Apple will be making some kind of announcement that this new USB port is the "future of USB" and they are using it because of some massive speed gain, and it will be on all future computers they release.

Sure hope you are right, and the port actually does fit the standard USB ports I already have. I'm gonna be ticked off if my wife needs an adapter to connect her soon to be new phone to the computer.

It's going to fit. It's going to fit just like all the other reversible Type "A" USB plugs which have been around for years fit and have always fit.

The 'tongue' of the Type "A" plug is central in the middle of the plug, a little of its thickness one side, a little the other. The mating piece of the socket is and always has been just a little away from center allowing the plug to contact it. The only differences in this plug, the really only difference, is instead of the area behind the tongue on the plug one side being full of plastic, it's empty and the tongue has connections both sides.

If you look at the two pictures of the two plugs on the front page, allow a little leeway for the fact that they have been held at two slightly different angles, just imagine trimming away most (80%) of the plastic at the top of the 'old' plug to leave a hole.. you now have the new plug. That plastic doesn't do very much, adds a little bit of mechanical grip, makes the plug go in one way. The reason it's there at all in the original design is that making one set of contacts is cheaper than making two sets of contacts, one on either side of the tongue on the plug and the USB group was concerned to make sure USB plugs were cheap to manufacture. If you only have contacts on one side, the plug MUST go in one way up, hence the blanking plastic to ensure that happens.

I'm fairly surprised at the number replies castigating Apple for coming up with a plug which won't fit a normal Type "A" socket, number one because it's very clearly absolutely going to fit it and two because they just aren't that stupid.
 
I don't think you need to defend apple here.

Apples entire business model is based on forced obsolescence and has been since the first iMac. It's not cynical, it's just how apple do business.

It's why the first iPhone didn't have a front facing camera. And why the first iPad didn't either.

I've taken my iPhone 5 to the Genius Bar in London and Brisbane and had it replaced twice because of battery issues. When asked why it kept happening, Both times the geniuses said that it makes people upgrade sooner and even when they have to book a genius appointment, it gets them into an apple store.

There are people who would upgrade sooner anyway, but most people spending that much money on a device will want it to last as long as possible - and that isn't good for apple's bottom line.

Apple's planned obsolescence strategy is the worst kept secret in the history of the world. Other companies do it too, but apple is notorious for withholding features and technology in order to force upgrades.

Technology is forced obsolescence, not Apple's business model. You act as if Apple is the only one that progressively adds to and improves products.
 
Good question, I'm still trying to put in a USB cable into my MBP the wrong way :mad:

Schrödinger's Mac theory: "The USB connector exists in a superposition of both possible configurations until you try to plug it in when the realities colapse into the wrong decsion every time"

:p
 
Fair enough. I guess I should say that Type-C looks awesome on paper, but the proof will obviously be in how things turn out in terms of real-world usage. And for what it's worth, those stupid ZIF connectors for flat flex cables are the absolute worst to deal with in my book.

Right, those are admittedly also terrible but they aren't meant for the average user to ever even see, let alone handle.
 
It's clear from this thread that there are people here who have little (or no) grasp on electronics, and yet - think they are able to design electronic components better than engineers with many years of experience in the field.

If you can do it better, go and do it better. If you understand breakdown voltages, contact plating materials, wear lifetime, lead length attentuation and loss (capacitance, resistance, inductance), insulator material dielectric constants, mechanical stress measurement, cross-talk, standing waves, low pass attentuation, shielding... etc... go for it, and show them "where they went wrong".

You might need a few years worth of materials science and industrial design, too, so better get started now.

PS: Oh, and I hope you've got a decent 'scope and signal generation / signal analyser & associated test kit to do it better - you'll probably need to sell your house to afford that, so all the best.

I dare you to have the courage to do it :)
 
Just the ordinary day to day war zone.

I get the feeling from several posts that some people don't think I deserve to have nice-looking lightning cables that work, because I must be mistreating them somehow.

But that's the wrong way to look at it. I actually CAN have nice-looking lightning cables that work and that hold up to my ordinary use. All I have to do is leave the Apple-supplied cable in a drawer as a backup, and use a third-party cable instead. The third-party cables are better made. They're more durable. They come in various lengths and even multiple colors. They cost less than Apple cables.

In short, whether I pass muster in the way I handle cables or not, I can have cables that, per Apple's credo, just work. They just don't come from Apple.

So how come none of my cables from Apple have ever broke? NONE.
 
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