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Anyone here ever experiment on the Intel G5?
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To me, the DTK is more an interesting curiosity than an actually usable computer. That doesn't stop me from desperately wanting one 
We have people who convert hard earned incomes into tax to spend in impressive amounts to provide impressively little, in impressively poor quality.
I actually own a board (two actually) which was what the board (at the time) was based off of. You could throw a C2D inside, maybe hack Leopard or something on.
Nope, the Apple-modded version was firmware locked so that not only would it not take a Core 2 Duo, it won't even take a Pentium-D (the dual core Pentium 4.) The CPU it shipped is the fastest it can take.
I know one of the Intel engineers that worked on it. (He didn't even know it was for Apple until well after the DTK was released! He just knew it was a custom board for a computer manufacturer.)
WalnutSpice, do you by chance also go by AliceSpice elsewhere? Anyway just responding because I do have one of these developer kits from 2005. Sorry to resurrect an old thread.
At times I have considered selling it, but never actually did partly because of Apple legally coming after me, part because its unique and I like having it and the other part is a bit more interesting and maybe someone here who may have seen one or had one can chime in... On the computer there are two stickers/labels. One placed on top of another, when I removed them they both came up at once, but the original sticker is completely visible but just backwards because your being the back side. The label on top (second label) has a name of someone (I will not release name) I assume is the developer this kit went to with an identifying number. This covers up the original sticker that states, WWDC SPECIAL 6509,Type Serial: WWDC 2005 - CPU, Tiger Lab with an red apple logo. I have always wondered if this could actually be one of the computers at the WWDC in 05, or maybe they had all the kits at the conference and gave them to the developers present and the sticker is of no significance? What do you guys think?
I did have a few accounts under the name AliceSpice. I used it for websites I wasn't going to use much and just have a junk email/ screen name to use but the AOL Account linked to them is now in control of someone else (Someone got the info for it but I had nothing personal attached to it so I just didn't care but aye shoutout to AOL's security).
I was actually going to repost about this here to see if anyone else has had any experience with these, I think I made this post in 2015. I think I may have talked to you on another site and you recognized the "Spice" in my name?
I'd love to ask about the computer, but I don't even know where to begin. I've always loved researching unreleased/ Prototype Apple computers and for me this Pentium 4 in a G5 case is just an absolute unicorn. I think there are maybe 5 or so of these left in the wild with the rest probably sitting in some storage closet in California.
Have you thought of doing a YT video or some sort of blog post about it? If it's still running the original Tiger install or whatever else, it'd be cool to see some benchmarks and performance, would also be interesting to compare against a dual 1.8 or 2.0GHz G5.
There could also be a lot to learn if someone who knew how to get into the nitty gritty and could dissect the early x86 boot loader Tiger used and just poke around some early Intel code that could possibly be easily viewable that's not anymore on official Intel releases
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Sorry for replying to an old post, but does this mean it's locked from even running Windows without patching a regular BIOS to it? If that's even possible?
the reason the DTK does not work with Core 2 Duos and Pentium Ds is the i915G chipset the DTK uses does support any Dual Core CPUs intel locked out SMP from the chipset to stop a repeat of what happened with the 875 chipset and cheap dual socket Xeon boards (also even if Pentium Ds did work Core 2 Duos might not due to the Core 2 Duos requiring a different set of VRM requirements)
a DTK will happily run windows 10 even (save for the GMA900 GPU), but sadly due to this most of the DTKs that are still out there have had their special OS X build erased and replaced with windows at some point...
a DTK will happily run windows 10 even (save for the GMA900 GPU), but sadly due to this most of the DTKs that are still out there have had their special OS X build erased and replaced with windows at some point...
As LightBulbFun says, it can run Windows just fine. It doesn't even need the use of "Boot Camp" because it actually uses a PC-style BIOS boot loader, rather than the Mac-like (and used by nearly all systems now) EFI boot loader.
But... Don't. That system is special because it is the DTK. If you want a machine to run Windows in a Power Mac G5 case, just buy an empty G5 case off eBay and put a modern PC motherboard in it.
Running Windows on the DTK would be like buying one of the ultra-rare Mercedes AMG Diesels (C30 CDI AMG, made for two years only,) then putting in a non-AMG gasoline engine. Removes all the specialness of the model.
But... Don't. That system is special because it is the DTK. If you want a machine to run Windows in a Power Mac G5 case, just buy an empty G5 case off eBay and put a modern PC motherboard in it.
Running Windows on the DTK would be like buying one of the ultra-rare Mercedes AMG Diesels (C30 CDI AMG, made for two years only,) then putting in a non-AMG gasoline engine. Removes all the specialness of the model.
Is this possible to share photos ?
[doublepost=1502662662][/doublepost]Actually, i have one of the DTK, and i have written about this on my blog (in french) : http://www.journaldulapin.com/2016/04/09/dtk-intel-apple/
In fact, it's possible to install Windows XP, like with a real PC, and i have tested the last version of Tiger compatible with this model.
On the motherboard, there is a VGA port (hidden : http://www.journaldulapin.com/2015/...velopment-kit-la-seconde-sortie-video-cachee/ ) and i can't even boot the Mac with a graphic card other than the GMA 900 or the "DVI" card (and it's not a real graphic card, just a DVI controller)
For the OS, you can find the special version on the net, it's not a problem to reinstall Mac OS X on it (but it works only with the Tiger version).
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do you have any leads on this?
I have found both 10.4.1 and 10.4.3 intel installers (sadly i lost the ISO of the 10.4.3 installer but still have a VM i made) but both of those that i found are technically hackintosh distros, and I have not been able to find a real image of an un touched disk/installer
also while trying to find said OS X versions, I found out there was also apparently a 10.4.2 build for the DTK, but i have not seen any pictures of it running, I wonder if anyone has any more info on the 10.4.2 build? from what i can tell it has the build number of 8B1072
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You can find the ISO (and send me a MP, for more information) of 10.4.1 8B1025 and 10.4.3 8F1111A. For the second, there is a "modded" and the original. By the ay, there is no many differences between modded and original : just a different kernel and some Kext (and if i remember, the original files are on the disc).
For 10.4.2, i have never see this version on the DTK.
Actually, i must try to install Leopard or Snow Leopard, but it's a pain with the GMA 900.
And i have another weird "G5 Tower" at home, too : a Xbox 360 SDK (but only the Mac, not the software, sadly)
For 10.4.2, i have never see this version on the DTK.
Actually, i must try to install Leopard or Snow Leopard, but it's a pain with the GMA 900.
And i have another weird "G5 Tower" at home, too : a Xbox 360 SDK (but only the Mac, not the software, sadly)
Interesting; I've never heard of that one. It may have been an Apple-internal build, because I'm pretty sure that the "public" version went straight from 10.4.1 to 10.4.3.
GMA 900 will work fine in Leopard and snow leopard you just need to find the right kexts
but installing it on a DTK will be like any other hackintosh, and being its a P4 you will need a custom/patched kernel... (not that hard tho, I have hackintoshed a few 2002-2006 Pentium 4/M intel PCs)indeed, if you google the build number you find some references to it, but not much... I want to say there was a public build tho or at least an internal one that leaked somewhere, if it was an apple internal build that did not leak, i doubt id be able to find the little info i did.
I had stumbled across one of these by accident and it still runs great
I use it for protools...