any EU ios 17/ipadOS 17 users ? how's sideloading ?

[casvdijk]

Installed Chrome, Firefox and Edge to see. I’m not 100% certain since I’m not a professional in browsers, but I think it’s still WebKit based…

I’m afraid we’ll be waiting until at least a few updates later, maybe even until February/March… Since the deadline is on March the 6th

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Installed Chrome, Firefox and Edge to see. I’m not 100% certain since I’m not a professional in browsers, but I think it’s still WebKit based…

I’m afraid we’ll be waiting until at least a few updates later, maybe even until February/March… Since the deadline is on March the 6th

try this chrome://version/

 

[makitango]

It will be linked to your Apple ID’s region - not the origin of the device.

Can't be linked to the Apple ID since sideloaded apps are not subject to the ID and you can also use a device without an Apple ID.
Sideloading means being able to do things based on what the OS allows and not the ID provider.

 

[casvdijk]

Can't be linked to the Apple ID since sideloaded apps are not subject to the ID and you can also use a device without an Apple ID.
Sideloading means being able to do things based on what the OS allows and not the ID provider.

My guess is it’ll use the region the device was activated in, which happens before the Apple ID is signed in

 

[Slartibart]

shouldnt matter as both are part of EU

let us know !

this is actually incorrect. Switzerland is not an EU member state.

 

[makitango]

My guess is it’ll use the region the device was activated in, which happens before the Apple ID is signed in

It is very likely to be a result of the article/model number and its ending. This format is already used to apply geo restrictions such as having no access to FaceTime.

 

[Paddle1]

It is very likely to be a result of the article/model number and its ending. This format is already used to apply geo restrictions such as having no access to FaceTime.

It's different restricting access vs granting it, what happens if an EU based user is using an iPhone purchased elsewhere?

 

[makitango]

Then it‘s the same thing

It's different restricting access vs granting it, what happens if an EU based user is using an iPhone purchased elsewhere?

It’s like when you import a product for self use which has not been certified, and the manufacturer is not to be held responsible for imported reselling. They do, in fact, have a product already selling in said markets.

From a legal standpoint, it‘s also not just about the software, and the whole legal complex also involves registration and a permit to sell a product that‘s already adjusted for the target market. Said model numbers and their country codes decide which iOS version gets on which iPhone when contacting Apple software update servers.

 

[contacos]

Installed Chrome, Firefox and Edge to see. I’m not 100% certain since I’m not a professional in browsers, but I think it’s still WebKit based…

I’m afraid we’ll be waiting until at least a few updates later, maybe even until February/March… Since the deadline is on March the 6th

why would the browser engine magically change? Obviously the developers would have to update it and that is not going to be allowed to be published in the store until iOS 17 goes live and even then it isnt even officially coming yet. 🙂

 

[casvdijk]

why would the browser engine magically change? Obviously the developers would have to update it and that is not going to be allowed to be published in the store until iOS 17 goes live and even then it isnt even officially coming yet. 🙂

It was more of a test for wether browsers were anything different yet and not just a skinned Safari…

 

[makitango]

I am also quite curious how the different browsers will fare with their different engines. So you will get an App Store version with the usual WebKit engine and an offline version with their usual engine. Nice

 

[Slartibart]

So you will get an App Store version with the usual WebKit engine and an offline version with their usual engine.

Where does this come from? Any references? Does it really make sense for a developer to maintain 2 versions?

 

[Ansath]

It was more of a test for wether browsers were anything different yet and not just a skinned Safari…

Yea, but since Apps would have to be updated and app using the Xcode for iOS 17 cannot be submitted to the App Store for review a week before iOS 17 comes out (with the app updates being released on iOS 17's release), it's a pointless test......

If they release an update via TestFlight, then that could be tested, but they haven't even had time to do that yet, really.

 

[makitango]

Yea, but since Apps would have to be updated and app using the Xcode for iOS 17 cannot be submitted to the App Store for review a week before iOS 17 comes out (with the app updates being released on iOS 17's release), it's a pointless test......

If they release an update via TestFlight, then that could be tested, but they haven't even had time to do that yet, really.

They don‘t need to submit it to the App Store, they can just test it internally. Iirc, there have already been news of at least Chrome getting tested with its own engine, and it‘s already months old.

 

[makitango]

Where does this come from? Any references? Does it really make sense for a developer to maintain 2 versions?

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[Zorori]

You sure? I visited Tokyo in March and I can’t remember having shutter sound active.

@casvdijk I think as Apple didn’t mention it side loading will arrive with 17.2 or 17.3 (which is the March update)

I have a Japanese 13 mini. Shutter sound is present only while I am in Japan

Live photos are shutter-free, so could be that — or carrier/sim related

Interestingly my UK SE (original) never made a sound in Japan 😵‍💫

 

[Ansath]

They don‘t need to submit it to the App Store, they can just test it internally. Iirc, there have already been news of at least Chrome getting tested with its own engine, and it‘s already months old.

Yes, but my point was actually about how we cannot test it, I was replying to the person who was asking if anyone using the beta could see if they were using a skinned Safari still or not.


Maybe you missed the context of my reply, by ignoring the post I was replying to.

 

[casvdijk]

I’m afraid Apple’s not gonna open up anything until they absolutely have to… Which means it’ll be the 6th of march 2024…

 

[haruhiko]

Is it true it’s locked for Japan ? I live in Japan and when I moved here I had a Pixel 6, when I arrived the shutter sound was force turned on. But I bought my iPhone here. I’ll be back in the EU in august and really hope I can sideload once back there.

It is. Japanese iPhones can never turn off the shutter sound. It’s hardware linked.

 

[Project Alice]

I have a Japanese 13 mini. Shutter sound is present only while I am in Japan

Live photos are shutter-free, so could be that — or carrier/sim related

Interestingly my UK SE (original) never made a sound in Japan 😵‍💫

It is. Japanese iPhones can never turn off the shutter sound. It’s hardware linked.

Hmm🤔

 

[makitango]

It is. Japanese iPhones can never turn off the shutter sound. It’s hardware linked.

I highly doubt that or else third party apps couldn‘t disable it either.
iOS will just check the country code of the model and offer a switch depending on that.

 

[one more]

shouldnt matter as both are part of EU

let us know !

Switzerland is not in the EU, even though they adopted many of the EU rules to make cross-border businesses run smoother. 😉

 

[Zorori]

Hmm🤔

I'll just add to that: I had a Japanese X and 12 Mini -- both behave the same.

 

[sniffies]

The deadline is March 6, 2024.

So, don't expect it until then. It will probably be released in one of the minor bug fix releases iOS 17.2.1 or something.

 

[tarasis]

Right now yes. 🙁

No, there is no such thing yet.