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VPC has had to be emulated for the PPC, but with this move to OS X perhaps VMWare will jump in. Hardware virtualization is much faster than emulation. Plus, since Windows doesn't care what x86 hardware you are running I would imagine you could dual-boot. Haven't they been talking about running multiple versions of Windows simultaneously on the new multi-core chips sometime in the not-to-distant future? If that's the case, pheraps you could run OS X and Windows side-by-side on the same box.jsw said:
Whatever turns out - there are certainly going to be a lot more options now that Mac will share the same hardware architecture with the rest of the PC world.
I'll take a pm toowdlove said:I'm excited for you jsw. Won't the NDA prevent you from saying much at least here on the forum. I would appreciate it if you could PM me details, pictures would be awesome. Thank you for whatever you to decide.
Assuming I keep my order (likely, but I suppose I might cancel it and use the $$ to buy the next PB rev), I'll post whatever details I'm allowed to, and I'll PM those interested with all the information I can.
I'll read the NDA closely, but I suspect that photos of the innards aren't going to be forbidden, and I'm sure I can at least allude to performance.
However, as has been mentioned in many threads, this is just a box to help developers ensure that their code ports. It's not designed to be blisteringly fast. However, if a hacked-together single 3.6GHz P4 comes even close to a dual-G5, I'll be quite impressed.
I'll read the NDA closely, but I suspect that photos of the innards aren't going to be forbidden, and I'm sure I can at least allude to performance.
However, as has been mentioned in many threads, this is just a box to help developers ensure that their code ports. It's not designed to be blisteringly fast. However, if a hacked-together single 3.6GHz P4 comes even close to a dual-G5, I'll be quite impressed.
These were posted on another website somewhere, before you look.
These benchmarks are running under Rosetta! The code that is being run is emulated.
Sorry I had to make it big, what do you think? The person that run the benchmarks forgot that XBench was compiled for PPC, I guess it shows just how transparent Rosetta is. That's pretty impressive.
These benchmarks are running under Rosetta! The code that is being run is emulated.
Sorry I had to make it big, what do you think? The person that run the benchmarks forgot that XBench was compiled for PPC, I guess it shows just how transparent Rosetta is. That's pretty impressive.
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bidge said:
So, if I'm reading correctly, that machine runs PPC apps under Rosetta at about...what...the speed of a G4/500-600 or so? Not too shabby. A little slower than I thought, but not too shabby.
Yeah, I want more specific details like have apple got their own motherboard? Is the cooling the same as the current cooling, all the little details.
bidge said:
Well regardless of what is in the developer machines, Steve was pretty clear in pointing out that these will be nothing like the machines Apple releases to the (consumer) public. Unconfirmed reports say that the dev machines are regular PMs tweaked to support P4s.
jsw said:
Pls add me to the PM list as well.
Looks like JSW is the person of the hour. JSW, was wondering since your leasing this, and thinking retrospectively with Apple Developer incentives of the past, will Apple assist in promoting your application IF its ready at launch date? I think Apple should be doing this, promoting licensed-compatible MAC OS X software on their site & possibly in print, and or a mention in the next major keynote.
I think the NDA or whatever the agreement is to NOT publish details of the kits performance. Maybe the photos bidge found online was done just after the keynote with Jobs' machine, hehe. Does anyone know with deducing what cpu's Apple is going to get from Intel; or what technology on the Mobo we should hope for? I still am extremely worried, but I think I'll also purchase an iMac G5 revB this summer.
bidge said:
That seems like a bum deal to me.
The more developers Apple has on board, the greater their chances are of expanding their market share.
IMHO if Steve is really serious about enlarging Apple's market share big time, he should be giving these out for free. Not only would he get more developers on board, but eventually Apple would also benefit from a larger selection of apps and programs for their customers to choose from. A win-win situation in my book
absolut_mac said:That seems like a bum deal to me.
The more developers Apple has on board, the greater their chances are of expanding their market share.
IMHO if Steve is really serious about enlarging Apple's market share big time, he should be giving these out for free. Not only would he get more developers on board, but eventually Apple would also benefit from a larger selection of apps and programs for their customers to choose from. A win-win situation in my book
I think most companies could have spent the $999 debating the cost of one of these systems in their 15 minute group meeting this morning. I'm not too sure that this very minimal cost has any impact on a serious developer, but keeps the mac freaks (you and me) from joining the club just to rent this machine.
$999
It's a nominal amount, most companies can lose far more money in equipment depreciation on machines that they buy for their development team.
Basically it's just an 18 month closed end lease. So you know how much it'll cost you upfront for it's use.
It's a nominal amount, most companies can lose far more money in equipment depreciation on machines that they buy for their development team.
Basically it's just an 18 month closed end lease. So you know how much it'll cost you upfront for it's use.
jsw said:
I don't know if you realized but you didn't buy it...you rent it...you have to return it by the end of 2006. I though it's quite expensive for that.
bidge said:It is A 3.6Ghz P4 in a current G5 PowerMac case. It also has to be given back to apple at the end of 2006. I was going to buy one, but not if I had to give it back
I also want to know more about the specs of the machine. I'm sure we'll hear about them when some developers start getting them.
In the Lab at the WWDC I restarted the Mactel and press on delete to see...and like any Clone Box it went into the Bios...as the processor it says P4 and EM64T. I did some google search and it turn out that it is the Intel technology to address 64 bits memory...however, it should be only available on a Xeon...so may be Apple is working on the next Pentium already.
I haven't decided if I'm going to get one yet. I really don't NEED it, as the few little apps I have will convert without a problem.
That's assuming that Apple doesn't weld the machine shut. Maybe I'll head over to the lab tomorrow and see if they'll let us look inside.
That's probably the main reason why they don't want benchmarks published. The developer systems will give no real indication of final performance, especially since they have another year to continue to optimize Tiger for x86.
jsw said:
That's assuming that Apple doesn't weld the machine shut.
Maybe I'll head over to the lab tomorrow and see if they'll let us look inside.admanimal said:
That's probably the main reason why they don't want benchmarks published. The developer systems will give no real indication of final performance, especially since they have another year to continue to optimize Tiger for x86.
szark said:
Go to the second floor on the side of O'Reilly stand, third door down I think, there are two of them open.
absolut_mac said:That seems like a bum deal to me.
The more developers Apple has on board, the greater their chances are of expanding their market share.
IMHO if Steve is really serious about enlarging Apple's market share big time, he should be giving these out for free. Not only would he get more developers on board, but eventually Apple would also benefit from a larger selection of apps and programs for their customers to choose from. A win-win situation in my book
If you make Mac products for a living and you cannot afford to spend $999 to rent a machine for the next year+ to make sure your products run on next gen Macs you should probably take that as a sign that you should do something else for a living.
I can't imagine any commercial companies balking at $999.
Share/freeware guys who code in their basement on the weekends sure, but not people who make their living from the Mac platform.
Lethal
Exactly my thoughts!LethalWolfe said:
The same can be said about pro software. I know many people who are bitching about pro software being so expensive... But hey, spending 1500$ for a nice app that you can use for 2 years and make higher revenue with, is nothing compared to the labour costs one person is causing during that time.
There is a reason why there are so called "consumer apps". The number of amateur users who need really an app like Photoshop or FCP is very limited. And if video editing is really a decent hobby of a private user, then so be it that the person has to spend the same as a pro for this app. There are many hobbies in this world that cost way more than e.g. the Adobe CS and nobody is bitching about it. If you pick a hobby you know about the "extra costs" in advance. I always wonder why people feel so different about it when it comes down to computers and software...
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