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long intro, but I read the whole post...I see your point, as Apple gets bigger the more people it has to please, which leads to rushing products out to meet demand...but in the end..the Iphone 3G is gorgeous and does most of what it's suppose to do, and MobileMe, when working is awesome!! I just believe the influx of tons of people to the iphone 3G and MobileMe are what caused the hiccups, Apple wasn't prepared for that type of rush...they will learn and get better at it...I hope:eek:
 
Amen.

Like another poster said, everyone bitched about lack of 3G. Jobs said they avoided it because of battery. So they did it anyways, battery is an issue, and people are bitching again. They also wanted to bring costs down, bigger battery means more money. And again, tests show the iPhone has probably the best battery life for any other 3G phone. And most can't do half of what the iPhone can as well.

Also, I have very few of the problems that you speak of with the firmware. I've crashed maybe twice when launching an App. Maybe its the App thats buggy and not the firmware. Who's to blame for that?

Secondly, we already know there's a patch around the corner. Vista has been out for a year and a half and its just now becoming stable.

Seriously, just take back the phone. If you're going to whine about it this much then you clearly don't need it.

WELL SAID.
 
And the MobileMe release was deplorable to the point where I just received a letter of apology from Apple and an extra 30 days to my MobileMe account. WTFIT!?

If this were a Microsoft release
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yes but see the two parts i highlighted would never have gone together if it had been Microsoft... letters of apologies and compensation aren't exactly in their vocabulary.
 
The result? A product release like Vista (actually worse if you ask me). Let's think about where we are: The iPhone 3G has absolutely HORRIFIC battery life out of the box; so much so that even the average working Joe has to turn his brand new iPhone 3G into an iPhone1 to get through the day without charging.

BS, it has better battery life than the rest of the 3G phones.

We basically have to manually disable all the features we bought the 3G for in the first place (3G, GPS)...and, what's worse, even some features that we came to rely on in the 1G (WiFi and Bluetooth) now must be disabled to prevent a lunchtime recharge. Could they have used a bigger battery? Of course, but that would have made it milimeters thicker and we all know that in Cupertino, Style >>>> Function.

Again BS. If your phone is functioning properly, once you've turned off all those features it should have better battery life than the first gen.

Add that to the fact that many Apps, while awesome, are unstable.

Its been out a week. Vistas been out 1.5 years.

Much like a Vista machine often crashing when you run an unhappy program, the iPhone now crashes when you piss it off...and I must piss mine off alot. I average about 3-4 hard resets per day when going between applications...and that's not to mention the two times I've actually had to restore my 3G completely because it crashed while installing a program and wouldn't boot up again past the Apple logo...I had to fix it by going into DFU mode and backing up.

RMA, theres something wrong with it.

Or how about the 30 minutes backups we go through everytime we connect to iTunes. And...sweet Lord...don't get me even started on MobileMe. Let's not even mention the HORRIFIC launch that it experienced, but instead we can talk about the blatent lies that Apple sold its customers. It's not "push" and it's certainly not "instantaneous"

Been out a week. Apple has extended the trial period, it is push except from computer to cloud, and that will be push shortly.


as they so boldly claimed time after time. And the shameful thing is that they released it to the public knowing its holes leaving it up to their customers to learn on their own that they had been lied to. Was MMe ready for release--hell no. Did they release it? Of course they did.

Had to release it, ties in with the iPhone and the app store. You havent paid for it yet, your still on your trial period.

All this to say that Apple is becoming what they have built their empire on abhoring. As you appeal to a larger audience, you have larger demands, which strain your development and software more than ever, which all sums up to give you an end product that doesn't quite deliver like it should have on paper. I think Apple starting to learn this the hard way and it just seems a bit ironic to me.

Best customer service in the world. Best computers in the world. Best mobile devices in the world.

Pot. Kettle. Black. Quite honestly, I don't even really blame Apple and I'm honestly not upset with them (in spite of how the above may sound). I'm just soooo sick and tired of Apple taking the narcissistic "holier than thou" approach and trying to build a name by bashing another. I get it. It's hard to develop the iPhone just like it's hard to develop OSX and Vista...but don't insult us by pretending that you're above the crowd. You're not.

Fair enough, the ads suck, I agree.
 
WELL SAID.

...and by someone that clearly doesn't have experience on other platforms.

I spent two years using palm treo 700w and 700 wx on Verizon's EVDO network.
Those phones had at least 2-3 times the battery life that the iPhone does. Were they bulky? Yes, but I could get through more than a day using it. The iPhone barely gets through a day with less than 1/2 the use I put my treos through, and I could change out the batteries on those if I had to, even buying an extended use battery. iPhone, not possible. I'm stuck carrying around a charging cable.
...and the treos were more capable than the iPhone too, albeit in a less pretty way.
 
...and by someone that clearly doesn't have experience on other platforms.

I spent two years using palm treo 700w and 700 wx on Verizon's EVDO network.
Those phones had at least 2-3 times the battery life that the iPhone does. Were they bulky? Yes, but I could get through more than a day using it. The iPhone barely gets through a day with less than 1/2 the use I put my treos through, and I could change out the batteries on those if I had to, even buying an extended use battery. iPhone, not possible. I'm stuck carrying around a charging cable.
...and the treos were more capable than the iPhone too, albeit in a less pretty way.

So are you ditching your iPhone? I'm not trying to push any buttons. Very serious question. I'm curios how many people that try the iPhone are ditching it because of issues they have with it.
 
...and by someone that clearly doesn't have experience on other platforms.

I spent two years using palm treo 700w and 700 wx on Verizon's EVDO network.
Those phones had at least 2-3 times the battery life that the iPhone does. Were they bulky? Yes, but I could get through more than a day using it. The iPhone barely gets through a day with less than 1/2 the use I put my treos through, and I could change out the batteries on those if I had to, even buying an extended use battery. iPhone, not possible. I'm stuck carrying around a charging cable.
...and the treos were more capable than the iPhone too, albeit in a less pretty way.


The Treo 700w had a 312 mhz processor, half that of the iPhone. You could not use data and receive calls at the same time.


I agree that Apple should offer a user replacable battery, but everyone should know what they're getting into when they buy a powerful phone on a power-consuming network with a slim design. It takes no rocket scientist to figure out the result.

EDIT: That Treo's talk time was also advertised as 4 hours and 50 minutes...
 
"Anyone Else See the Irony?"

If you mean all the bitching and moaning for finally getting the features that people bitched and moaned about not having, then yes I do see it.
 
So are you ditching your iPhone? I'm not trying to push any buttons. Very serious question. I'm curios how many people that try the iPhone are ditching it because of issues they have with it.

No. I'm in hook line and sinker because I'm sticking around for the single feature I couldn't get with WM. MobileMe syncing of all devices. I wasn't about to implement an exchange server for home use for that functionality. Plus WM wasn't intuitive enough for my wife.

In the end I realized I was doing the SUV thing with my WM phone, buying the capability I needed 5% of the time when it wasn't optimized for how I used it 95% of the time.

I don't mean to fan flames, so fanboys, relax, but the WM mobile platform is more powerful, and you don't have to be a power user to know that. It's also extremely stable contrary to popular opinion. My iPhone has crashed more in the last week than my 700wx did in a year. WM is a better PIM business device, without question. The OS may not be intuitive, but it has more function. iPhone is a better device for the masses without question; it's easier to use and for functions like media blows WM away.
 
i love how everyone is using that pcworld battery test like it actually means that the iphone 3G has the best battery life of all 3G phones. give me a break they didnt even compare vs the most popular brands so how can it be legit?
 
The 3g Iphone is still the best product for me.

That said, yes as Apple gets bigger its flaws will be exposed just like Microsoft.

Fanbois will continue to slurp 8====> and detractors will continue to try and kick them in the 8 every chance they get.

Why people act like their penis size is determined by their gadgets is beyond me. No need to blindly defend or detract.
 
The Treo 700w had a 312 mhz processor, half that of the iPhone. You could not use data and receive calls at the same time.


I agree that Apple should offer a user replacable battery, but everyone should know what they're getting into when they buy a powerful phone on a power-consuming network with a slim design. It takes no rocket scientist to figure out the result.

EDIT: That Treo's talk time was also advertised as 4 hours and 50 minutes...
I only had the w for six months til the wx came out. You could switch interchangeably between data and phone. On the palms os models 700p that wasn't possible. There's lots of cross-wired error in the differences on those two.

With regard to talk time, all I can tell you is that I could go two days of heavy use on the regular battery. I get barely through one day with moderate-minimal use on the iPhone. They should have made it thicker and put in a bigger battery.

The iPhone definitely boots apps faster but that's not much good considering the really lame apps that are out there. There isn't a single decent PIM replacement yet, and apple's PIM calendar and contacts are a joke when you look at WM offerings like Pocket Informant (which I heard was coming out for iPhone).


and seriously...you can't even begin to consider this as a business device without cut and paste. How on earth could they possibly have left this out this go-round? Is it a restriction of the OS and how the touch screen works? why not at least give a keyboard button for it?
 
The Treo 700w had a 312 mhz processor, half that of the iPhone. You could not use data and receive calls at the same time.

That has more to do with EVDO not doing voice and data at the same time than CPU speed. You will notice none of the EVDO phones do voice and data at the same time. Where as all UTMS phones can.
 
The 3g Iphone is still the best product for me.

That said, yes as Apple gets bigger its flaws will be exposed just like Microsoft.

Fanbois will continue to slurp 8====> and detractors will continue to try and kick them in the 8 every chance they get.

Why people act like their penis size is determined by their gadgets is beyond me. No need to blindly defend or detract.

Pretty much hit the nail on the head

iPhone 3G is a great product that everyone I know with it loves it and wouldn't trade it in for anything

With that said, several of the last few big release days have had major problems and 2.0 software has a lot of bugs

I am sure Apple will fix many things soon but the bigger they get, the harder it is to hide their errors
 
Ahh...

As I round out the day today ready to head out for Friday night dinner and a movie...I have to reflect on this thread as I am forced to leave the house, once again, with my iPhone 3g set to Restore in iTunes while I'm away. Tonight will make the seventh time that I've had the iphone randomly restart and lockup on the apple logo screen. No amount of resetting will get past it. The only solution is to do a full hard reset and restore...a process that takes a couple hours.

I guess even I didn't realize how much irony there really was the day apple released the 3g.

Great job on rushing an unfinished and broken product to market. Excellent Stevie--you've become what you hated.
 
Ahh...

As I round out the day today ready to head out for Friday night dinner and a movie...I have to reflect on this thread as I am forced to leave the house, once again, with my iPhone 3g set to Restore in iTunes while I'm away. Tonight will make the seventh time that I've had the iphone randomly restart and lockup on the apple logo screen. No amount of resetting will get past it. The only solution is to do a full hard reset and restore...a process that takes a couple hours.

I guess even I didn't realize how much irony there really was the day apple released the 3g.

Great job on rushing an unfinished and broken product to market. Excellent Stevie--you've become what you hated.

Dang, that stinks. I'm sorry for your bad luck by my new iPhone 3g is not unfinished and broken like yours so I'm glad Steve released it on July 11.
 
Great job on rushing an unfinished and broken product to market. Excellent Stevie--you've become what you hated.

So return it!

I don't get it. It's obviously not doing what you want it to do. Why keep it? the features are useless if, as you say, the phone keeps resetting on you. I don't care if if it gives you world peace and eternal life. Fat lot of good that'll do you if you can't use the features because the phone's supposedly resetting all the time.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you let Apple keep your money, then you are rewarding them for what you say is a bad product. With NO other product I know of are people so willing to keep something they say is so horrible. You can complain all you want, and you cna threaten to give aApple all the negative feedback in the world. But, they still have your money. And the day enough people take their money back is the day you're gonna see some quick action.
 
All those disagreeing with the OP are not doing themselves any justice. I know it feels like you're sticking up for Apple (or for yourself...as in, reaffirming your decision to choose an Apple product over others), but you're actually doing yourselves a disservice. Not now, perhaps, but most likely in the future.

Here's why: Ok, we get that not everyone is having problems...that much is clear. But what is also painfully clear are the amount of problems many people are having. You cannot deny it, and no matter how many times you tell me that you've gone 4 days on your 3G with all the features turned on and watching video nonstop while talking to your girlfriend in Kandahar, it still doesn't take away the fact that there are serious problems that people are experiencing. Whether it's a systemic flaw, or something isolated to a small batch of phones awaits to be seen, but the point is that regardless of the magnitude of the problem, you have to admit it's a problem and hold Apple accountable. If you don't, then a company becomes more powerful than its consumers and quality and innovation go down the tubes from there...we all know what happens when companies decide to dictate the market rather than listen to their customers.

Don't be complacent. I'm not saying that we should all storm Cupertino, but don't illegitmize someone's serious issues with a product simply because you didn't have the same experience. Just let us know that you didn't have that same experience, maybe offer some help, and go along your merry way.

I know that there are tons of threads about quality issues and phones crashing, and batteries sucking. I know that they are probably getting annoying. But guess what? They're going to persist as long as the problems exist, so the best thing to do is be supportive, get Apple to notice and recognize these issues and, obviously, FIX THEM! Poof - no more whining.

I'm practicing what I preach, and taking back that little bit of consumer power that I have left. I am not buying an iPhone 3G until they fix the issues concerning battery life, quality, and stability. It's going to be tough, and it's going to take discipline, especially for somebody that waited in line for 3 hours for the 1st gen. Actually, even after the debacle that was the 2.0 "upgrade" I still went to the Apple store to buy one. Thankfully, I had the urge to go into the store first and try the demo phones. I am not exaggerating when I say that I had 2 demo phones crash on me within 5 minutes of each other. It may have even been 2 minutes. That was certainly enough to make me think twice...
 
To all that are bashing the OP, take off your fanboy shirt and take a moment to hit the back button a few times. Read the titles of, say, the first 50 threads in this particular forum. Take note of how many of them are titled in a way that they're bitching about this problem or that problem.

Now, take a quick moment to realize what an ass you're making out of yourselves telling the OP he's wrong when about every issue he's pointed out easily has 2-3 threads pissing and moaning about that very issue. Just because your feelings are hurt over the OP comparing your precious Apple to evil big brother Microsoft doesn't make him wrong. Get over it, it's a phone, just a computer, just another company. No one called your mom a slut, so don't shed any tears.

Every company has their ups and downs, but in this case, Apple just messed up. That's all there is to it. Two HUGE product launches, many issues with both. They may not have affected everyone, but they have affected enough of a user base to mar Apple's image quite a bit, even in the eyes of many loyal Apple cult followers. This will happen again as Apple grows, it's just what happens when you have a growing market share, you'll never please everyone all of the time.

No one's saying they won't fix the problems. In fact, I'm 100% certain they will...they have a great reputation to uphold.
 
I feel very lucky to have gotten one of the problem-free iPhones so I understand the frustration of those having issues. I don't understand, though, the people who clearly have defective units spending days restoring and otherwise enduring the problems. The fact that many of us are not experiencing those issues says it's not a universal problem based on poor design or execution as alleged. While it may be true that Apple has dropped the ball on quality control, that doesn't mean all units are flawed. I would be taking my defective phone back to Apple and politely demanding a replacement.

And this while battery life issue...None of the four WM phones I owned prior to this iPhone could touch my iPhone's battery life if they were trying to do all the same things. For one thing, those that had GPS kept it off until it was explicitly turned on. Once on, neither of the GPS-capable phones would last five hours on a single charge. And they didn't have wifi sharing that battery, either. If I ever intended to use the GPS on those phones, I had to use a car charger just so the battery wouldn't die during the drive. And man those phones got hot when trying to do 3G, Bluetooth, and GPS at the same time!
 
I agree with the poster of this thread. Everyone is bashing Microsoft for every little detail. And when apple software/hardware has problems, they dont complain and start bashing steve jobs left and right.
 
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