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Remember, you child will learn how to use a computer in elementary school at the appropriate developmental age.

I have to respectfully disagree with your definition of "the appropriate developmental age" in this case. My wife - who is also an elementary school teacher - and her school district see no issue in allowing children aged 3-4 to use a computer for age-appropriate activities. It allows them to follow their own interests; if the kid wants to learn about donkeys, he can learn about donkeys; and if he wants to play a matching game, he can play a matching game. There's no reason a kid that age can't do that.

If they already know how to do "everything" on a computer they will likely be bored in class while the teacher gets other children up to speed. This can cause children to become disengaged in school.

I've been using computers for 27 years, I've held job where I teach computer skills to people, and I don't know how to do "everything" on a computer. You really think a kindergartener is going to know "everything"? You should know better.

There are certain ages where things should and should not be taught and education is a very planned process of helping children learn what they should learn at the age appropriate time. It bugs me when parents push their kids to learn everything before they even enter school.

That bothers me, too. That's why we've never pushed him. He has a computer because he asked for one. He reads because he has a shelf full of books, and when he wants to read a book, he goes to the shelf and picks one out and reads it. He writes because he likes to, not because my wife and I have ever told him to. When he gets tired of writing, he puts the pencil down and goes to play with a dumptruck or a ball, or whatever strikes his mood at the time.

It sounds to me like you're trying to vilify people for doing things that you're only imagining that they're doing.

Those kids that are pushed to start reading, given math workbooks, among other things before Kindergarten are usually the ones who end up getting bored in school (and end up not being the highly successful ones) because it becomes so difficult for the teacher to engage the child. Only the best teachers are able to engage this type of child and at the same time move the rest of the class forward all while controlling behavior.

And being one of those teachers yourself, you no doubt wish there were more just like you in the school systems.

My son learned to read from watching us read to him, and from learning phonics at his preschool. Nobody has ever pushed him into reading; he enjoys doing it because he sees his parents doing it so often, and he wanted to learn; same with writing, typing, using a computer, and playing musical instruments. No, he's not as good at any of those things as we are, but nobody's bothered by that.

But just setting little Johnny down in front of a computer to bang and click to "explore" has no real merit in the educational world!

Again, you should know better than to say something like that, because it depends entirely on what the child is doing on the computer.

My son became engrossed in the planets over the summer, when his preschool introduced the kids to the subject. Ever since then, he uses Wikipedia to look up information, which he later asks me about. Because of this, he knows more about the planets and their moons than most of my wife's 5th graders. Not because anybody pushed him, but because that's what he wanted to learn. And I wasn't about to tell him that he's not at an "appropriate developmental age" to start learning that stuff.

You, like many others on this thread, seem to be hung up on the notion that if a kid has a computer that he stops reading, or playing outside, or whatever; that's simply not the case. In fact, my son uses his computer to read more than he does anything else.

And as long as that's the type of banging and clicking he's interested in, I'm sure as hell not going to stop him.
 
I have to respectfully disagree with your definition of "the appropriate developmental age" in this case. My wife - who is also an elementary school teacher - and her school district see no issue in allowing children aged 3-4 to use a computer for age-appropriate activities. It allows them to follow their own interests; if the kid wants to learn about donkeys, he can learn about donkeys; and if he wants to play a matching game, he can play a matching game. There's no reason a kid that age can't do that.

I have to say that I had some very poorly worded parts of my post- I have edited the original post and another one in this thread. While many preschools or schools do practice this with young children, that does not mean it is a good idea. While some preschool organizations do say it is OK to use computers in a preschool, there are very few studies on that age child and computer use. There are many studies however on screen time in general and how that should be limited- especially considering a preschooler is (or should be)awake for only 12 hours in a day.

I've been using computers for 27 years, I've held job where I teach computer skills to people, and I don't know how to do "everything" on a computer. You really think a kindergartener is going to know "everything"? You should know better.
I wasn't literally meaning everything. I put it in quotes to mean everything a preschooler could comprehend on a computer. But I agree-poor choice of words. (I did have a fever at the time- home sick this week) :(

That bothers me, too. That's why we've never pushed him. He has a computer because he asked for one. He reads because he has a shelf full of books, and when he wants to read a book, he goes to the shelf and picks one out and reads it. He writes because he likes to, not because my wife and I have ever told him to. When he gets tired of writing, he puts the pencil down and goes to play with a dumptruck or a ball, or whatever strikes his mood at the time.

Great- you are one of many parents who are making good choices. I didn't mean to imply that anyone here is pushing their kids- but there are so many parents these days that are really only worried about test scores and if their kid can do multiplication by the 1st grade!!! Way too many parents equate grades and ability to success when in fact the #1 factor in a successful person (student or adult) is usually effort!

It sounds to me like you're trying to vilify people for doing things that you're only imagining that they're doing.
I am not imagining the type of parenting I describe. It is real and a real problem. Kids at a second and third grade level are good at outing their parents as well as parents doing this in conferences and after school talks. At times a parent conference can be a sort of confessional situation for parents.

And being one of those teachers yourself, you no doubt wish there were more just like you in the school systems.

I never said I was one of those teachers. I happen to think I am a good teacher and my student's parents usually:rolleyes: agree. I think I do a decent job of differentiating a lesson for various levels of learners (both higher and lower). But I also have much to learn in this area as most everyone does- especially teaching two grade levels.

My son learned to read from watching us read to him, and from learning phonics at his preschool. Nobody has ever pushed him into reading; he enjoys doing it because he sees his parents doing it so often, and he wanted to learn; same with writing, typing, using a computer, and playing musical instruments. No, he's not as good at any of those things as we are, but nobody's bothered by that.

My son became engrossed in the planets over the summer, when his preschool introduced the kids to the subject. Ever since then, he uses Wikipedia to look up information, which he later asks me about. Because of this, he knows more about the planets and their moons than most of my wife's 5th graders. Not because anybody pushed him, but because that's what he wanted to learn. And I wasn't about to tell him that he's not at an "appropriate developmental age" to start learning that stuff.

I think it is great what you did with your son- It is a great resource on space and in fact when book and other resources are not as available it can be used appropriately to engage a child. When I commented on the pushing it was directed at the parents of kids that I have taught that ask me for workbook after workbook to have their child do in their spare time. Not because their child wants to, but because their parents wants to school them 10 hours a day!! It wasn't directed at a great parent like you.

You, like many others on this thread, seem to be hung up on the notion that if a kid has a computer that he stops reading, or playing outside, or whatever; that's simply not the case. In fact, my son uses his computer to read more than he does anything else.

And as long as that's the type of banging and clicking he's interested in, I'm sure as hell not going to stop him.

I never said if a kid has a computer he stops reading- of course it can be the exact opposite. I don't believe I even implied it from what I could tell- I was a bit harsh about "parents" in general and never meant to imply any one one here was one of those parents- of course I have no idea.

There are some fantastic parents out there- and there are some that are completly on the other end. Sometimes it is due to just a lack of common sense (or perhaps brain cells). Often times it is due to socioeconomic reasons or several other reasons beyond their control. Some of my student's parents let kids have sleep overs during the week on school days, have kids go home to an empty house and play video games for three hours after school before the parent arrives, keep a DS in their nightstand (and the child outs themselves in class that they play until 11PM), etc it tends to wear on a teacher at times and can put us at a very big disadvantage. Some of these same parents keep their kids out at a contra dance until midnight just because the parents wants to stay at the dance. Then I deal with the effects on MOnday when the child is falling asleep (or hyped up) in morning meeting. When I have to send kids to the office to sleep for 45 minutes because they are not getting enough at home it can be a bit frustrating. :mad:

Like I said- I don't believe the OP is this kind of parent- however, it just seems unnecessary to buy a 3 year old their own computer.

Thanks for your thoughtful comments (and disagreements):D
 
I forgot to mention that there are parents at my school who "let" (some actually knew it and some were not aware) their second graders watch Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street and........even SAW I and SAW 2. Wow- that last one blew me away- and I thought it was a bit young that a 3 year old on facebook had watched Star Wars the movie.
 
Get the cheapest laptop you can find that will play WoW halfway decently. Then set him up to farm gold. First he repays you for the computer you got him, then you can work out some sort of split after that. Make sure you get enough to cover your broadband and electricity costs. I'd also charge for rent, but that's just me.

May as well teach the little guy the value of a dollar if you are going to start him off on a computer so young.
 
I'm 23, I was allowed to use the Family IBM dos computer when I was 3/4, because of this I was able to learn so many skills that made me such an awesome person today.

I had my own Tandy computer from 5-8yrs old but didn't have my own desktop till I was in 7th grade.

DO get a windows machine, if that is what they learn at school then you should keep the same at home unless you want to constantly spend 90% of your time converting files, figuring out why office 07 word documents don't look the same on office 08.
DO get a desktop, NOT a laptop, the amount of food/liquid/gunk that I have seen destroy these keyboards, you'll be buying a new keyboard once a year, laptops are soo annoying to deal with.
DO tell him/her that if they take care of the machine, that they could get a laptop 'next year'.

PLUS, you get to keep buying new comptuers and give the old one as a 'hand-me-down' to your kid.


AND, your kid will want to use it for video games, soo... yeah windows.

The earlier your kid learns computer skills the better, don't let them start on a mac, I am a 'switcher' to a mac, however you learn sooo many valuable troubleshooting skills by starting on a pc/windows machine.
 
Don't worry

I was worried when I bought an iMac for my 3 1/2 year old son last year. When I walked out of the store I thought to myself, "what have I done?" and I thought it would take him more than a year or two to understand how to use it.

Cut to a little over a year later. . . . my son is 4 1/2 and he reads and writes at a 2nd grade level. His vocabulary is incredible. There are a lot of educational websites and programs your child can use. Within the first month he understood how to log into his account and how to navigate through the folders and find his programs and documents. I set up an account with parental control to limit his access to making changes to the operating system as well as control on websites and content.

Don't worry about buying any kind of computer for your child. . . . just worry about not buying one.
 
I Would definitely get an iBook G3. Theres nothing a child wants more than to impersonate parents, so if your sat in the family room on a laptop, no doubt he wants to be too. The G3's are basically indestructible, and look fun and more childish than any other macs. As a Teenager, i'd definitely get my child a computer at around the age of 3, and would let them be with me when im using one before that.
 
This blows my mind... I was almost 6 by the time I used my first computer (a Mac Plus). And even then I didn't use it all that often... mostly to draw in FullPaint.

Parents... don't let your kids start their life sitting in front of a TV/computer/any type of screen for long periods of time. Get them out into the Real World!

So if you're intent on getting your 3y.o. a computer, at least have him use it in moderation. Just my 2 cents.
 
as others have pointed out the Vtech toys are great for kids. It's not really a laptop, but then again, you son is not learning computer programs.
 
Ynot?

I'm calling BS.

Bwahahahaa!!!

What are you? A junior high school student with nothing better to do than troll message boards and post junk. I guess you don't have any children, otherwise you would probably understand how quickly they learn at a very early age. Why would I set up a user account here and post a message like that? Because you think I like to waste other people's time with BS? I've recorded video of my son during the last few years which shows his development in several different aspects of life, both inside and outside the house and what I said in that post was the truth. He's at a point now where he is working on his own website to keep in touch with his older cousins and other relatives as well as doing video conferences via iChat with his Grandparents and other out of state relatives. The mind is an incredible thing and it's too bad yours is so closed to all the possibilities it holds.
 
I'm calling BS.

You'd be shocked at what kids are capable of learning and remembering. And how capable their little minds are at figuring things out.

My son asked me if Io, Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto have phases like our moon does. He knows the names of those moons because he reasoned that since all the planets have names, then surely the moons do as well - so he asked me their names. So we go out on clear nights and look at Jupiter and its moons through the telescope.

This isn't all that unusual for kids his age. They'll blow your mind sometimes.

Parents... don't let your kids start their life sitting in front of a TV/computer/any type of screen for long periods of time. Get them out into the Real World!

So if you're intent on getting your 3y.o. a computer, at least have him use it in moderation. Just my 2 cents.

Thank you for your 2 cents.

Like I posted earlier, kids that age won't sit and do anything for any length of time without moving on to something else. Not a computer, not TV, not Legos, not basketball, nothing. They don't have that kind of attention span. It isn't an issue.
 
buy him a octo-core mac pro with dual displays and maxed out ram with 8TB of hdd space...:p

seriously...buy him a desktop that too when he is 5-6...laptops for young children might not be a good idea:)

I'm thinking this child is going to need a car to go with his computer as well. Nothing too new though, you know, where he's 3 and all. Maybe an old ford tempo or honda civic or something..
 
One of the main reasons I wanted to learn how to read and write was to use the internet back on a 14KBPS connection. Gives them a reason to WANT to learn and once you do you wont stop.I still vote for an iBook.
 
oh boy... long post ahead...

I'm 18, no kids, but I have a little sister. I was around 5-6 when I first used a computer. It had DOS on it, and I was lost. A year later, I got familiar with Windows 98FE, via my moms HP. We had that for a few years. We moved to a different state, and a few months after moving (I just turned 10 when we moved), it was mine. I started using that to just do some basic stuff, and eventually had to use it for school. I didnt have internet, but it was really good to learn from. I got really aquantied with Windows 98 in general, got to learn HTML and CSS via Microsoft Frontpage, some Office and Works, and the other programs. Also got to have some fun with some basic DX6-DX8 games. I loved working on that. It gave me some basic knowledge of how stuff worked. About 3 years later we moved to another state, and Mom got a P4 Dell with XP SP2. I was 13 at the time, just got into the whole MySpace thing, and was pretty much just learned what the meaning of "slow-a$$ internet" (dialup) really meant. I threw myself into as much as I could to learn about computers and their inner workings. I learned what P2P and viruses were, and had to deal with those. I continually had to learn more, because I was constantally getting yelled at by my Mom to fix the computer. Now, today, I'm in college for a Bachelors of Science in Computer Engineering, and have my room loadd with computers. So, I think of my expierence with computers at an early age a real benefit. I wish both that I would have started sooner and that I would have started just as I had. I dont regret anything about how I learned, only that I knew I had more options then just Windows 98FE. Right now, my sister, is going on 7, and is starting out, pretty much the same way I did, no internet, constant supervision, and shes starting with Ubuntu 9.10 with Educational software installed. She has a blast playing TuxMath, KHangman and TuxPaint. Personally, I think it is great for her to have fun like she is, while still learning. When she gets a little older (next year or so) she is getting an eMac or something along that line, so she can get familiar with Mac OS/Mac OS X. We also have a Wii in the house, and she has mastered using that. She had everything down the 2nd day we had it. If your going to start your kid off with a computer, get them going with something fun. A basic Paint (MS Paint, TuxPaint, etc) would be great for a 3 year old, because it will help them to learn hand-eye coordination at a much faster rate then other kids his/her age. Once they get older, and can read and grasp some concepts of what a computer does and how to operate it, then they can move on to some more educational and productive. Now I'm now saying drop a $2K laptop on your kid and tell them to redesign your PHP/Ruby website, but I'm also not telling you to hide all technology from them either. I was the only one in my house at age 4 who knew how to program the TV and VCR and I could do it eyes shut. I had a Aunt who took the remote away from me, and basically old me I didnt know what I was doing (which in turn caused me to be motivated to prove her and everyone like her wrong, and now I'm the way I am :p). Dont do that to your kid (unless you want them to be 100% geek or 100% fragile with low self esteem).

also, as far as what kind of a computer to get the kid
VTech = NO! (the kid will throw it and both of you will get pissed with it, they are annoying as hell)
iBook = YES! (I'd go for a G3 to start with, then move them to a PB G4)
Small Netbook = YES! (refurb Dell Mini 9's can be had for 250ish if you look hard enough)
eMac = YES! (These were made for educational purposes and originally only sold to educational facilities - check wikipedia if you dont believe me)
 
Like I posted earlier, kids that age won't sit and do anything for any length of time without moving on to something else. Not a computer, not TV, not Legos, not basketball, nothing. They don't have that kind of attention span. It isn't an issue.

I respectfully disagree- it really depends on the child and the activity. My son at just over 2 years old year old stood at an end table and roll a lego train set back and forth studying the parts of it for almost 30 minutes not to mention he sat near it and built (better described as smacked together) lego track. For a 2 year old that is a very long time to engage in something. I have seen kids sit (at that age) and engage in screen time activities (not my own kids) for extended periods of time. Again it depends on the child and the activity.

One of the main reasons I wanted to learn how to read and write was to use the internet back on a 14KBPS connection. Gives them a reason to WANT to learn and once you do you wont stop.I still vote for an iBook.

Yeah, definitely buy a computer because books and other toys simply can't give kids a reason to WANT to learn.:rolleyes:
 
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also, as far as what kind of a computer to get the kid
VTech = NO! (the kid will throw it and both of you will get pissed with it, they are annoying as hell)
iBook = YES! (I'd go for a G3 to start with, then move them to a PB G4)
Small Netbook = YES! (refurb Dell Mini 9's can be had for 250ish if you look hard enough)
eMac = YES! (These were made for educational purposes and originally only sold to educational facilities - check wikipedia if you dont believe me)

tl;dr

In my opinion some kind of leappad would be the best electronic for a three year old. But in all honesty I think books, pens and art supplies are best for a child. Painting and reading with your child will do a lot of good. Raising a child on television and computer games is NOT healthy.
 
I respectfully disagree- it really depends on the child and the activity. My son at just over 2 years old year old stood at an end table and roll a lego train set back and forth studying the parts of it for almost 30 minutes not to mention he sat near it and built (better described as smacked together) lego track. For a 2 year old that is a very long time to engage in something.

That's exactly what I'm talking about - an hour, tops, is about all they'll spend doing one given thing. Not enough time to turn them into couch potatoes or internet zombies. They're gonna walk away and ride their bikes, play catch, read a book, or something else by that time.
 
I feel like "bang" is exactly what's going to happen.

Do you really want your kid subject to MORE computer time at 3?

He'll most likely have a job that will require him to work on a computer all day anyway. Wouldn't you want to him maybe kick a ball around at 3?

Exactly - buy the kid a ball. Tell him to play outside. It's absolutely pathetic that we now WANT our kids to sit in front of a screen at 3 years old. There is no learning like hands on real-world experience. Sitting at a keyboard typing sentences and looking at the Spongebob website are not the ways to the real-world. Do you want your kid to emulate painting and sports, or actually paint and play sports? Let them use computers at home. Bring them outside for social activity at 3.

I have a 2 year old im teaching to read. By 3 I want to have a mac to start teaching him bash and some basic unix command line. Now I'll get him on my lap, go to google and have him spell out Dora or Thomas. And play the flash games at the sites

You want a 3 year old to understand basic Unix and command line? Why? So in 20 years all the understanding of the underlying technology of today can sit in his mind to rot because it's useless? Again, here's what you do. Instead of playing flash games online, go play real games outside. Why don't you just buy him Happy Meals on a daly basis so the fat accumulates faster. It's called physical activity, people.

10:1 odds that this is your first child.

/Jim

Again, exactly. Seems that way for many people here. This thread is beyond sad and sickening. Sitting your child in front of a computer, saying 'go at it', and walking away is just one reason why other nations look at us in disgust. Stand back and look at yourselves for a minute and wonder why.

I feel better.
 
Don't

The only laptop they need at 3 is a little play laptop you get in the toy section. Depend on the child a leapfrog system would be good, but It will be about another 2+ years before a real laptop will be useful to them and they still don't need their own. My son is 7 and uses the laptop but there's no way he would get his own yet. He's simply not responsible enough.

Just my .02

Obsidian
 
Exactly - buy the kid a ball. Tell him to play outside. It's absolutely pathetic that we now WANT our kids to sit in front of a screen at 3 years old. There is no learning like hands on real-world experience. Sitting at a keyboard typing sentences and looking at the Spongebob website are not the ways to the real-world. Do you want your kid to emulate painting and sports, or actually paint and play sports? Let them use computers at home. Bring them outside for social activity at 3.



You want a 3 year old to understand basic Unix and command line? Why? So in 20 years all the understanding of the underlying technology of today can sit in his mind to rot because it's useless? Again, here's what you do. Instead of playing flash games online, go play real games outside. Why don't you just buy him Happy Meals on a daly basis so the fat accumulates faster. It's called physical activity, people.



Again, exactly. Seems that way for many people here. This thread is beyond sad and sickening. Sitting your child in front of a computer, saying 'go at it', and walking away is just one reason why other nations look at us in disgust. Stand back and look at yourselves for a minute and wonder why.

I feel better.

unix has been around for 40 years and i bet it will be around for another 40 years
 
unix has been around for 40 years and i bet it will be around for another 40 years

Not to spill into another discussion, but did you get that exact 40 off Wikipedia? How long were those AT&T "Baby Bells" around that used it? Yeah.

My point was things change, don't let the kids grow up to be a master of one. You missed that though.
 
I have 5 children ranging from 6 to 28 and all have done really good they are all straight A students ,but I would never give my 12y old ,let alone my 14yr old and my youngest the freedom off the net they use our computer and laptops but only when we can monitor there is so much bad out there that children should not see !!! How can u let a 2 and a bit see !!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad: They need to learn with you hellping them
 
I have 5 children ranging from 6 to 28 and all have done really good they are all straight A students ,but I would never give my 12y old ,let alone my 14yr old and my youngest the freedom off the net they use our computer and laptops but only when we can monitor there is so much bad out there that children should not see !!! How can u let a 2 and a bit see !!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad: They need to learn with you hellping them

Why cant chidren be children its a long time old !!! They should be playing .
 
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