Another "iPad-Killer" to add to the trash-heap

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by *LTD*, Nov 14, 2010.

  1. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    http://www.appleinsider.com/article...p_slate_sees_demand_fizzle_at_9000_units.html

    Apple iPad rival HP Slate sees demand fizzle at 9,000 units

    After announcing that demand for its HP Slate had "exceeded expectations," it has now leaked out that HP only planned to build 5,000 and ended up having to retool to build a total of 9,000 of them.

    Compared to the average 46,555 iPads Apple sold per day over the last quarter (during constrained supplies), a total run of 9,000 isn't exactly the kind demand tablet observers would describe as "exceeding expectations," instead positioning the Slate PC in the same dismal category of failure trailblazed by Microsoft's Zune and KIN phone.


    Jointly unveiled by Microsoft and HP at an event just weeks before Apple first debuted the iPad, the HP Slate was supposed to herald a new generation of Microsoft Tablet PCs running Windows 7 under the new moniker "Slate PC," hopefully cutting the connection with the past decade of generations of failed Tablet-sized devices running either Windows CE or the full desktop version of Windows.

    Instead, Apple's release of the iPad quenched any enthusiasm for "Slate PCs," sending HP back to the drawing board while other Windows PC makers either abandoned their slate offerings or looked into alternative platforms (including Google's competing Chrome OS and Android OS). HP itself purchased Palm, announcing plans to produce WebOS-based devices over the next year.


    (and here's the funny [and somewhat sad] part)

    Recasting failure as an extraordinary surprise of sorts

    This summer however, HP announced it would be offering its existing HP Slate 500 directly to business customers, skipping the consumer market until it could deliver a WebOS offering. It didn't announce that it only planned to build 5,000 of the Slate PC devices.

    This weekend however, tech blog Engadget reported that a "trusted tipster" told it that HP "only ever planned a limited production run of 5,000 units" and "apparently had to re-hire production workers just to get the presses printing out tablets again, and are presently placating angry customers by offering them over $100 off their $800 purchase as apology."

    On its website, HP euphemistically categorized the tiny production run and its incurring delay by saying, "due to extraordinary demand, the HP slate is on backorder. Orders are expected to ship in 6 weeks. Order now to reserve your place in the queue."
     
  2. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    And ladies and gentlemen an example of why only apple fanboys call it an iPad killer.

    HP never called it that. It is pretty clear HP only planned to make it a first run and never was going after the same market. Got to love the apple fanboys making a big deal out of it.
    Clearly HP did not consider it in the same playing field as iPad. They planed on going with a WebOS device for that.
     
  3. *LTD* thread starter macrumors G4

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    Nope.

    EVERY slate/tablet-like device WILL be compared to the iPad - by users, the media, the industry at large. Just like with the iPhone and smartphones, iPods and mediaplayers. It's inevitable. And it's totally natural to do so. It's going to happen so you might as well get used to it. If the device in question doesn't measure up in the comparison the inevitable situation is that it'll have that much more difficult a time gaining any traction.

    Nearly everything in consumer electronics gets compared to the Apple product that is similar in form-factor and function. It makes no difference whether there is actually an intention to make these comparisons.
     
  4. SkyBell macrumors 604

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    Like RP said, this isn't even meant to compete with the iPad, in any way as far as I can tell. So why even bother going to the trouble to make a comparison? Just to tout and gloat about how much better the iPad sold when they're not even in the same market? Shameful.

    Perhaps even more incomprehensible, because demand exceeded supply for the product (about twice as much as expected), you call it a failure? Why, because the number of units is smaller then the iPad? This is really just pathetic at this point. :rolleyes:
     
  5. *LTD* thread starter macrumors G4

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    When a bad Apple device knockoff fails, the excuse is that "hey, it was never meant to compete with (insert Apple product here) in the first place."

    The only thing "shameful" here is that companies like HP keep pushing OBVIOUSLY bad devices, and *then* turn around and say "we only meant to make x-amount of them", which really implies that they never actually cared to make any effort in the first place. Then why even stymie your future chance at mindshare by releasing a dud? Duh.

    Apple's got all these jokers running around in circles and coming up with bizarre (and pretty lame) excuses.
     
  6. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    Let see I see Apple fan site making a huge deal about it which goes back to proof of my fanboy argument.
    I see low level tech sights making a little noise about it but not much. Now the other tech sights I follow have been saying form DAY ONE from when HP announce it and first time they saw the iPad that it was very clear it was not going head to head with it.
    The only groups I see calling it an iPad killer are low and behold apple fanboys and Apple fan sights.

    Low and behold you just prove my point on your own.
     
  7. *LTD* thread starter macrumors G4

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    LOL that's a helluva lot of "Apple fanboys." But if they make the comparison they're probably *all* "Apple fanboys", right? It's a vast conspiracy. :rolleyes:
     
  8. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    reprint no meat. Never really even talks much about it or really even brings in the iPad other than what the sale are. Does not call it an iPad killer or even talk about iPad killer

    low end tech blog. Goes back to my earlier point.
    HP Slate is only in the title. Never really even talk about it. I see nothing of revance in the article.
    Never even talks about an iPad in the article.



    Not going to bother wiht the last one since I see from the first 4 you did not even bother reading the articles and really just continue to prove my original point.
    Only the fan boy are making a big deal about it. Only FANBOYS use the termiPad killer (or iPhone kill ect.)

    I recommend you read the articles before you post them and make yourself look like a fool.
     
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    I believe the HP Slate came out to light before the iPad, so in a sense it isn't an iPad-killer. Neither is it marketed as such.
     
  11. *LTD*, Nov 14, 2010
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    All they need to do is simply mention the word "iPad" and the effect is achieved. Done.

    By the way, that e-week article didn't mention the iPad in print . . . it only had a comparison video about it! Just connect the dots.

    Wait until this HP news spreads around in earnest tomorrow. The internets will be absolutely rife with HP/iPad comparisons, even more so than now.


    It unfortunately makes no difference at all how HP *intended* to market it. HP intended a lot of things - a lot of which are falling totally flat. It all comes down to industry/consumer perception. And right now, perception is working squarely against any current tablet/slate maker that is not Apple. And frankly all that perception is rooted in quite a bit of reality. Apple's head start in this area is considerable. What the iPad offers and represents is also considerable, as evidenced by consumer (and even enterprise) interest, sales figures, and overall demand.

    Whether the HP Slate came out or was conceived of earlier also makes no difference. All of these companies need to compete with Apple quality and mindshare, whether they like it or not, whether they're willing to admit to it or not, whether they planned for it or not.

    No easy task.
     
  12. SkyBell, Nov 14, 2010
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    I've seen this excuse used in the case of the iPhone, and it is indeed just an excuse.
    But the Slate is marketed in the business market only at this point, and you of all people should know by now that Apple is retaining less and less interest in business day by day. Remind me again, what market the iPad is in? Heck, pretty much the only market Apple cares about anymore? Should be an easy one.
    Or maybe they, you know, underestimated demand. But that's right, I forgot; Apple tells the truth 100% of the time, and all competing companies are filthy liars.

    Should I even bother pointing out that I highly doubt you've gotten your hands on one of these things, and therefore your complaints about it are essentially null and void? Somehow it feels like it wouldn't even make a difference. :rolleyes:
     
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    And still you missed the entire point. The Slate is not and iPad killer. Never marketed as such; your blatant usage to anything close to a tablet is by far the worst kind of fanboism I've ever seen.
     
  14. blueroom macrumors 603

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    My question is. If HP only expected to sell 5000 why would they finance and develop it. The cost would have easily exceeded the profit from such a short production run.
     
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    Meh... Post as many links as you want *LTD*, it isn't going to make the HP slate any more of an intended iPad-killer than I am a secret agent.
     
  16. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    My guess is it could of easily just be one part of a larger project and they wanted to get some of the things figured out for a larger scale run. It could easily be the the technology they learn from this short run will go into their next tablet.
     
  17. dmr727 macrumors G3

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    xxxxx-killer.

    Sigh...I think we need a rule where any journalist or PR person that uses this phrase gets immediately muff/junk punched.
     
  18. kdarling macrumors demi-god

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    This headline said it all:

    The H.P. Slate Is Not Trying to Be an iPad - New York Times, Oct 2010

    "While it resembles an iPad, there are some real differences. It functions more like a MacBook Air, in that it runs full-fledged desktop software, not a smartphone version of an operating system."
     
  19. *LTD* thread starter macrumors G4

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    Perfect! The NYT in one breath makes the ill-fated comparison *and* tells us exactly why it will fail (it already has, anyway.)

    Is it even possible for the media to talk about the competition without somehow mentioning the iPad? Probably not.
     
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  21. roadbloc macrumors G3

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    But it's nothing like an iPad. Its a totally different product. Hardly compairable. And how do you know it's already failed? How do you know that this product won't pick up during and after the Christmas season? You have just as much idea as me, which is none.

    The great thing is *LTD* I kind of agree with most of what you say. But your snobbery about apple products is just unessasary and immature. It's almost as if you're asking for an argument/debate with the posts you make.

    So, yes, i agree. Compared to the iPad, the HP slate has failed. It's a shame they are two hardly comparable products.
     
  22. Compile 'em all macrumors 601

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    I agree it is different. Because it is garbage. Sometimes I wish companies like HP and Dell would just burn in some fire. Spewing utter crap onto consumers and always setting the bar low to what people expect from electronics.
     
  23. maflynn, Nov 15, 2010
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    So let me get this straight, HP doing a limited run of their slate, was set for 5,000 units but went to 9,000 far exceeding their expectations and you're trying to spin it as fizzling :confused:

    Even for you LTD, that's a stretch and really, really sad.

    As other stated, only apple fanboys are the only ones calling this a iPad killer, heck, I only see iphone/ipad killer terms here. I'd say that HP is tickled pink at the success of their tablet computer.
     

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