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Any news on TRIM ssd implementation for OS X.

Just take a look around here and see how many users have SSDs in their system.
They wouldn't have those if there were any problems. :rolleyes:

I'm very happy with my SSDs and I didn't have any problems at all.
 
I have a Corsair SSD as my boot drive. It's super fast and has been working like a charm since July. No performance issues at all. Applications launch almost as quickly as if they were in RAM. I actually have no idea about the technical stuff you guys are talking about in here. It hasn't really affected me. There is no reason not to put an SSD into your Mac today and start reaping the benefits. It's the best way to make your MacBook feel like a Mac Pro. :)
 
Another Happy Samsung SSD ("Corsair") User

Thanks to everyone who has contributed great information to this thread, especially killerbee79; it's nice to know my SSD could be going a bit faster with better software/firmware support, but I'm really happy with it as-is.

Here's a warning I found in a NewEgg.com review of the Corsair; can any one verify, or say if there are any new developments on this? I have an early-2009 MacBook Pro (the last removable battery MBP) and the Corsair has no problems for me.

If you have a new mid 2009 Intel Macbook pro with the Nvidia sata chip set do not get this drive. it will not work and eventually will make it appear to be a 2.2TB drive. Hope they get this fixed...Mac says their fault (Corsair) and Corsair says Mac's fault..in the end the customer looses.
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Ok, so i'll be honest in saying despite being pretty tech savvy, I have no idea when it comes to SSDs and had never heard of TRIM until reading a review of an SSD earlier (which eventually lead me here).

My question for those in the know is this:
For SSDs not supporting TRIM (or those running on a system not supporting it - OSX), does a performance degraded drive still run faster than a HDD?

If so then i'm willing to take the plunge, even without TRIM support, since SSD speed vs HDD speed is what i'm after here
 
In case you bought a good SSD, they will still be much faster than a normal HDD.
You might wanna buy an Intel SSD. They don't really loose speed, even without TRIM.
 
ScottishDan said:
My question for those in the know is this:
For SSDs not supporting TRIM (or those running on a system not supporting it - OSX), does a performance degraded drive still run faster than a HDD?
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From what I've read, I'm 99% sure that a "degraded" SSD drive (which I think will even take years to get to that state?) will run much, much faster than a rotating media drive.
 
The question with the lack of trim support, is not only the performance issue.
It is also about the possibility of corruption of data in the disk.
I think this one is the most serious question.
 
ScottishDan said:
Ok, so i'll be honest in saying despite being pretty tech savvy, I have no idea when it comes to SSDs and had never heard of TRIM until reading a review of an SSD earlier (which eventually lead me here).

My question for those in the know is this:
For SSDs not supporting TRIM (or those running on a system not supporting it - OSX), does a performance degraded drive still run faster than a HDD?

If so then i'm willing to take the plunge, even without TRIM support, since SSD speed vs HDD speed is what i'm after here
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This really depends on the manufacturer of the drive. More importantly who makes the controller in the drive as this does all the work. The answer can't be just a yes or no to that. I say this because yes, most SSD's even after degradation are faster than HDD's. Mainly on read speeds (this is where SSDs really shine and make the most difference in real world use along with 4k random writes) However one techy found that Samsung designed SSD's after speed degradation were right back down to traditional HDD speeds. I've provided a link to that below (page 19 of article). It is a lengthy article but tells you everything you need to know about SSDs and is good for a newbie to the technology. Intel is by far the best with not much slow down at all.

Corsair P series drives are rebranded Samsung's
OCZ Summit drives are also Samsung's design
Most others are Indilinx designed controllers and are almost as good as Intel

Also how fast the drive's speed decreases depends on how big a drive it is, how full it is, and how much writing is done to it. With out too much jargon if you have an 80 Gig SSD and only fill it up with 50 Gig the controller will uses the 30 Gig free in it's wear leveling. If it takes 1 month to get that much writing you won't notice any speed degradation until then. Keep in mind even if you never write files yourself the OS is.

Do a complete reboot of your Mac once. Then go into Activity Monitor and click on disk activity. Look at "data written". It will be practically 0. Then do whatever it is you do on your mac for a day and look at disk activity again. It has gone up now. This is how much writing was done. I can have as much as 30 Gig written in one week.

Link for SSD article
http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3631
 
We need to put pressure on Apple, this is freakiiing pathetic.. No bluray, NO TRIM,....

Apple products are getting outdated... come on.

Should I go back to PC? I dunno but i'm getting tempted. Apple has gone downhill recently.
 
thinkbig12 said:
We need to put pressure on Apple, this is freakiiing pathetic.. No bluray, NO TRIM,....

Apple products are getting outdated... come on.

Should I go back to PC? I dunno but i'm getting tempted. Apple has gone downhill recently.
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Not having Blu-Ray on the Mac is certainly no big deal...and TRIM is not even a standard yet.

If these "issues" have you tempted to jump ship, it might be best if you did go back to PC's.

S-
 
sidewinder said:
Not having Blu-Ray on the Mac is certainly no big deal...and TRIM is not even a standard yet.

If these "issues" have you tempted to jump ship, it might be best if you did go back to PC's.

S-
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Bluray should be on their laptops... with the price tag we pay, we should be atleast somehow futureproof with some bluray drives.. I would love to hook up my lappy to my hdtv and watch blurays...

Also, there's Snow Leopard that is complete ****. Constantly getting the freeze ball, SLOWWWWW Wireless :(...

They are going downhill... they need to get better.
 
thinkbig12 said:
Bluray should be on their laptops... with the price tag we pay, we should be atleast somehow futureproof with some bluray drives.. I would love to hook up my lappy to my hdtv and watch blurays...

Also, there's Snow Leopard that is complete ****. Constantly getting the freeze ball, SLOWWWWW Wireless :(...

They are going downhill... they need to get better.
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Blu-Ray is not futureproofing in any way. Flash based storage and downloading will make Blu-Ray obselete at the same time as DVD.

I personally don't get beach balls or slow wireless using snow on either the MacBooks or the iMac.
 
cjmillsnun said:
Blu-Ray is not futureproofing in any way. Flash based storage and downloading will make Blu-Ray obselete at the same time as DVD.

I personally don't get beach balls or slow wireless using snow on either the MacBooks or the iMac.
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Yeah, it wouldn't have been useful at all the last four years to have the latest movie standard, nor in the next 5 or more years before any such standard will even hit the market, let alone be adopted. Apple's decisions aren't always with the consumers in mind.
 
cjmillsnun said:
Blu-Ray is not futureproofing in any way. Flash based storage and downloading will make Blu-Ray obselete at the same time as DVD.
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Bluray sales were up 69% in 2009.

It's going to be a long time before wideband internet makes sufficient penatration that the user can quickly download a 10GB video.

Bluray is not going anywhere.
 
bugout said:
I heard from a little birdy that trim will be in 10.6.3
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With 10.6.3 imminent (some rumors point to today/tomorrow i.e. v soon) it'll be interesting if it does. Haven't seen any meniton on websites listing the list of fixes/upgrades including TRIM support, but I guess we'll see.

Maybe they want to bring it in with new MacBook Pros?
 
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