Anyone else turn off HDR

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by jetjaguar, Sep 23, 2017.

  1. jetjaguar macrumors 68030

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    Having HDR on all the time made some things look ****** so I switched it to 4k SDR and things look much better
     
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  5. jetjaguar thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Samsung ks8000 65”

    Right now I have it set at 4K sdr 60
     
  6. digduggler macrumors 6502

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    I think eventually it will catch up. Early adopter blues.
     
  7. err404 macrumors 68020

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    Recalibrate your HDR profile. Remember that the HDR profile is independent of the SDR profile. I have my KS8000 looking pretty good with both SDR and HDR now, but I will still need to spend some time on calibration when when I have the time. I am using my iPhone 7 screen as a baseline for how SDR content should look.
     
  8. digduggler macrumors 6502

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    Every reviewer has noticed this. It’s not likely the calibration. Upscaling always has issues.
     
  9. JWorld127 macrumors 6502

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    what setting do you use? i need to recalibrate my ks8000
     
  10. richpjr macrumors 68040

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    I watched a couple of hours of programming on it tonight and it looked great. Haven't watched anything real low quality yet to see how it up scales.
     
  11. unobtainium macrumors 68020

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    Yeah the Verge review specifically mentioned up scaling issues with non-iTunes content. Looks like another new product I’ll be holding off on.
     
  12. Macrecon macrumors newbie

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    I thought that that review was too shallow and singel minded. No exploration or details. I wonder if they bothered troubleshooting.
    I mean , they left out that DV was possible at 4k24hz

    I setup mine last night and I don’t see anything of that about SDR looking bad. For me everything looks good.
    Many have found that when connecting a new device to the tv it automatically sets a Vivid mode( mine does too) so that would make SDR movies look bad.
     
  13. xsmett macrumors regular

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    We have to differentiate two things.

    1. The upscaling from 1080p to 4k. The Apple TV is doing that quite good. I can't see a difference when I let my LG B6 do the upscaling instead.
    2. The upscaling from SDR to HDR. This looks most of the times really awful, in my opinion. The colors and contrast get so unnatural that way.

    Therefore my recommendation is turn off forced HDR/DV on any videos. Just if the Video has native HDR/DV put it on.
     
  14. cyb3rdud3 macrumors 65816

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    Actually the verve explained in their introduction why they approached it Lille that as every other review was going oh ah about the menu etc but there is a serious very serious flaw with the Apple TV.

    I don’t get how you think it looks great and it is ok to have to manually change the output mode all the time.
     
  15. piperatthegates macrumors newbie

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    If your TV has HDMI UHD color mode or sometimes called HDMI color mode in it’s picture settings and you turn it on, there becomes no need to switch back and forth between SDR and HDR.
     
  16. Macrecon macrumors newbie

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    Exactly.
    ”Out of the box” yes it may look bad/too vivid. You need to set/calibrate the ATV to your tv. You set it correaponding to your tvs capabilityes. He has an oled 2016. Of course he has to choose a DV mode in order to get a DV picture.

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    ”Hit or miss”
    Ive tried ITunes HDR, SDR, and Plex SDR movies, plus some local tv app. All looked great. So far for my uses it works as it should.

    I was/still little annoyed for the manual switches but actually is really easy until apples adresses it(hopefully) I have it at 4k60hz hdr until We see a movie and the process is ok.
    Siri”settings” change mode, double tap on tv and back to the film.
     
  17. xsmett macrumors regular

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    Theres a big difference between a native HDR Video and one that gets forced to HDR by the Apple TV. That hasn't to do anything with the Color Mode of the TV.

    Some people like the unnatural look that the Apple TV creates when upscaling to HDR. There are people who love the soap opera effect when putting motion interpolation on high settings too. Tastes are different, I guess.
     
  18. cyb3rdud3 macrumors 65816

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    But what if the source doesnt contain HDR? Or what if it was authored with a different flavour of HDR. And then what if you run your Apple TV through a audio visual receiver like any decent home theatre setup should do. Then to compensate for the Apple TV you mess up the setting for all your other sources that were correct.
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    Well if you think it’s ok to go into settings each time there is a different frame rate or different flavour of HDR then I can’t argue against what you like.

    To me this is simply stupid and a seriously retrograde step. Perhaps just perhaps I could forgive a £30 Chinese copy box, but actually no I still couldn’t. It is not a family friendly solution.

    Yes darling I know this £199 box looks ****, but all you have to do is go into settings change the frame rate and it will be ok.

    Two hours later; dad!!! This game looks **** on this £199 box it is too slow and judder but all you have to do is change the frame rate and hdr setting.

    An hour later my wife goes, this £199 box looks **** again. Yup I know little Johnny played a game and changed the frame rate settings. Ah ok should I use 24Hz again. No you are watching a tv programme you should select 50Hz this time.

    I mean seriously they have dropped the ball with this one really really bad.
     
  19. Macrecon macrumors newbie

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    I get it. its not optimal we have 50hz here too;) . But not as bad as i imagined.
    Menu back back back, settings, video, back back search movie again I thought it was like that.
     
  20. Donfor39 macrumors 65816

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    Maybe the mentioned hmdi clolur mode is similar to Sony HDMI enhanced mode.
     
  21. xsmett macrumors regular

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    It is. You need to switch it on to activate HDR for the TV.
    But this has nothing to do with the upscaling from SDR to HDR by the Apple TV.
     
  22. Donfor39 macrumors 65816

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    Thanks I use enhanced mode for Sky Q UHD i.e.4k

    Though my Sony t.v. Is 2015 non HDR model.

    Though I’ll purchase 4k Apple t.v. Anyway and view SDR mode 4K
     
  23. priitv8 macrumors 68040

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    Are you guys saying, that aTV 4K will not let you keep the default UI and all old content in SDR mode and only send the HDR-encoded content in HDR mode?
    Does it really convert all SDR content into HDR on the fly? Is this configurable?
     
  24. digduggler macrumors 6502

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    It does if you have it set to Dolby Vision HDR or 4K HDR. It is configurable in the sense that you can go to settings and change the output, which you might do if you only occasionally played a HDR file. There is no ‘keep native’ setting.
     
  25. Spankey macrumors 6502a

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    Yes. I’ve switched back to 4K SDR. The upscaling is better than my tv. Having SDR programming blown out in HDR was not enjoyable. The Apple TV should switch in the fly between modes the set supports.
     

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