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Any reason not to get the new rMB?

Queen6 said:
Like this one as it made me laugh :) while dealing with some heavyweight paperwork. I done find the rMB bad for my use, and I like it`s clicky nature. Just kind of adjusted to typing a little lighter. That all said there is starting to be better options in the super light notebook category with far more performance than the rMB offers 13.3" Core i5/i7. Just 1.85lbs with apparently a KB with reasonable travel...

Samsung Notebook 9 1.3"

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Problem with the that laptop is Windows hell.

Plus the trackpad with probably be crap as well.

But the price for the specification will be good.

Tradeoffs all the time.
 
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Buerkletucson said:
Oh my... :cool:

I wonder how much is actually a real issue and how much is just in your head due to the fact it is a "different" feel.
Exhausting?
Banging on keys?
Stress on fingers?

Either a major exaggeration or your typing style needs some modification IMHO.
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Oh my... I wonder how much of you liking this keyboard is just "in your head" because you want to like it. Or maybe you have convinced yourself that this keyboard is good to justify the purchase? Not sure. But you apparently read or understood nothing of what I wrote -- and btw, I'm not the only one who thinks this keyboard sucks.
 
ignatius345 said:
Oh my... I wonder how much of you liking this keyboard is just "in your head" because you want to like it. Or maybe you have convinced yourself that this keyboard is good to justify the purchase? Not sure. But you apparently read or understood nothing of what I wrote -- and btw, I'm not the only one who thinks this keyboard sucks.
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I understood it fully, thanks for the highlighted clarification of your issue. :)

So, my non-issue is an issue in your eyes......great logic there and speaks volumes.
 
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ignatius345 said:
Yes, exhausting, and yes, banging on the keys. If you love this thing, that's great for you but let's not pretend it's good ergonomics to have a keyboard with <1mm of travel and a really hard bottom-out to the switch. Since you apparently don't know a lot about keyboards: hitting the switch until it comes to its stop is called "bottoming out", and it imparts stress to the fingers because you're literally hitting up against something solid -- and in this case it's quite solid, as Apple says. There's no way to avoid bottoming out with every keystroke on this keyboard. On a key switch with some reasonable amount of travel, you can use a lighter touch because there's some difference between the actuation point of the switch and the point where you bottom out. And let's not even get into the totally insufficient level of tactile feedback in this thing.
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On this forum, people just assume the other person wants to destroy them with fire and brimstone. I was merely trying to point out it's a fantastic keyboard for a lot of people on these forums, including myself,, and it's not just your opinion that is valid. I also cannot fathom typing in a way that is exhausting or I have to bang the keys...not at all how I type. I also didn't say anything nasty. Yet you respond with "Since you apparently don't know a lot about keyboards..." How condescending and arrogant can a person be? Ok....anyways

I might quote point out a couple of points from your article:
  • "Even though I’m typing quickly and accurately, I hate every single moment. It takes enough force that I feel like I’m stabbing my fingers into a hard surface. I feel the impact in my bones"
  • "12-incher’s keys definitely felt more precise. Less squishy. But I’ll take squishy in a heartbeat."
So here we have a reviewer who admits on the rMB he is typing quickly and accurately, and the keys feel more precise.......except he's typing so hard it feels like he is stabbing his fingers and feels the impact in his bones? That sounds...horrible, painful, ouchy, vicious....again, I cannot fathom typing in such a manner.

Also, I find I can use lighter touch with this keyboard because there isn't as much travel. I also get great feedback because I type softly.

I love it, I type softly.

You hate, you bang away exhaustingly.

I don't insult you, please don't insult me.

EDIT:Redundant word - strikethrough.
[doublepost=1462239147][/doublepost]I also might submit this article to your observation. A reviewer who has the same appreciations that me and others have for the new keyboard. Again, many really like this keyboard for many valid reasons.
 
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OK, so what's the verdict now that we are past WWDC and there is no new hardware?
 
fantasticman said:
So True. They don't care about customer's opinions so you can either take it or leave it.
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Opinions don't pay the piper... Money is what matters. Folks here are a small minority of the overall Apple customer base; we're like a mouse copulating with an elephant believing her trumpeting is due to our coital prowess rather than the thorn she just stepped on.
 
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ghanwani said:
Other than the usual things--no TB and lack of ports--is (are) there any reason(s) not to get the updated rMB?

I'm on a 2010 MBP which which badly needs an update and this is the only machine in the Mac offerings that I like enough to consider.

My other option would be to go back to Windows, perhaps something like a Dell XPS 13. I hear Windows 10 is going to have a full blown UNIX command line, which is one of the features I really enjoy on OS X.

What do you guys think?

Edit: I saw a post suggesting it's better to just wait till WWDC and see what updates are made to the air and pro lines since that's just 7 weeks away. So I think I'll stay put till then.

(update 5/2/16, 6/14/16)

Here are some of the concerns so far:
- Wait till WWDC to see if there are updates to MBP/MBA. [Done]
- Cost (and potential discounts at WWDC). [Done]
- Keyboard -- not suitable if you hit keys hard, lack of tactile feedback.
- No magsafe. [use Griffin Connector.]
- Chrome with BBC + Facetime results in alternate freezing.
- No TB/lack of ports.
- Small screen size.
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All I can say is to get the 13" rMBP. Can never go wrong with that one. The rMB is just not for everyone.

You MIGHT find not enough power or not enough ports on it, buying an adapter would cost you extra money and inconvenience to carry it all the time. You are considering Dell, but this is macrumors after all. I wouldn't personally get one.

You decide.
 
deeddawg said:
Opinions don't pay the piper... Money is what matters. Folks here are a small minority of the overall Apple customer base; we're like a mouse copulating with an elephant believing her trumpeting is due to our coital prowess rather than the thorn she just stepped on.
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Then if you want a change for the better vote with your $$$$ as this is all Apple understands, and references. The rest is sales & marketing spin of which Apple is a master.

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Queen6 said:
Wait or move on, simple as that with Apple you dance to their tune like or loath it.

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So true. I really wouldn't mind waiting except for the fact that my mid-2010 MBP reboots itself twice a day. I've had it previously fixed but the problem has returned. I just need a new MBP. I'll wait it out as long as I can I suppose. It actually runs quite well aside from the random reboots - I had upgraded the RAM years ago and replaced the HDD with SSD 2 years ago. Still - very disappointed is the lack of hardware updates. Hopefully in the fall and that my MBP lasts until then.
 
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I ended up getting one of these myself (m7 + 512GB) and I think it's an amazing machine.
The design is unbeatable, I love both the trackpad and the keyboard (I do know not everyone will agree with this though) and it has the best display I've ever seen on a laptop.

Performance wise, I haven't found any issues so far; I don't consider myself a heavy user by any means, but I do use VMs from time to time as well as Xcode. Granted that I haven't been able to try everything thoroughly, but the tests I've done so far have been very positive. Pretty impressive for such a little machine.

Magsafe is the only think that I really do miss. Oh well, looks like it's going to disappear across the whole MacBook line anyway.
 
When the rMB 2015 was first released many tech bloggers disliked it, but 1 year later many have revised their opinion becoming their device of choice. Its so portable to bring around and forget you are carrying it. Difference between 3lb and 2lb is significantly noticeable. Great for frequent traveler or people with already a primary desktop. Sure, rMB isn't for everyone, but for most normal consumers it is more than enough. We often overestimate what we really need/use. Like my mom packing the whole closet only to go on a 3day vacation.
 
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Since you've been on a Mac since 2010, I'd say wait it out if you can, especially when it comes to switching from macOS to Windows 10. Apple will release a new MacBook in the Fall with macOS Sierra and MacRumors complaining aside, the OS updates look great. Even buying a current Mac and then in a few months seeing what Ivy has been up to might not be a pleasant experience. And a Skylake and Thunderbolt 3 equipped Mac will be future proofed, so unless there is actual hardware failure, it will last at least 5, if not 10 years.
 
Looks like the consensus is no need to wait anymore, decide on whatever is available now.

Looking at the MR buyer's guide, though, the only thing in "buy now" mode is the rMB.
[doublepost=1465947443][/doublepost]I have pretty much decided to stay with mac os for now. I like the integration it offers with the iphone.

jeremiah256 said:
And a Skylake and Thunderbolt 3 equipped Mac will be future proofed, so unless there is actual hardware failure, it will last at least 5, if not 10 years.
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This is a good point. Anyway, my 2010 was painfully slow. I just reset the SMC today and it seems to be doing a bit better. I'll use it more in the next few days and if it feels better, then I'll wait a bit.

ShionoyaTamaki said:
We often overestimate what we really need/use. Like my mom packing the whole closet only to go on a 3day vacation.
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That made me laugh.

Incidentally, I have found that when I travel for leisure, I can get by with my phone and nothing else. If I had an rMB I probably would have taken it, but no way I was taking my 2010 MBP.

For those that have traveled by air with the rMB, do you have to take it out at security?
 
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I traveled with the rMB I (briefly) had and took it out for the TSA morons.

Since they're unable to discern an 11" MBA - which is, according to their own internal regulations, allowed to stay bagged - I assume they would balk at leaving a rMB in the bag for similar nonsensical reasons.
 
jmoore5196 said:
I traveled with the rMB I (briefly) had and took it out for the TSA morons.

Since they're unable to discern an 11" MBA - which is, according to their own internal regulations, allowed to stay bagged - I assume they would balk at leaving a rMB in the bag for similar nonsensical reasons.
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The system board in the rMB is smaller than that in the 11 MBA. Also no fan.
 
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Travel for work internationally, have to that the rMB out the bag, never been asked to take it out the sleeve, next stop Papua New Guinea. Prefer to travel with two systems, now looking at a Lenovo Yoga 900S. First project as secondary, second project as primary.

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Queen6 said:
Travel for work internationally, have to that the rMB out the bag, never been asked to take it out the sleeve, next stop Papua New Guinea. Prefer to travel with two systems, now looking at a Lenovo Yoga 900S. First project as secondary, second project as primary.
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Any laptop size can be in a sleeve as long as it's not obstructed by anything else (hence TSA-friendly backpacks which open up, but leave the laptop enclosed).

If it cannot be in a bag without being removed (like a phone or an ipad) then it doesn't offer any advantage over a regular laptop.
 
ghanwani said:
Any laptop size can be in a sleeve as long as it's not obstructed by anything else (hence TSA-friendly backpacks which open up, but leave the laptop enclosed).

If it cannot be in a bag without being removed (like a phone or an ipad) then it doesn't offer any advantage over a regular laptop.
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Then don't buy one, if it`s such an issue. My own experience from traveling extensively is it`s down to the "operator" frequently it`s easier to remove the electronics than be requested to do the same. The advantage of the rMB is the extreme portability the rMB offers, little else.

As for the TSA who cares, outside of the Continental US, try flying into a foreign countries restricted zone, on one of their military aircraft, thats when security really gets interesting, you will be happy if they only want your notebook out the bag :)

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jmoore5196 said:
I traveled with the rMB I (briefly) had and took it out for the TSA morons.

Since they're unable to discern an 11" MBA - which is, according to their own internal regulations, allowed to stay bagged - I assume they would balk at leaving a rMB in the bag for similar nonsensical reasons.
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Even before I had PreCheck usually they would let an 11.6" MBA through. Technically the guidelines say anything under 13". That said, at airports that lack PreCheck I tend to take it out since my other notebook is borderline and I'm usually traveling with both in the same bag so the incremental effort is marginal.
 
ghanwani said:
For those that have traveled by air with the rMB, do you have to take it out at security?
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I've gone both ways on this. On a couple trips I left it in my messenger bag inside it's Incase Icon sleeve while I took out my work laptop. No issues. I've also taken it out when on other trips, when it was my only computer and riding in a fully packed camera gear backpack.
 
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