I bought a 16GB 3G iPad 1 on launch day and have used it almost every day since. I bought a 64GB 3G iPad 2 on launch day because I wanted the extra capacity. I didn't like the backlight bleed on the iPad 2 (my iPad 1 is flawless) so I returned it for a refund. I'll wait a while and see if Apple corrects the issue.
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Anyone go from iPad 2 back to iPad 1?
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We always say something like this in forums like these, but:
Don't assume that the posts in these forums about backlight bleeds (or any other problem reported by users) indicate a widespread problem. User forums tend to be like Emergency Rooms. People go there who are sick. But we don't conclude that because there are lots of sick people there, that everyone is sick.
Sure, some people have trouble with backlight bleed on their panels. But that causes lots of other people to wonder if they do too, so they duck into a closet, turn off all the lights, crank the brightness all the way up and invariably find a few areas of light bleeding. The question isn't whether you can achieve this kind of phenomenon in your tablet, or whether, if you can, it's defective and needs to be replaced. The question is whether, under normal, real-world usage circumstances, when using your iPad for regular purposes, there is a light leak so glaringly noticeable that it interferes with what you're doing.
For some people, this is the case and they've reported that here. For others it is not. I would venture to say that the same thing is true that was of other problems reported on Apple devices in the past - the hype is generated by only sampling reports from the user forums where people who post typically have problems. The trouble-free users (who comprise the vast majority of overall users) are happily using their devices with no need to post.
My iPad2 works wonderfully. If I turn all the lights out and max out the brightness, I can see bleed spots on the edges. But under normal usage, I can't detect any problem spots whatsoever. When I'm watching movies or reading or browsing or typing, there are no distracting problems with the screen. I highly recommend the product.
Don't assume that the posts in these forums about backlight bleeds (or any other problem reported by users) indicate a widespread problem. User forums tend to be like Emergency Rooms. People go there who are sick. But we don't conclude that because there are lots of sick people there, that everyone is sick.
Sure, some people have trouble with backlight bleed on their panels. But that causes lots of other people to wonder if they do too, so they duck into a closet, turn off all the lights, crank the brightness all the way up and invariably find a few areas of light bleeding. The question isn't whether you can achieve this kind of phenomenon in your tablet, or whether, if you can, it's defective and needs to be replaced. The question is whether, under normal, real-world usage circumstances, when using your iPad for regular purposes, there is a light leak so glaringly noticeable that it interferes with what you're doing.
For some people, this is the case and they've reported that here. For others it is not. I would venture to say that the same thing is true that was of other problems reported on Apple devices in the past - the hype is generated by only sampling reports from the user forums where people who post typically have problems. The trouble-free users (who comprise the vast majority of overall users) are happily using their devices with no need to post.
My iPad2 works wonderfully. If I turn all the lights out and max out the brightness, I can see bleed spots on the edges. But under normal usage, I can't detect any problem spots whatsoever. When I'm watching movies or reading or browsing or typing, there are no distracting problems with the screen. I highly recommend the product.
Sigh . . . the issue for most is their preferred way of using the unit they bought. If they see it at that point, and I believe that that's what most of us are talking about, there is a problem. We understand the fact that watching a black screen in a closet without any light and the brightness up to 100 is probably not the usual usage for an iPad user.
This is all factually inaccurate. The 2 is not cheaper to build than the one, thats been proven from supplier reports already. The back is not cheaper or inferior to the 1's, that's been proven from teardown outfits already. The decrease in thickness comes from changing the battery configuration from 2 thicker batteries to 3 thinner ones, as well as moving to a thinner screen element.
You see many posts about people complaining of problems because that's who typically posts in user forums - people with problems. But if you compare the number of posts and posters to the total number of units sold (upwards of 2.6million so far, reportedly), you realize that the problems make up a small percentage that is comparable to any other product - including the original iPad.
Sigh . . . the issue for most is their preferred way of using the unit they bought. If they see it at that point, and I believe that that's what most of us are talking about, there is a problem. We understand the fact that watching a black screen in a closet without any light and the brightness up to 100 is probably not the usual usage for an iPad user.
Read more carefully. I'm not disputing that people have encountered legitimate problems and require fixing or replacement of their devices. I validated that fact already in my post. The OP is not a current owner and is asking whether he should buy, given reports of problems he's heard. It was in that context that I replied, in order to suggest that the few (relative to total sales) reports (many assumed valid) of problems does not indicate an unusually high percentage of affected units.
You're comment "duck into a closet, turn off all the lights, crank the brightness" is bull and I wanted to point that out. I also think someone who comes to a forum is unlike your average buyer. I think if I waited and I read these reports I would have waited. I'll sure as hell wait on the Pad 3.
Edit: By the way I joined this forum because I noticed this issue the minute I powered up my first unit. I wasn't looking for a problem but rather an explanation and to also see what others have experienced.
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I agree with the PP that forums do tend to bring out the problems.. We tend to vent more when things bother us. There is no product in this world that is PERFECT. Someone will always find something.
I am completely happy with my upgrade and would not consider stepping down to the iPad 1. I guess you could make your decision based on a few simple things.. What will you use the iPad for? What features are driving you towards it? Are you loyal to the brand? Do you currently have an iPad? If so, what is making you want to upgrade (space, speed..)?
For me, I upgraded from my iPad 1 for 2 reasons. I didn't have 3G and wanted it and I wanted the camera for Skype when I am away from home. These features were important to me for what I use the iPad for.. otherwise I didn't need to upgrade just to have a 'faster' iPad (although it is nice).
I am completely happy with my upgrade and would not consider stepping down to the iPad 1. I guess you could make your decision based on a few simple things.. What will you use the iPad for? What features are driving you towards it? Are you loyal to the brand? Do you currently have an iPad? If so, what is making you want to upgrade (space, speed..)?
For me, I upgraded from my iPad 1 for 2 reasons. I didn't have 3G and wanted it and I wanted the camera for Skype when I am away from home. These features were important to me for what I use the iPad for.. otherwise I didn't need to upgrade just to have a 'faster' iPad (although it is nice).
Other than the obvious screen issues the unit is great. I'm a first time iPad buyer (I waited for the second gen for the bugs to be worked out. Silly me) and I can't put the thing down. My wife is starting to think it's weird.
Anyway damn the forums and their ability to make people see flaws in their expensive hand screens.
Anyway damn the forums and their ability to make people see flaws in their expensive hand screens.
Lmao, your edit proves his point exactly. No one saying it's not a problem, just that its not nearly as dire as some are putting it.
In any case, no, I couldn't go back to the iPad , despite this being like90% less useful not jail broken. Any time I use any if my roommates iPad 1s I price the difference in speed, weight and usability. On the iPad 2 I never have to reload apps like pulse, flipboard, or friendly whereas on the iPad 1 I did, which,at the time wasn't bad, but now that I'm used to the extra memory I couldn't deal with the subtle lag anymore.
I think that's the most understated diffeerence, my only real complaint about my iPad 1 in comparison to my iPad 2 is the memory difference makes the iPad 2 infinitely more seamless to use.
Edit: oh and the screen difference between the iPad 1 an 2 are actually pretty drastic. I did a comparison with my roommates' original, the ipad 2 wipes the floor in anti glaring (still not the best but a huge improvement), dimness, brightness and color saturation.
We have both iPad one as well as Two, the issues you speak about are non existant, with ours as well as others my friends have
Lastly it is Machined aluminum, not pressed
I don't know, I rather have a cheaper wedding and an iPad
. My husband and I had a fairly inexpensive but perfectly suited to us wedding. We figured there were better things to spend money on.We have both iPad one as well as Two, the issues you speak about are non existant, with ours as well as others my friends have
Lastly it is Machined aluminum, not pressed
OK. I did say pressed and I can admit I was mistaken. But that is how cheap it feels. It's nowhere near the quality casing the original iPad 1 had. Unfortunately after having looked at one closely compared to the 1st gen device I do not think you can convince me that the build quality is up to snuff. I do not like the quality of the 2. I am aware of how forums work where you mostly see people with problems posting. But when I myself went and looked at display models at bestbuy and apple and they all had that problem. So it probably is a bit more widespread than you think.
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Sorry but some are trying to diminish the problem by saying people who post are looking for problems. I say people are looking for answers. But I guess you're right. If you are willing to settle and it doesn't bother you go for it. I made the choice to keep it because the experience outweighs the flaw.
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I don't know, I rather have a cheaper wedding and an iPad
We tried to go as low as possible on our wedding but it started adding up. And adding up. And adding up.
I did go back to an iPad 1 from the ipad 2.
After a month of (I dont even know how many) iPad 2s circulating through this house, trying to get the exact model I wanted, and replacing it multiple times for issues (not just screen bleed), I decided to just say screw it.
I am an Apple freak. But I think, for me, this has all been a sign to not be impulsive for once and just wait for the next one. Coming back to the ipad 1 has been great, and I honestly do feel it is a better build quality as well.
Considering I got a one month old perfect condition 64GB 3G for 500 dollars with case, I truly could not be happier.
it is crazy how I went from standing in line 6 hours the first day to just not caring anymore. Some can live with the issues like the backlight bleed. I couldnt. Not when my iPad 1 has none of those issues.
If I had to point out one thing I miss it is the cooler blue screen of the iPad 2. other then that though, I am content.
After a month of (I dont even know how many) iPad 2s circulating through this house, trying to get the exact model I wanted, and replacing it multiple times for issues (not just screen bleed), I decided to just say screw it.
I am an Apple freak. But I think, for me, this has all been a sign to not be impulsive for once and just wait for the next one. Coming back to the ipad 1 has been great, and I honestly do feel it is a better build quality as well.
Considering I got a one month old perfect condition 64GB 3G for 500 dollars with case, I truly could not be happier.
it is crazy how I went from standing in line 6 hours the first day to just not caring anymore. Some can live with the issues like the backlight bleed. I couldnt. Not when my iPad 1 has none of those issues.
If I had to point out one thing I miss it is the cooler blue screen of the iPad 2. other then that though, I am content.
I was able to get Apple to credit my bank for my gift card. Thank You Apple! Unfortunately, the Apple Store had not gotten any at&t 64GB (that is what they say) so I did not have one on hold for me. I decided to run by BB to check out any deals on an iPad 1 and found a 32GB (I don't think I need 64) returned model that I inspected like mad (no pixels, no bleeding, gorgeous screen, did not show as registered per SN, no sign of use on the back) for $520. I was going to get the $529 new 32GB from at&t but they have a no return policy on that item. No way.
So I have 14 days to see how I like the 1. I am an app closer and don't do anything really intensive so I think I may dig the iPad 1, ESPECIALLY for the $ savings.
Way to go Apple, due to quality issues I have gone BACK in tech and actually may be happier (I actually love the full aluminum bezel of the 1).
We'll see in 14 days or less but at least I have something to try out and play with.
So I have 14 days to see how I like the 1. I am an app closer and don't do anything really intensive so I think I may dig the iPad 1, ESPECIALLY for the $ savings.
Way to go Apple, due to quality issues I have gone BACK in tech and actually may be happier (I actually love the full aluminum bezel of the 1).
We'll see in 14 days or less but at least I have something to try out and play with.
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I don't necessarily agree I have ogled over the iPad since it's launch last year finally this year I was financially capable to buy one and was set on iPad 2 then in the days following the launch I read and read and listened to podcasts like Leo laporte the big consensus seemed to be not huge changes between one and two cameras I don't need I have a smartphone and speed I don't do anything but surf etc then I read on this forum about Verizon's deal and I went to store got a 32g for 400 whereas I would've bought a 16g for 500 I call that a deal and I'm very happy with ipad1 and willing to wait to see what 3 brings
I won't, solely because my reason for going iPad 2 is because I need 3G and not just wifi. But I'll probably still use my first gen one when im around the house and don't need 3G and that's the one closest to me. LOL.
"Let's face it"?
No, not buying it.
Let's face it, a company CAN give you more features for the same price when various things happen such as:
a) components get cheaper
b) market share is large enough that OEM can bargain for suppliers to sell components at cheaper price
c) manufacturer lowers their profit margin by a bit
By your logic of saying that by getting more features for the same price, the product has to cheapen, it means that there is no wiggle room at all in order for more features and cheaper price. That's wrong because there IS wiggle room in many ways.
I want to clarify.. I didn't mean that people only came here to post about issues, but of course if there IS an issue you are going to hear about it. For every negative post there is a positive post. Do I think the iPad 2 is better then the iPad 1.. FOR ME.. yes.. For someone else, maybe not. In the end it comes down to what you want or need it for and your price tag.
I was ready to buy iPad 2 but all the over hype and scalping disinterested me rather quickly. I got my wife and I brand new iPad 1's for $299 at Verizon a few weeks back. IMO $499 is too much for this product but I think it's totally worth it at $299. It's a cool device but paying $200 more to basically have a camera and is a little faster. We have iPhone 4s so a base iPad 1 will do just fine.
I purchased a refurb iPad1 16GB WiFi from Apple while I was waiting for my iPad2 64GB WiFi to get shipped. I missed having a tablet in my life.
Now I have a glut of tablets. Usually one is on the charger while the other is in use. Pretty much an every other day switch for me.
I do like the lightweight aspect of the iPad2. It is much easier to hold in one hand and use. But it also feels a bit more like a toy. I have to remind myself not to drop or manhandle it. Eventually I put it inside a case just to protect it from my mishaps.
On the downside I'm noticing the battery life just isn't as good in the iPad2 as the iPad1. I'm not sure why. If I leave my iPad2 off the charger overnight it loses around 10-15% power by morning. My iPad1 can be left off the charger for 2 days and still show 99% power. Both are loaded with the same apps.
The cameras are an advantage for me because I want to use Skype Video. Other than that, it's a pretty mediocre upgrade.
I think if I could do anything different I would have gotten 3G on my iPad1 refurb. Then it would have the built-in GPS and I'd use it to replace my car's GPS nav.
I have not noticed any other significant differences between the two devices. One side effect of my owning both versions is that I'm not in the market for an iPad3. I'm going Android next. I may upgrade my iPod Touch though. Depends what Apple comes up with.
I'd really like a decent option for mobile photo/video capture for travel blogging. If the Touch comes out with a better camera and LED flash then it goes on my upgrade list.
I doubt iPad3 will come out with any significant improvements beyond a better camera and perhaps an option with 128GB storage. I can't see Apple having an onboard memory card reader.
Now I have a glut of tablets. Usually one is on the charger while the other is in use. Pretty much an every other day switch for me.
I do like the lightweight aspect of the iPad2. It is much easier to hold in one hand and use. But it also feels a bit more like a toy. I have to remind myself not to drop or manhandle it. Eventually I put it inside a case just to protect it from my mishaps.
On the downside I'm noticing the battery life just isn't as good in the iPad2 as the iPad1. I'm not sure why. If I leave my iPad2 off the charger overnight it loses around 10-15% power by morning. My iPad1 can be left off the charger for 2 days and still show 99% power. Both are loaded with the same apps.
The cameras are an advantage for me because I want to use Skype Video. Other than that, it's a pretty mediocre upgrade.
I think if I could do anything different I would have gotten 3G on my iPad1 refurb. Then it would have the built-in GPS and I'd use it to replace my car's GPS nav.
I have not noticed any other significant differences between the two devices. One side effect of my owning both versions is that I'm not in the market for an iPad3. I'm going Android next. I may upgrade my iPod Touch though. Depends what Apple comes up with.
I'd really like a decent option for mobile photo/video capture for travel blogging. If the Touch comes out with a better camera and LED flash then it goes on my upgrade list.
I doubt iPad3 will come out with any significant improvements beyond a better camera and perhaps an option with 128GB storage. I can't see Apple having an onboard memory card reader.
