iPad mini Anyone else with a retina Mini not happy with RAM?

[Brian Y]

sometimes-and i do prefer iphone but apple needs to keep up and have the latest and greatest starting with a higher ppi screen.

Really, why on earth does Apple need a higher PPI screen?

Unless you have super-human eyes, you aren't going to be able to see a visible difference between the iPhone PPI and a higher one at normal usage distances. All a higher PPI is going to do is decrease battery life and decrease graphics performance. Plus, it would mean developers would need to re-do all of their graphics, again.

 

[iPodJedi]

Really, why on earth does Apple need a higher PPI screen?

Unless you have super-human eyes, you aren't going to be able to see a visible difference between the iPhone PPI and a higher one at normal usage distances. All a higher PPI is going to do is decrease battery life and decrease graphics performance. Plus, it would mean developers would need to re-do all of their graphics, again.

Your right. I guess I don't need one- i want one but apple needs to start actually competing with the competitors like samsung it is like apple is bringing a "sword to a gunfight". They just aren't putting the best specs into what they claim i the best and most advanced phone.

 

[Skika]

Your right. I guess I don't need one- i want one but apple needs to start actually competing with the competitors like samsung it is like apple is bringing a "sword to a gunfight". They just aren't putting the best specs into what they claim i the best and most advanced phone.

Apple is not playing the specs game. And the reality is:

They dont need to.

Spec wars are stupid and a threat to real innovation.

 

[iPodJedi]

Apple is not playing the specs game. And the reality is:

They dont need to.

Spec wars are stupid and a threat to real innovation.

I am not saying I don't like apple- I have 16. Apple devices.
I just want them to put something in their iPhones and iPads that will really make me say wow- so far since the first ipad they have mainly just improved processors and added little things like the camera or siri or slimmed it down- the only huge improvement was going from the ipad 2 to the retina ipad for the screen.

 

[Altis]

Or the ram and the iOS are fine and developers need to get with it on their apps having poor memory management and borking things up

But the issues are happening with no involvement of any third party apps...

 

[Mackan]

Apple is not playing the specs game. And the reality is:

They dont need to.

Spec wars are stupid and a threat to real innovation.

I would say Apple's money milking on yearly incremental upgrades is also a threat to innovation. If there is no one around to push the specs in a faster way, it would take Apple to year 2020 to offer 2 GB of RAM, due to their greed having no limits.

Now Apple is in total control over how fast the software in their ecosystem can evolve. Developers cannot make games or apps that they would otherwise do if they had 2 GB of RAM. And there would be no excuse to reload tabs in Safari every few minutes, wasting your data plan, together with pure annoyance.

But of course, we don't need 2 GB of RAM, no matter what, according to some people here. It's all about pushing for better memory management, right...

If Apple even introduce an iPad Pro this year, I bet they will give it 2 GB of RAM, but leave the Air and mini still with 1 GB for another year, due to "product differentiation" for the "professionals". I've seen how Apple plays their game, year after year. It's truly innovation...

 

[iPodJedi]

I would say Apple's money milking on yearly incremental upgrades is also a threat to innovation. If there is no one around to push the specs in a faster way, it would take Apple to year 2020 to offer 2 GB of RAM, due to their greed having no limits.

Now Apple is in total control over how fast the software in their ecosystem can evolve. Developers cannot make games or apps that they would otherwise do if they had 2 GB of RAM. And there would be no excuse to reload tabs in Safari every few minutes, wasting your data plan, together with pure annoyance.

But of course, we don't need 2 GB of RAM, no matter what, according to some people here. It's all about pushing for better memory management, right...

If Apple even introduce an iPad Pro this year, I bet they will give it 2 GB of RAM, but leave the Air and mini still with 1 GB for another year, due to "product differentiation" for the "professionals". I've seen how Apple plays their game, year after year. It's truly innovation...

I think apple needs to give the pro great high end specs to make it a successful product.

 

[macfacts]

Other devices advertise based on specs. People see 4GB RAM and say "WOW Look". Get one of those phones with 4GB of ram and put it next to an iPhone 5s. I bet the 5S is faster.

I'll leave out the specs of the two devices in this video. You can decide which is a better web browsing experience.

 

[Brian Y]

I'll leave out the specs of the two devices in this video. You can decide which is a better web browsing experience.

YouTube: video

I'd accept that as a valid test if it wasn't using Chrome. Chrome on iOS is dreadful, and doesn't have access to the Nitro javascript engine.

Using a native browser on one device and a third party one on another isn't really a fair test.

 

[macfacts]

I'd accept that as a valid test if it wasn't using Chrome. Chrome on iOS is dreadful, and doesn't have access to the Nitro javascript engine.

Using a native browser on one device and a third party one on another isn't really a fair test.

Please tell me the excuse you have for the poor safari performance in this video.

And after Safari crashed, I went into settings > general > about > diagnostics and usage > diagnostic and usage data, and guess what I see, "LowMemory" error, aka no more ram left to use.

 

[iSayuSay]

Please tell me the excuse you have for the poor safari performance in this video.

YouTube: video

And after Safari crashed, I went into settings > general > about > diagnostics and usage > diagnostic and usage data, and guess what I see, "LowMemory" error, aka no more ram left to use.

Agreed. I experience that crash a lot on my iPad too, especially when loading heavy sites, sometimes even AppStore. Maybe I would let it slip if I buy a cheap tablet. But I spent $900 for an iPad here, and not just iPad, but the newest, shiniest, A7 64bit powered iPad Air which supposedly the best all around tablet on planet earth?

And now it crashes on its own native browser?

But to be fair though, my 4S hardly crashed like the iPad. It slow as lazy sunday but I couldn't remember it force closing the Safari. Maybe because I don't use it as much anymore, or maybe the iPhone often loads lighter mobile version of websites, while iPad more often use desktop version? Hmm ..

 

[Skygunner27]

I totally agree except for iPad rMini....

I am not saying I don't like apple- I have 16. Apple devices.
I just want them to put something in their iPhones and iPads that will really make me say wow- so far since the first ipad they have mainly just improved processors and added little things like the camera or siri or slimmed it down- the only huge improvement was going from the ipad 2 to the retina ipad for the screen.

For phone purposes, I dislike/out grew the iPhones. I feel that the screen resolution/size sucks and OS is seriously limited compared to the competition when it comes to phones. At the same time I respect the app selection, build quality and light weight OS. I am currently rockin a Jet black Galaxy Note 3 with matching Galaxy Gear and unless Apple changes a great many of things....I will probably never look back.

When it comes to tablets, Apple has the serious edge with the iPad. I have owned the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition, Asus TF201 & TF701T, Xperia Z & Nexus 10. All of them have issues in one way or another. I have owned every generation of the iPad and every year I decide to go "All Android" and end up coming back to iPad. The only thing my iPad rMini lacks is the uTorrent app.
If you are thinking about leaving the iPad for a Android device, think again. The iPad is as good as it gets...

For the record, my wife's 2013 Nexus 7 has been an amazing device...but it lacks the Djay 2 app.

 

[DJTaurus]

I was zooming a photo on facebook and after a while safari suddenly closed..... .... i had only one tab opened. I truly believe that nothing of all these has to do with ram... it seems Apple hasn't yet optimized its apps for the 64 architecture and i guess thats the reason for the delay of 7.1 official release.

 

[MartinAppleGuy]

I'm on my second ipad Mini retina and iOS stutters a lot, crashes if I have more than a couple apps running, etc. I've restored, turned on reduce motion but it still just seems really slow. I understand it could be apps that aren't written to 64bit yet but it's just crazy how slow it is. I'm really thinking Apple should have bumped up ram. Anyone else feel the same way?

The reason I ended up not buying the iPad Air was due to the RAM. Maybe it's just me but I want my devices to last longer than a year before slowing down with new OS's.

 

[Mackan]

The reason I ended up not buying the iPad Air was due to the RAM. Maybe it's just me but I want my devices to last longer than a year before slowing down with new OS's.

Not just you. All the A7 devices should had come with 2 GB of RAM.

 

[MartinAppleGuy]

Not just you. All the A7 devices should had come with 2 GB of RAM.

I soooooo agree! With 64bit processes taking up 30% more space in RAM, the iPad Air's 1Gb of RAM is acting as a 666Mb of RAM 32bit iPad. This was such a step back...

I was really looking forward to the G6630 GPU for the iPad Air as well but in the end it got the G6430. It was the same GPU as the iPhone 5S, yet it has 4X the screen res :/ I know that the output GPU performance was still high (115Gflops) but the iPad deceives better.

I also don't like the way Apple say the iPhone 5S is the most forward thinking phone because of the 64bit architecture. To be honest, the 5S is more likely to slow down (through OS updates) faster than other devices because of the 1Gb of RAM.

I think Apple put 1Gb in there devices only to try and prove a point that specs don't matter. And they failed.

 

[stiligFox]

Returned my iPad Air crashing machine. Returned my 2012 Mini with HDMI issues. Returned my 2010 15" MBP with bad mobo. Only keeper is my 2010 13 MBA! One out of four not bad!

You gotta know when to hold, and when to fold!

*fistbump* I have that same Mac, it's a champ that seem to never give up!

 

[macfacts]

I was zooming a photo on facebook and after a while safari suddenly closed..... .... i had only one tab opened. I truly believe that nothing of all these has to do with ram... it seems Apple hasn't yet optimized its apps for the 64 architecture and i guess thats the reason for the delay of 7.1 official release.

Stop deluding yourself. This is a hardware problem and won't get fixed. Go to Settings > General > About > Diagnostics & usage > diagnostics and usage data, you will see a "LowMemory" error and the date it happened (today in your case).

 

[waremaster]

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the iPhone 4s have only 512mb of ram? And that is a 32 bit device. It is pretty rare to see this amount of low memory errors in the diagnostics logs on the 4s.

The iPad Air /rMini have 1gb and the device is 64bit. So it does stand to reason that memory management for the 64bit architecture does need some work. I do believe that once Apple does some 64bit optimization particularly in the area of memory management these issues will be resolved.

Considering both devices are running the same IOS 7.0.4 I do believe it is indeed the fact that the OS is not refined enough in the area of 64bit.

Stop deluding yourself. This is a hardware problem and won't get fixed. Go to Settings > General > About > Diagnostics & usage > diagnostics and usage data, you will see a "LowMemory" error and the date it happened (today in your case).

 

[vgamedude]

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the iPhone 4s have only 512mb of ram? And that is a 32 bit device. It is pretty rare to see this amount of low memory errors in the diagnostics logs on the 4s.

The iPad Air /rMini have 1gb and the device is 64bit. So it does stand to reason that memory management for the 64bit architecture does need some work. I do believe that once Apple does some 64bit optimization particularly in the area of memory management these issues will be resolved.

Considering both devices are running the same IOS 7.0.4 I do believe it is indeed the fact that the OS is not refined enough in the area of 64bit.

My 4s crashes all the time on safari and reloads worse than the airs I returned. Of course I haven't tried anything like clearing the cache or rebooting in a while so that could be it.

 

[Dmunjal]

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the iPhone 4s have only 512mb of ram? And that is a 32 bit device. It is pretty rare to see this amount of low memory errors in the diagnostics logs on the 4s.

The iPad Air /rMini have 1gb and the device is 64bit. So it does stand to reason that memory management for the 64bit architecture does need some work. I do believe that once Apple does some 64bit optimization particularly in the area of memory management these issues will be resolved.

Considering both devices are running the same IOS 7.0.4 I do believe it is indeed the fact that the OS is not refined enough in the area of 64bit.

Let me correct you. The Retina iPads have MUCH higher resolution than the Retina iPhones and non-Retina iPads. This higher resolution makes complex web pages with graphics take up a lot of memory. Especially when scrolling around. The problem is not 64-bit but it is exasperated by 64-bit.

 

[waremaster]

While I do agree that the Retina display will use more gpu memory keep in mind the iPad 3 and iPad 4 also have Retina displays and also have 1 gig or ram and do not display the same symptoms as the air or rMini. Again it seems to be 32bit vs 64bit it's all about memory management. I believe this can be corrected with IOS 7 optimizations.

Let me correct you. The Retina iPads have MUCH higher resolution than the Retina iPhones and non-Retina iPads. This higher resolution makes complex web pages with graphics take up a lot of memory. Especially when scrolling around. The problem is not 64-bit but it is exasperated by 64-bit.

 

[cRuNcHiE]

How come no one has mentioned memory compression?

I thought in the keynote they said IOS7 would have memory compression as well as mavericks?

 

[Dmunjal]

While I do agree that the Retina display will use more gpu memory keep in mind the iPad 3 and iPad 4 also have Retina displays and also have 1 gig or ram and do not display the same symptoms as the air or rMini. Again it seems to be 32bit vs 64bit it's all about memory management. I believe this can be corrected with IOS 7 optimizations.

You may be right. But that won't be happening until March at the earliest. Six more months and you can get an Air with 2GB. I'm going to wait instead of dealing with this issue any longer.

 

[Count Blah]

You have little choice!

Throwing a tantrum will do nothing.

And assuming that it has NOTHING to do with RAM will do what exactly to fix all the problems?