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Any Vegetarians/Vegans?
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It's an almost 100% raw book by vegan ironman Brendan Brazier. It's an all natural diet aimed at total nutrition and exercise, a lot of it based on one-step digestion and an alkaline or neutral pH, with an emphasis on high-yield nutrients.
This is the way I see it:
Iscariot mentioned this once in the thread, and this in my mind says it all: There are healthy vegans/vegetarians, and unhealthy vegans/vegetarians. There are healthy meat eaters, and unhealthy meat eaters. I don't think either diet is inherently better, though from what I've gathered from the studies done on human diets, it should consist of around 3-7% meat, and the rest non-meats. Basically, meats are good for you, and give you things you need (not that you can't get them without it, vegans, don't attack me), but in excess, forget it. If you live on 20 lbs. of deep-fried bacon a day, you're pretty much ****ed. That said, my diet mainly consists of cookies...
but I am not a vegetarian or a vegan and probably won't be one. For one, I have never found substitute products that I like, whether it be soy milk, other soy products, tofu (which is not very good for you, by the way), fake meat, et cetera. Most of it comes down to your style of life. Iscariot says he is an athletic vegan. I'm not particularly athletic, but I try to make sure I get atleast 225 minutes (about 3.75-4 hours) of walking or running in a week. This is not an amazing amount, but it is better than nothing. Let's try to keep the attacking to a minimum (I think people calmed down a bit since the beginning of this thread), it's not meat-eating-or-not-eating alone that decides the health of a person; same as its not weight alone that decides the health of a person. I'm 135 pounds, by the way. =] Will it last? Probably not. But hopefully, if I can cut down on these damn cookies, I'll be fine. The cookies are what kill me, as my diet is not horrible otherwise. If anyone is curious, by the way, I like my steaks bloody enough to save twelve dying infants and I do love my steaks.
Peace
Iscariot mentioned this once in the thread, and this in my mind says it all: There are healthy vegans/vegetarians, and unhealthy vegans/vegetarians. There are healthy meat eaters, and unhealthy meat eaters. I don't think either diet is inherently better, though from what I've gathered from the studies done on human diets, it should consist of around 3-7% meat, and the rest non-meats. Basically, meats are good for you, and give you things you need (not that you can't get them without it, vegans, don't attack me), but in excess, forget it. If you live on 20 lbs. of deep-fried bacon a day, you're pretty much ****ed. That said, my diet mainly consists of cookies...
but I am not a vegetarian or a vegan and probably won't be one. For one, I have never found substitute products that I like, whether it be soy milk, other soy products, tofu (which is not very good for you, by the way), fake meat, et cetera. Most of it comes down to your style of life. Iscariot says he is an athletic vegan. I'm not particularly athletic, but I try to make sure I get atleast 225 minutes (about 3.75-4 hours) of walking or running in a week. This is not an amazing amount, but it is better than nothing. Let's try to keep the attacking to a minimum (I think people calmed down a bit since the beginning of this thread), it's not meat-eating-or-not-eating alone that decides the health of a person; same as its not weight alone that decides the health of a person. I'm 135 pounds, by the way. =] Will it last? Probably not. But hopefully, if I can cut down on these damn cookies, I'll be fine. The cookies are what kill me, as my diet is not horrible otherwise. If anyone is curious, by the way, I like my steaks bloody enough to save twelve dying infants and I do love my steaks.Peace
Wow that is almost exactly me. I think I replied to this thread a few months ago but whatever. Yeah for some reason I can not eat any soft meats. I stick them in my mouth and they can not go down my throat. I can only eat crispy bacon, pepperoni, thin salami and sometimes thin jerky.
The Answer - Possibly
This thread turned-out pretty positive in the end.
As a long term vegan I have been both fit and unfit, I'm currently very fit but the key facts are that I have a provably tiny risk of any of the 20th century diseases, I can produce reams of evidence to people who question me, I use a fraction of the earth's resources compared to most and my conscience is clear.
If that sounds smug, well that's just a model you're applying. I don't EVER force my opinions on people, but if they ask I'll tell then. If they question or criticise me I ask them for evidence and a cogent argument. I have not heard a supportable argument for a long time, they all fall apart. At this point my interlocutor generally falls back on abuse, as evidenced in the above thread.
There is no trick to a vegan diet. It's easy. You just need to include variety.
You will not be ill.
You will be questioned by people defending their own behaviour.
It is worth it.
This thread turned-out pretty positive in the end.
As a long term vegan I have been both fit and unfit, I'm currently very fit but the key facts are that I have a provably tiny risk of any of the 20th century diseases, I can produce reams of evidence to people who question me, I use a fraction of the earth's resources compared to most and my conscience is clear.
If that sounds smug, well that's just a model you're applying. I don't EVER force my opinions on people, but if they ask I'll tell then. If they question or criticise me I ask them for evidence and a cogent argument. I have not heard a supportable argument for a long time, they all fall apart. At this point my interlocutor generally falls back on abuse, as evidenced in the above thread.
There is no trick to a vegan diet. It's easy. You just need to include variety.
You will not be ill.
You will be questioned by people defending their own behaviour.
It is worth it.
Raw Vegan
Just as a positive point, I ate at Saf - the new raw vegan restaurant in Clerkenwell (that's London) http://www.safrestaurant.co.uk last night.
I have never tasted such exquisite food. If anything there is more flavour than you can deal with. The head Chef, Chad Sarno, is a bit of a legend. He does a seven course experience for around £35 per head, which is nothing for a restaurant of this quality, that will change what you think about food forever.
Extraordinary.
Its lunchtime and I'm still not hungry...
Just as a positive point, I ate at Saf - the new raw vegan restaurant in Clerkenwell (that's London) http://www.safrestaurant.co.uk last night.
I have never tasted such exquisite food. If anything there is more flavour than you can deal with. The head Chef, Chad Sarno, is a bit of a legend. He does a seven course experience for around £35 per head, which is nothing for a restaurant of this quality, that will change what you think about food forever.
Extraordinary.
Its lunchtime and I'm still not hungry...
Fabulous post .. measured and astute. I too contributed at first and then buggered off after the cavemen made me lose the will to read further.
the value of a vegan diet will now be played out in Superior court once again
aka, that case from 2005 starts for the father ... the mom already got a 30 year sentence for keeping the kids on the vegan diet.
aka, that case from 2005 starts for the father ... the mom already got a 30 year sentence for keeping the kids on the vegan diet.
Retraction Please
This is not true. The offence was not anything to do with the vegan aspect of the diet, it was that they starved their children.
You should withdraw your comments immediately, they are offensive, inaccurate and misleading.
This is not true. The offence was not anything to do with the vegan aspect of the diet, it was that they starved their children.
You should withdraw your comments immediately, they are offensive, inaccurate and misleading.
To be fair to Sun Baked the pages I read had the headlines "Vegan Mother Sentenced" & "Dad's Vegan Starvation Case" & so veganism is certainly being stressed by the reporting medium as being in some way partly to blame. Rot I know but that's what's been peddled and I think that was what Sun Baked was drawing to our attention. (?)
Actually they fed the kids, didn't intentionally withhold food, just a diet that was on the extreme side of the bell curve.
Happens... the kids are said in 2005 they never went hungry and were fed enough that they didn't feel the need to snack between the meals.
The parents just lacked the expertise to properly formulate a nutritional diet, and feared obesity which led to an extremely low calorie diet.
I've lived long term on a 700 calorie diet due to having no money, I turned into a twig but I certainly wasn't starving.
Pizza Hut?
Have you no ambition? My Mother has to go to PH with my Brother's kids, she feels like Morgan Spurlock when she leaves.
If you want a good pizza, ask an Italian. Pizza predates Chicago.
You'd be surprised how little you miss cheese on a proper pizza. Bread, tomato and herbs are all you need. The bread rises and forms big bubbles, the tomato isn't too sweet, fresh herbs.
Your palette changes when you drop dairy, it smells and tastes a little 'off' if you eat it accidentally. I can't even walk down the dairy isle in the supermarket...
I ordered a veggie pizza from Pizza Hut once. It was pretty good.
Have you no ambition? My Mother has to go to PH with my Brother's kids, she feels like Morgan Spurlock when she leaves.
If you want a good pizza, ask an Italian. Pizza predates Chicago.
You'd be surprised how little you miss cheese on a proper pizza. Bread, tomato and herbs are all you need. The bread rises and forms big bubbles, the tomato isn't too sweet, fresh herbs.
Your palette changes when you drop dairy, it smells and tastes a little 'off' if you eat it accidentally. I can't even walk down the dairy isle in the supermarket...
Aisle, obviously. I don't want the trogs thinking that veganism makes you illiterate.
Not at all - I heartily admire people who are able to make the commitment to it, as well as those that also take steps in their everyday life to minimize their impact on the environment. I'm not being sarcastic there either - it really is noble.
I take eating healthy and minimizing my 'carbon footprint' (I guess that's what it's called) seriously, and admire other people who do the same.
Mark Bittman gave a speech at TED where he spoke about the 'industry' of the meat business and how great it's negative impact on the environment really is. If you get a few minutes to watch him talk, it was eye-opening.
I eat meat, but I don't eat it every day and sometimes a week or better goes by without me eating any at all..
I take eating healthy and minimizing my 'carbon footprint' (I guess that's what it's called) seriously, and admire other people who do the same.
Mark Bittman gave a speech at TED where he spoke about the 'industry' of the meat business and how great it's negative impact on the environment really is. If you get a few minutes to watch him talk, it was eye-opening.
I eat meat, but I don't eat it every day and sometimes a week or better goes by without me eating any at all..
B12
If you're vegan, just make sure you take a B12 supplement.
http://macrobiotics.co.uk/articles/dilemma.htm
There is no way to get B12 from a vegan diet, unless the food is fortified. My solution is to eat small amounts of shellfish.
If you're vegan, just make sure you take a B12 supplement.
http://macrobiotics.co.uk/articles/dilemma.htm
There is no way to get B12 from a vegan diet, unless the food is fortified. My solution is to eat small amounts of shellfish.