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Just bought two HDMI cables from Monoprice....neither a any good....This has been going on far too long..the Chinese Mfg do not believe in quality control...its bad for new business....the price of retuning these two would exceed the price of postage to do so....I get nothing out of one and no audio out of the other.
If you apple tv has a problem...replace the HDMI cable & that may do it...if its not from monoprice.
 

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Just bought two HDMI cables from Monoprice....neither a any good....This has been going on far too long..the Chinese Mfg do not believe in quality control...its bad for new business....the price of retuning these two would exceed the price of postage to do so....I get nothing out of one and no audio out of the other.
If you apple tv has a problem...replace the HDMI cable & that may do it...if its not from monoprice.
Let them know. They’ll replace them.
 

bozzykid

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Let them know. They’ll replace them.
I have never once had a bad HDMI cable from Monoprice. However, they have very good customer service so you shouldn't have any problems. Also, make sure you are buying 18Gbps cables if you have a 4K tv.
 

Mrbobb

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I've been using Media Bridge Flex series because they are thinner and supple, no prob, usd$8+ per.
 

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Certification for cables come in a few formats. Pick the one that suits your need. Does not matter who sells them.
https://www.hdmi.org/consumer/finding_right_cable.aspx
e.g. I expect a "High Speed" cable to work with my 4K set up, and they do. They cost me £5 tops. I bought one "Premium" that was £8. Not sure what that equates to in $.

Edit of course this is for lengths where HDMI will work, too long and they will not in any guise. Mine were around 6' in length, longer will cost more.
 

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When it comes to the incredible Apple TV 4K simply buy the Apple recommended HDMI lead. It's something that you only buy once.
I seriously don't understand why people are going against Apple's recommendations on this. Apple no doubt spent time testing this lead before approving it.
Why do some people like to cause stress for themselves. Simply follow Apple's recommendations. The Belkin HDMI 2.1 lead is beautifully made and matches Apple's mains lead design wise for those of us where attention to detail matters!
 

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Have to disagree.

It is not required with HDMI, less costly will deliver exactly the same results. It is over priced for peoples requirements.

If you want to go and waste money then carry on and buy the Apple recommended. It is a free world.
 

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I have never once had a bad HDMI cable from Monoprice.
Ditto. For all I know, there might be user error involved.

They sell some HDMI cables w/RedMere technology which are thinner and have a chip inside. Those are directional. Connect them in the wrong direction (source at the wrong end) and it won't work. Been there, done that w/some Monoprice cables we had at work. I didn't order them. They were in our supply vending machine.

I noticed https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=9923 mentions
Note that Active HDMI cables are directional. Check each end for markings indicating whether it should be connected to the source or the display device. Connecting them backwards will not hurt anything, they just won't work until connected properly.

Note also that only one Active HDMI cable should be present in any single cable run, even if using a switch, splitter, or matrix. Connecting multiple active HDMI cables in series will cause them to fail to reliably transmit the video signal because each is trying to do the same thing.
 

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When it comes to the incredible Apple TV 4K simply buy the Apple recommended HDMI lead. It's something that you only buy once.
I seriously don't understand why people are going against Apple's recommendations on this.
Perhaps they find the Belkin cable too expensive, or it's too short or too long for their needs? Besides, I don't see Apple "recommending" this cable anywhere. They are just selling it in their store (probably because of the huge profit margin).
 

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I've also had no issues with monoprice or other inexpensive options like Amazon basics. I would also recommend Blue Jean Cables, they are priced between the amazon basics and belkin cable but are of great quality and, i believe, the only HDMI cable that is made in the USA. The design is also somehow different (and unique) from other HDMI cables, making it more viable over distance.
 

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When it comes to the incredible Apple TV 4K simply buy the Apple recommended HDMI lead. It's something that you only buy once.
I seriously don't understand why people are going against Apple's recommendations on this. Apple no doubt spent time testing this lead before approving it.
Why do some people like to cause stress for themselves. Simply follow Apple's recommendations. The Belkin HDMI 2.1 lead is beautifully made and matches Apple's mains lead design wise for those of us where attention to detail matters!
Because people might want a length other than 6.5ft. With high-bandwidth cables, you want minimal slack. Any extra cable length just degrades the signal and is more opportunity for interference. My AppleTV is only a few inches away from my receiver, so a 2ft cable is way better. The receiver is a few feet away from the TV, where a 4ft cable is better. That's enough slack for me to be able to pull out the devices and access them, but no more. You would have me use two 6.5ft tables, resulting in 7 feet of unnecessary cable. No thanks.

In terms of aesthetic, I actually think the Monoprice Ultra Slim Certified Premium High Speed HDMI Cable looks better and matches the aesthetic better. Plus it comes in more sizes, which is always better.

Also, where does Apple "recommend" the Belkin cable? They just happen to sell it. Not every accessory in the Apple store is the "recommended" accessory, you know.
 
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If you are using Apple TV 4K and want the best quality, make sure you buy the Ultra HD High Speed HDMI cable else you may end up flickering, no image and etc issue if select the highest quality setting. Before this I am just using a normal HDMI cable and I unable to select RGB High or Chroma 4.2.2 as the image will flickering with popping sound.

Currently I am using Belkin Ultra HD High Speed HDMI® Cable and so far so good, no issue.

http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-AV10175/

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HLL52/belkin-ultra-high-speed-4k-hdmi-cable-2m?fnode=a4
 
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If you are using Apple TV 4K and want the best quality, make sure you buy the Ultra HD High Speed HDMI cable else you may end up flickering, no image and etc issue if select the highest quality setting.
To be fair, there is no such thing as an "Ultra HD High Speed HDMI cable". It is just a made up term that has no specifications attached to it.
 

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To be fair, there is no such thing as an "Ultra HD High Speed HDMI cable". It is just a made up term that has no specifications attached to it.
Previous few years they is no such thing but not now.

I also same though this is marketing gimmick until I realise without high speed HDMI cannot run highest quality RGB high or Chroma 4.2.2 or higher not only in Apple TV 4K but also Ultra HD Blu-ray player. I own both and test both only high speed cable can run in highest setting else the screen will keep flickering with short circuit like popping sound.

In short summary normal not high speed HDMI cable cannot run in highest quality setting for 4K resolution.
 
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Cables are designed for certain uses, lots of different perimeters in the construction. But there is no fairy dust and unobtanium that requires high prices.

"Ultra" seems to have got its certification recently.
https://www.hdmi.org/consumer/finding_right_cable.aspx
https://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_1/index.aspx

Run the cable that best suits your needs, that is all there is too it. If you want to give a snake oil salesperson a bonus then pay silly money. Mine are running fine @60fps and 4:2:2. "High Speed". They cost a fraction of the one in the Apple store. It's your choice.

Edit. Ultra seems more aimed at 8K. Any chance this Apple TV can do 8K? I don't know.
 
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bozzykid

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Previous few years they is no such thing but not now.

I also same though this is marketing gimmick until I realise without high speed HDMI cannot run highest quality RGB high or Chroma 4.2.2 or higher not only in Apple TV 4K but also Ultra HD Blu-ray player. I own both and test both only high speed cable can run in highest setting else the screen will keep flickering with short circuit like popping sound.

In short summary normal not high speed HDMI cable cannot run in highest quality setting for 4K resolution.
Again "high speed" means nothing. Some manufacturers use that to describe 10.2gbps cables. Some refer to cables that are 18gbps cables. That is the number that matters, not a label that a manufacturer majes up.
 

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Again "high speed" means nothing. Some manufacturers use that to describe 10.2gbps cables. Some refer to cables that are 18gbps cables. That is the number that matters, not a label that a manufacturer majes up.
High speed is the most easier way to let consumer know instead of those stupid numbering.

Not everyone and it actually very less people will go read those too technical numbering to understand it.

They is nothing wrong manufacturer use the easier way to let consumer know and understand to choose a correct one.

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Cables are designed for certain uses, lots of different perimeters in the construction. But there is no fairy dust and unobtanium that requires high prices.

"Ultra" seems to have got its certification recently.
https://www.hdmi.org/consumer/finding_right_cable.aspx
https://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_1/index.aspx

Run the cable that best suits your needs, that is all there is too it. If you want to give a snake oil salesperson a bonus then pay silly money. Mine are running fine @60fps and 4:2:2. "High Speed". They cost a fraction of the one in the Apple store. It's your choice.

Edit. Ultra seems more aimed at 8K. Any chance this Apple TV can do 8K? I don't know.
Oh I means Ultra HD High Speed. It means 4K High speed cable not Ultra High Speed cable.

Those Belkin cable selling much cheaper a lot buying outside, no need get from Apple Store.
 
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High speed is the most easier way to let consumer know instead of those stupid numbering.
Personally I find the numbers a lot easier to keep straight in my head than the silly confusing words that are all way too similar. If I need/want an 18gbps HDMI cable, I go search for that on Amazon or go to my local MicroCenter and walk up the aisle until I see "18gbps" on one of the packages.

"High speed," "premium high speed," or "ultra high speed;" and don't forget about "with ethernet" or not. All of that is way too confusing and stupid. In isolation, how is someone to know that "ultra" is faster/newer than "premium"? Yet anyone knows that 18>10.
 

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Personally I find the numbers a lot easier to keep straight in my head than the silly confusing words that are all way too similar. If I need/want an 18gbps HDMI cable, I go search for that on Amazon or go to my local MicroCenter and walk up the aisle until I see "18gbps" on one of the packages.

"High speed," "premium high speed," or "ultra high speed;" and don't forget about "with ethernet" or not. All of that is way too confusing and stupid. In isolation, how is someone to know that "ultra" is faster/newer than "premium"? Yet anyone knows that 18>10.
They is even more. Haha!

https://www.hdmi.org/consumer/finding_right_cable.aspx

But a lot dunno what is gbps.

I think additional label as below is much better.
- 1080p (High Speed),
- 4K HDR (Premium High Speed)
- 8K (Ultra High Speed)
 
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They is even more. Haha!

https://www.hdmi.org/consumer/finding_right_cable.aspx

But a lot dunno what is gbps.

I think additional label as below is much better.
- 1080p (High Speed),
- 4K HDR (Premium High Speed)
- 8K (Ultra High Speed)
You don't need to know what gpbs is, you just need to know what number you need and which number if bigger. That's all.

Nothing about the words "ultra" or "premium" or "ultra" says which is better or bigger. They're completely meaningless words.

Likewise, someone that really doesn't know anything about TVs might think that because the number 1080 is bigger than the number 4, therefore the cable for 1080 is the best.

It's like buying screws at a hardware store. I know I need a minimum #4 screw to hold the weight of whatever. If I buy a #6 screw, that is fine too - it'll be bigger but that's fine - it's overkill. I know a #3 screw isn't big enough. Easy - I don't need to know what those numbers mean, I just know that 6>4>3.

If they called them "high strength screw," "premium high strength screw" and "ultra high strength screw" it would be super confusing.
 

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You don't need to know what gpbs is, you just need to know what number you need and which number if bigger. That's all.

Nothing about the words "ultra" or "premium" or "ultra" says which is better or bigger. They're completely meaningless words.

Likewise, someone that really doesn't know anything about TVs might think that because the number 1080 is bigger than the number 4, therefore the cable for 1080 is the best.

It's like buying screws at a hardware store. I know I need a minimum #4 screw to hold the weight of whatever. If I buy a #6 screw, that is fine too - it'll be bigger but that's fine - it's overkill. I know a #3 screw isn't big enough. Easy - I don't need to know what those numbers mean, I just know that 6>4>3.

If they called them "high strength screw," "premium high strength screw" and "ultra high strength screw" it would be super confusing.
I don't buy your idea and anyway no manufacture use your idea also. Not everything bigger number means better.

Some may also though 1 better than 2.

Most cable box also label for 4K or not now and most people do know 4K better than 1080p nowadays. Your TV also clear label the resolution which means the person if still no idea what kind of cable need to purchase for his/her TV then something very wrong.
 

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