anyone use cracked repo for a GOOD reason

[TeamDNA]

Ok i use the sinful iphone repo to get my cracked cydia store apps that i already paid for.

ok because when you purchase an app on one device it doesnt transfer over to the next which it should.

so instead of purchasing the same app 3 times i just use sinful iphone repo to get the apps i paid for

Mywi, 3G unrestrictor, cyntact,quick reply, SNES4iphone,NES3 and more

Is there really anything wrong with that..no

 

[mrblack927]

Wow, you're just trollin up a storm today. Okay, I'll bite...

Yes, there is something wrong with that. Namely, the developers didn't intend for the license to transfer, and just because you think it should doesn't mean you are entitled to circumvent their security measures. Software developers have every right to determine how their software is licensed and at what price. It's your choice as a consumer to buy it or not. If they decide to charge $19.99 for a license that will work on one device for 10 minutes, they can do that. If you don't think the app is worth that, don't buy it. Plain and simple.

There is no expressed or implied ownership in software like this. You can't just say you "own it" because you paid for it once. Yes, most developers will offer an unlimited license for a nominal fee... but by no means are they required to.

If you really do this and you're not just trolling then I feel bad for you, because you really don't see how much this hurts developers who work hard to produce the products they do.

 

[TeamDNA]

no I am not trolling at all. But what you said is BS..

what if the appstore was run like that? and everytime apple releases a new iphone you had to buy the app again People would be PISSED off and there would be outrage .. but its ok on the cydia store

 

[184697]

Wow, you're just trollin up a storm today. Okay, I'll bite...

Yes, there is something wrong with that. Namely, the developers didn't intend for the license to transfer, and just because you think it should doesn't mean you are entitled to circumvent their security measures. Software developers have every right to determine how their software is licensed and at what price. It's your choice as a consumer to buy it or not. If they decide to charge $19.99 for a license that will work on one device for 10 minutes, they can do that. If you don't think the app is worth that, don't buy it. Plain and simple.

There is no expressed or implied ownership in software like this. You can't just say you "own it" because you paid for it once. Yes, most developers will offer an unlimited license for a nominal fee... but by no means are they required to.

If you really do this and you're not just trolling then I feel bad for you, because you really don't see how much this hurts developers who work hard to produce the products they do.

Sorry to say dude but that is BS and I don't know anyone in this world that would ever support that--EVER. I am a software developer and we would never do this to our customers unless we wanted to rip them off and lose a lot of customer base. A liscense should be tied to the user and not hardware. P.S. I am not getting into the Pros and Cons of that. Its too early here. haha.

Ok i use the sinful iphone repo to get my cracked cydia store apps that i already paid for.

ok because when you purchase an app on one device it doesnt transfer over to the next which it should.

so instead of purchasing the same app 3 times i just use sinful iphone repo to get the apps i paid for

Mywi, 3G unrestrictor, cyntact,quick reply, SNES4iphone,NES3 and more

Is there really anything wrong with that..no

One thing I forgot to mention, You might want to contact the developers so they can help you out with your new device. I have never purchased anything on cydnia but I am sure they will help you out in some way. Heck, if they say no, let every one know how much of a rip off they are. But you are wrong for circumventing security. But I understand why.

 

[thelatinist]

One thing I forgot to mention, You might want to contact the developers so they can help you out with your new device.

Also, most if not all Cydia purchases will transfer if you just sign into Cydia using the account you used to purchase the software originally. In any case, advocating using cracked apps is forbidden on this board.

 

[TeamDNA]

Also, most if not all Cydia purchases will transfer if you just sign into Cydia using the account you used to purchase the software originally. In any case, advocating using cracked apps is forbidden on this board.

not for me it didnt .. it charged me twice for a couple apps.. thats when i started to use sinful iphone repo

 

[mrblack927]

no I am not trolling at all. But what you said is BS..

what if the appstore was run like that? and everytime apple releases a new iphone you had to buy the app again People would be PISSED off and there would be outrage .. but its ok on the cydia store

That doesn't make it BS, that just makes it something you don't like. Let's take that example you posed and run with it... What if apple didn't allow app purchases to transfer? Well, for starters, people wouldn't upgrade their phones as readily. That means Apple would lose money. Therefore, they don't do that. The free market dictates that it's better for Apple to allow transfers than not. So Apple chooses do allow it. They are by no means required to.

Do you see what I mean? Any software that transfers to other devices does so only because the developer/company allows it to. You have no right to demand that they do it that way. You are the consumer. You vote with your wallet. If the developer/company decides to enact a different policy and you don't like it, you take your money and go elsewhere. But it does NOT give you the right to breach their licensing agreement.

Cydia store developers decided that they didn't want to allow transfers. It doesn't matter why they decided that... only that they did. It's your choice as a consumer whether you want to buy anything in their store or not. If you do decide to buy, you understand that you are paying for a single-device license. When you upgrade your phone, you have to either pay for another single-device license. If you choose to steal it, then that's your choice. But recognize that it IS stealing.

 

[TeamDNA]

That doesn't make it BS, that just makes it something you don't like. Let's take that example you posed and run with it... What if apple didn't allow app purchases to transfer? Well, for starters, people wouldn't upgrade their phones as readily. That means Apple would lose money. Therefore, they don't do that. The free market dictates that it's better for Apple to allow transfers than not. So Apple chooses do allow it. They are by no means required to.

Do you see what I mean? Any software that transfers to other devices does so only because the developer/company allows it to. You have no right to demand that they do it that way. You are the consumer. You vote with your wallet. If the developer/company decides to enact a different policy and you don't like it, you take your money and go elsewhere. But it does NOT give you the right to breach their licensing agreement.

Cydia store developers decided that they didn't want to allow transfers. It doesn't matter why they decided that... only that they did. It's your choice as a consumer whether you want to buy anything in their store or not. If you do decide to buy, you understand that you are paying for a single-device license. When you upgrade your phone, you have to either pay for another single-device license. If you choose to steal it, then that's your choice. But recognize that it IS stealing.

whatever you say man.. I am going to continue do what i am doing and you are going to continue do what you are doing. No big deal.

ps. its not stealing

 

[TitanTiger]

I disagree. It's BS to pay for an app, then simply because it's not supplied on physical media like with a PC or a Mac, that you can't install the app again and use your same licence key or equivalent measure to have it on your new device, provided of course that you erased it from your old one or the old device is dead and unusable. I'd do the same thing the OP did. That's not condoning stealing apps you never paid for or installing on multiple devices for your buddies.

 

[mrblack927]

Sorry to say dude but that is BS and I don't know anyone in this world that would ever support that--EVER. I am a software developer and we would never do this to our customers unless we wanted to rip them off and lose a lot of customer base. A liscense should be tied to the user and not hardware. P.S. I am not getting into the Pros and Cons of that. Its too early here. haha.

I am a developer too. I have been doing this for many years and I personally wouldn't restrict my software to one device, but I recognize that developers DO have the RIGHT to do that if they wish. It's not "ripping anyone off" because they are aware of the terms of the license agreement before they buy. If they don't like the terms, they don't have to buy. Simple as that.

I disagree. It's BS to pay for an app, then simply because it's not supplied on physical media like with a PC or a Mac, that you can't install the app again and use your same licence key or equivalent measure to have it on your new device, provided of course that you erased it from your old one or the old device is dead and unusable. I'd do the same thing the OP did. That's not condoning stealing apps you never paid for or installing on multiple devices for your buddies.

It's not about physical media or not. I've purchased software on a disc before that was restricted to one computer only. It's the license agreement. Some software companies do it that way. Haven't you seen this before?

whatever you say man.. I am going to continue do what i am doing and you are going to continue do what you are doing. No big deal.

ps. its not stealing

I have no doubt that you will continue to do what you do (steal software), because that's the way of the world. I've made a good living developing software and I accept that piracy comes with the territory. Thankfully, there are enough honest people in the world to outweigh the rotten ones.

 

[thelatinist]

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[dhlizard]

My crystal ball tells me someone is gonna get banned out of this constant barrage of "me against the rest of the forum members" posts.

Remember PC's are Junk ?

We are going down the same path....

 

[Krafty]

My crystal ball tells me someone is gonna get banned out of this constant barrage of "me against the rest of the forum members" posts.

If anyone needs to be right, its you.

 

[184697]

I am a developer too. I have been doing this for many years and I personally wouldn't restrict my software to one device, but I recognize that developers DO have the RIGHT to do that if they wish. It's not "ripping anyone off" because they are aware of the terms of the license agreement before they buy. If they don't like the terms, they don't have to buy. Simple as that.

Darn, this seems like a nice conversation but I am off to work. Who invented work anyway. lol.

Ripping anyone off...poor choice of words. However, we both can agree half the world doesn't read those Agreements. Therefore companies should adapt and come up with better ideas. Think of steam or impulse(driven?), you purchase your game and it follows you anywhere you are. I think you have to be signed in to their software.

My crystal ball tells me someone is gonna get banned out of this constant barrage of "me against the rest of the forum members" posts.

Remember PC's are Junk ?

We are going down the same path....

I'll bite Macs are junk. PCs will always outspec your Macs at half the price. HAHA.

 

[mrblack927]

Darn, this seems like a nice conversation but I am off to work. Who invented work anyway. lol.

Ripping anyone off...poor choice of words. However, we both can agree half the world doesn't read those Agreements. Therefore companies should adapt and come up with better ideas. Think of steam or impulse(driven?), you purchase your game and it follows you anywhere you are. I think you have to be signed in to their software.

I fully agree. I think all software companies should have user-based, hardware-independent licenses. All I'm saying is that if a company does choose to limit their software to a limited number of devices, resorting to piracy is not the answer.

I just recently bought a piece of desktop software and it said right upfront (in red bold letters) "License for one computer: $119". Then it said additional licenses for other computers can be purchased for $50 each. I know what the software does and I know that it's well-worth it, so I bought 2 licenses for $169. I didn't buy one and then spoof the other machine so that it would run on both of my comps, because that would be just as bad as pirating it in the first place.

As for this discussion, it sounds like (according to thelatinist) Cydia actually does support user-based licenses. It seems that TeamDNA either couldn't get it to work right, or (much more likely), is just looking for a fight. So I think we should just let this thread die. All it's doing is raising awareness of the sinful repo anyway...

 

[labman]

I'll bite Macs are junk. PCs will always outspec your Macs at half the price. HAHA.

He is actuly referring to a banned member of this forum. Not pc vs apple but glad to know where ya stand.

 

[TitanTiger]

It's not about physical media or not. I've purchased software on a disc before that was restricted to one computer only. It's the license agreement. Some software companies do it that way. Haven't you seen this before?

Restricted to one computer at a time makes sense. Telling me I can't remove it from my old machine and install it on my current one is BS.

 

[labman]

Restricted to one computer at a time makes sense. Telling me I can't remove it from my old machine and install it on my current one is BS.

There are dev's that sell licenses all the time that is perdevice. Or per computer when you agree to the terms your expected to abide by them now if the company or the Dev go after you is another matter. Funny how people figure they can make there own rules up all the time. You could just not by the product.

 

[spamdumpster]

This thread is all sorts of messed up.

First some responses are confusing what devs actually do (and have the right to do) and what devs should do.

Second, very few responses actually address the OP's question, which asks whether there is a good reason for pirating apps. The OP admitted he was pirating apps and wanted people's opinions for whether there's ever a good reason to do so. Responding that it's stealing isn't much of a response as the OP admitted stealing and asked whether there can ever be a good reason to steal.

OP, my $0.02: I think there are a few good reasons to use cracked apps, but all involve coming to terms with the fact that you're stealing. One of the reasons is the one you mentioned -- so you don't have to buy an app again. Still stealing though. Another good reason is to try out apps that don't offer a free trial. Again, this is still stealing, but it's ok in my opinion -- but only if you actually have the intent of buying the app if you like it AND you have the discipline to actually delete or buy the app after a very short period of time.

 

[err404]

ps. its not stealing

Responding that it's stealing isn't much of a response as the OP admitted stealing and asked whether there can ever be a good reason to steal.

That's the problem, OP is taking the position that it is NOT stealing and is getting pissed when people disagree with him.

I agree wit OP that it not stealing (neither is downloading music/movies) but it is copyright infringement. There is a subtle but important difference. In the case of OP, he is trying to do the right thing and has bought the apps in the past. Little harm is being done; however, I would recommend OP contact the Dev for each app he is using to see if they can correct the license issue without circumventing the regular repo. At a minimum, he is supporting demand for hacked repos which is not in his or the developers best interest.
Bring light to the issue with Cydia's license, don't circumvent it.

 

[TitanTiger]

There are dev's that sell licenses all the time that is perdevice. Or per computer when you agree to the terms your expected to abide by them now if the company or the Dev go after you is another matter. Funny how people figure they can make there own rules up all the time. You could just not by the product.

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy into that silliness. I paid for the app. The dev got the money for the sale. I move the app to my new box/device. I still have one copy of the app, he still has one payment. He's lost nothing, I've gained nothing from him I didn't already have legally. It's not stealing just because someone puts obtuse language in there making it seem so.

Had I installed the app on multiple devices without paying for extra to use it on them (whether it's other devices of my own or my friends), I get it. That's wrong. I should pay for extra licenses. If I was using a cracked app to get a free upgrade, yes, that's wrong. But what I've described above is not stealing.

 

[Benji222]

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy into that silliness. I paid for the app. The dev got the money for the sale. I move the app to my new box/device. I still have one copy of the app, he still has one payment. He's lost nothing, I've gained nothing from him I didn't already have legally. It's not stealing just because someone puts obtuse language in there making it seem so.

Had I installed the app on multiple devices without paying for extra to use it on them (whether it's other devices of my own or my friends), I get it. That's wrong. I should pay for extra licenses. If I was using a cracked app to get a free upgrade, yes, that's wrong. But what I've described above is not stealing.

If you were stupid enough not to read in the TOS that it can only be installed one time on one machine then you are at fault. You agreed. Nothing you can do.

 

[TitanTiger]

If you were stupid enough not to read in the TOS that it can only be installed one time on one machine then you are at fault. You agreed. Nothing you can do.

Well, forgive me for being such a neanderthal but I'd say "screw that." If it takes getting a cracked app to be able to do something with software I legally purchased and wish to continue to use (not give away to others or use on multiple devices), so be it. Don't be such a turd in your TOS.

 

[WilliamG]

Ok i use the sinful iphone repo to get my cracked cydia store apps that i already paid for.

ok because when you purchase an app on one device it doesnt transfer over to the next which it should.

so instead of purchasing the same app 3 times i just use sinful iphone repo to get the apps i paid for

Mywi, 3G unrestrictor, cyntact,quick reply, SNES4iphone,NES3 and more

Is there really anything wrong with that..no

YES, there's something wrong with that. I can't speak for the other apps, but 3G Unrestrictor definitely works if you download it legitimately to other devices using the same login. My wife and I both have it and we only paid for it once. So... yeah..

 

[thelatinist]

I repeat: most, if not all, Cydia apps will transfer to a new device if you log in to Cydia with the username you used at purchase. If any do not, you should just contact the developer.

Your pathetic excuse to justify stealing apps is just that: pathetic.