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Anything out there better than the iphone?
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Good for you. My Tilt was a POS compared to the iPhone -- regular crashes were just one of many pains in my ass. I kept it just in case there was anything I actually needed to do that the iPhone doesn't. I shouldn't have worried -- my Tilt is now nothing more than an expensive internet radio.
Oh, and I can type faster and get better battery life on the iPhone. Calls are clearer, too. And don't get me started on how much better the browser is than the closest WM option (i.e., Opera Mobile 9.5). So, how you do you like them apples?
PS: How do you like carrying around that Treo plus an iPod Touch in your pocket? Let me tell you -- again, from actual experience -- it's a literal pain in the ass.
Wanna pass me some of whatever your smoking?
If a PRO is gonna record video, there is no way in hell they intend doing it on a phone.
The Blackberry Storm.
You can't beat a phone that works on both GSM and CDMA providers. With more features than the iPhone.
You can't beat a phone that works on both GSM and CDMA providers. With more features than the iPhone.
@ister
First of all there is no product that is best for everyone. It depends on your needs. I'm 19 and in college so I'm not looking for push email or hardcore business contacts or any of that.
What I was looking for was a phone with an iPod and I got exactly that. It also browses really well and I haven't a single dropped call yet. In fact, at home I never have anything less than full bars on 3G, and I get great battery life.
Multi touch is in fact not useless, it makes using the phone really fun and intuitive.
I will agree that the iPhone may lack some features that make it not suitable for some. But to come in here and say it's inferior in to all phones and old technology and that people are idiots for liking it is just plain ludicrous. If you're so happy with your WinMo phone, get outta here and go use it. You don't need to make sure other people are using it, just because you think it's better. Get a life.
First of all there is no product that is best for everyone. It depends on your needs. I'm 19 and in college so I'm not looking for push email or hardcore business contacts or any of that.
What I was looking for was a phone with an iPod and I got exactly that. It also browses really well and I haven't a single dropped call yet. In fact, at home I never have anything less than full bars on 3G, and I get great battery life.
Multi touch is in fact not useless, it makes using the phone really fun and intuitive.
I will agree that the iPhone may lack some features that make it not suitable for some. But to come in here and say it's inferior in to all phones and old technology and that people are idiots for liking it is just plain ludicrous. If you're so happy with your WinMo phone, get outta here and go use it. You don't need to make sure other people are using it, just because you think it's better. Get a life.
And I'm suggesting to you -- again, based on actual experience, which you now admit you lack -- that your solution stinks.
Opera is a joke compared to Safari, as is Skyfire. Here again, I speak from personal experience comparing them side-by-side. Can you say the same?
I have no idea what you mean by "browsing the internet" not being a "normal use for what this device is intended for." Which device do you mean? And if it's the iphone, who are you to say what's a normal or intended use when you don't even own one?
Ah, yes, McDonald's logic. After all, with over a billion people served, their product must be the best. Right...?
That was pretty much my response to the thread as well. Get out of my head!
And I work in Short Hills, NJ. Clearly NJ-ites are level headed thinkers.
Everyone has different experiences. I helped a friend set up her iCal to stay in sync with Entourage because she wanted to use an iPhone and iCal was her only sync option. She called me the other day to tell me that iCal and Entourage were having such a hard time cooperating that she was ditching the iPhone as a calendar tool. For her, having Entourage for her law practice was worth significantly more than using her iPhone for work. Everyone has different experiences depending on your software needs.
Interesting how you resort to personal insults when logic fails. For the record, I have three MS laptops and have owned both Treos and WM phones. I switched to the iPhone because the performance of the iPod touch impressed me to the point that my Treo and Tilt were simply unworkable. So, I'm anything but an Apple-loving zombie LOL!
But not an iPhone. Remind me again why we should care about your uninformed opinion, which you admit isn't based on personal experience? Stop wasting everyone's time with your trolling and go back to xdadevelopers where you and Ronald can enjoy your McDonald's logic and POS phones.
Ummm, because we have the features that we need? I have no idea what you are trying to say. Your logic is so bizarre in so many of these posts. Because a regular iPod does not browse the web, check emails, sync calendars (usefully), etc etc. The iPod touch is an iPhone without the phone. Why wouldn't I just choose an iPhone instead of having both? Weird.
OK, I guess I was kidding. No, I really don't care about an SD card slot. I have an 8GB phone not even half full. Why do I need an SD card slot? Oh right, I don't. And because of that....I don't care. And if I had 16GB, I would have even less need for one.
I guess htis is more geared towards the 3G phone users, as I have had very, very few dropped calls. Fewer than I can count on one hand in 15 months.
Finally! You are correct. I am lost...I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. I don't recall mentioning "touchscreen response" at any point. And what list are you talking about? Theme of the year? Man, I really wish I could crawl around inside your head to try to piece some of this bizarre rambling together.
If you were running an OS9 app, yes. OS X was a completely new operating system, with a completely different underlying code, that used a Classic environment to run older programs. Classic environment did not boot up automatically and run in the background, at least not on any installation of OS X I had. It only booted when needed. Maybe the very first release of OS X was different. And same thing applies: if the app was written for OS9 or earlier, then the classic environment ran it.
Yeah, that sucks man. I guess I'll just have to use the built-in one. My logitech wireless 7-button mouse and multimedia keyboard, however, work just fine by just plugging them in. Logitech's software, on the other hand, is the biggest pile of useless dog crap I've ever used in my life. Want to talk about holding you back?
And can you please cite a source for saying linux has a bigger market share? Everything I have looked up states quite the opposite. But you are one smart dude, so you can probably tell me differently.
itster, it's plainly obvious that your needs are far, far more complicated than the rest of ours. I have never felt held back by my operating system, and only minorly so on my phone.
How about instead of spending time telling us what you think we need and what we should want, you finally get it through your head that many people have different needs for their technology. Apparently, you require much, much more than most of us do. Do you honestly believe that I just don't know that I need an SD card slot? Did I forget that video recording was the key to my professional life? Was I just never aware that Mac OS was not doing it for me? God, it must suck that I can't do anything other than 3d modeling, CAD drafting, office document editing, video and audio and photo editing, gaming, downloading music and video, keeping track of my calendar, doing everything I need to do on the web, and controlling my house and home theater's lighting and other functions (from anywhere in the world). Those are all things I actually do, minus gaming because I have no use for that in my life. Yes, it sucks not being able to do anything on my POS Mac or iPhone.
itster has shown me the light. I never knew how much I was being held back before itster told me. Now I feel bad. Will someone hold me?
+1
Sometimes, do you wonder what people who troll internet forums are really like? I imagine they are like the guys on "Jackass". Bored, pathetic losers who would be nothing without building up their own egos by being idiots.
I'd love to meet one in person one day, just to see what he is really like.
Who gives a ****k what phone you use, if people like the iphones and want to use, what's wrong with that?
Some people have some serious infeority complex issues. I mean it's a bloody phone.
You're absolutely right!
See: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/531260/
That's good, because rest assured, we're all laughing at you and your Ronald McDonald logic!
just tested my friends android phone
as much as people want to lie to themselves... that phone is still in beta
Currently the iPhone is the best touchscreen phone available, but i think that 2nd and 3rd generation android phones will eventually surpass the iPhone 3G ( assuming its not updated)
as much as people want to lie to themselves... that phone is still in beta
Currently the iPhone is the best touchscreen phone available, but i think that 2nd and 3rd generation android phones will eventually surpass the iPhone 3G ( assuming its not updated)
I had an HTC phone with touchflo.... it's garbage. Plus, HTC phones are made with the worst LCD's i'm telling you. They're horrible (well, compared to the iphone anyway). Response on the screen is garbage, and battery life on those things is always worse than even the iphone.
The more and more I see of it the more I'm liking the Nokia 5800 and I think I'm gonna sell my iPhone to get it next month when its released.
I understand what someone above said about the iPhone being ancient technology, and from a hardware standpoint they're not wrong. There's no hardware innovation within the iPhone, nothing new, and to be honest the software innovation is limited to some of the UI usability.
I think it is a good device and its brought a lot of features to people who never considered using them before, even if they had existed for a while. They packaged it up really nicely with a good user interface and made it simple for everyone to get to grips with quickly.
Unfortuantely they also crippled it in many ways with the severity of their software lockdowns and as such I don't think it will ever be as powerful a device as a WinMo, Series 60 or UIQ3 device, even if it is nicer to use.
I understand what someone above said about the iPhone being ancient technology, and from a hardware standpoint they're not wrong. There's no hardware innovation within the iPhone, nothing new, and to be honest the software innovation is limited to some of the UI usability.
I think it is a good device and its brought a lot of features to people who never considered using them before, even if they had existed for a while. They packaged it up really nicely with a good user interface and made it simple for everyone to get to grips with quickly.
Unfortuantely they also crippled it in many ways with the severity of their software lockdowns and as such I don't think it will ever be as powerful a device as a WinMo, Series 60 or UIQ3 device, even if it is nicer to use.
dually noted. I still would like to play around with it, however I see that being a problem since it won't be released in the US anyway.
+ safari.
beyond that WM offers much more capability, customization, and performance applications. I've used both extensively and still do. As much as I love my iPhone, WM offers more, imho. I prefer the iPhone because I've simplified what I use the phone for and am willing to live with reduced performance for the reliability and simplicity of the iPhone. The iPhone is easier to use, but I wouldn't call it better. Better is different to everyone since everyone has different wants/needs/priorities in a pda or media phone.
My pda history goes back to the first palm pilot and ended with a verizon WM treo 700wx.
Well said.
What the iPhone did was to introduce features to a consumer group which was largely unaware of them or thought they had no use for them. By and large Blackberry didn't appeal to the average consumer, mostly business people with its primary selling point being push email which most consumers didn't need or want. It's media player was not all that great. Apple made a phone with an appealable media player that gave people the option of Push email, and now people are starting to realise that it is of some use to them. These people would mostly never have bought a phone because it offered push email.
It has made some smartphone features available to an audience which until then had primarily been 'dumbphone' users, and at the same time made them accessible to these less technically minded people with its simple UI and streamlined (reduced) features.
If you compare WinMo, Series 60 and iPhone OS and asked which is the most powerful you'd have to argue it out between WinMo and S60. It certainly isn't the iPhone OS. But if you handed a person an example of each of the phones and asked them to set-up their email on them, the iPhone would win hands down. I would say a fairly large number of the people you asked wouldn't be able to set it up at all on either WinMo or S60.
This is the genius of the iPhone, and in my opinion the only way it has innovated, a UI which made features more accessible to more people. All of the rest of it has been done before, and most of the features are done much better in other places, but are not as accessible to the average user.
Actually setting up e-mail on a new WM device is pretty easy. They come with an on-device getting started guide which asks you to set up your e-mail account. You just have to enter your e-mail address and the account password. The phone then downloads the settings from Microsoft, and then you are done.
I know the iPhone copies your e-mail account settings from your desktop, but you can actually use a WM phone without ever connecting it to a desktop.
agree 100%
The innovation of the iPhone isn't what it can do. It's how it does it. It's a game changer only because it's opened up the "smart phone" world to a whole new category of users.
When I hear ppl proclaim the innovations of the iPhone I have to laugh because WM has been doing everything that iPhone does for years. Active sync, cab files, exes, exchange, etc. are just too complicated for most ppl to deal with, figure out, or problem shoot/solve.
You're right. And although it is introducing the 'Average Joe' to the possibilities with a smartphone, to me it's still lacking too much to be considered as a serious smartphone. That's not to say that it's not a good phone, but the 'smartphone' title isn't granted by virtue of the fact that a device can receive email and you can install apps on it.
As an example lets consider the following scenario which will be familiar to a large majority of proper smartphone users...
You're working on a joint project with a work/school/college colleague and you're out on the road away from your computer. Your colleague has just made some changes to a document you've been working on and they need to send it to you to make your own changes before you submit it. Easy peasy. On the S60 or WinMo device they email it to you, you open it on the device in the appropriate program (lets say Documents2Go by Dataviz since they're bringing it out for the iPhone too). You make your changes, save the document and email it on to wherever it has to go.
Now this is a very simple scenario, and one quite common, especially you would think as they are now trying to aim the iPhone at the business sector. So lets examine the scenario from the iPhone perspective.
You've got your Documents2Go software installed (we'll have to time travel to the future briefly) You receive the email, no problems so far, but this is where they begin. You can't download the document itself to the device. You can retrieve it within the email for viewing in the built-in document viewer, but this doesn't allow you to make changes. Since the iPhone has no communal storage for apps, how can you open any document emailed to you for editing in another program? You're unable to make any changes, and I'd dare say that if somehow you could you wouldn't be able to email the new document on? This is the bread and butter of smartphone use and the iPhone doesn't seem to be able to accomplish even this most basic of tasks. Forget about copy and paste, what use is it anyway if the document support is so poor?
Another thing that bothers me is the lack of multi-tasking/background processes/whatever you want to call it. Can someone please explain to me what there reasoning is for forbidding it?
Is it that they think the device will grind to a halt if you have too many apps open?
Solution - write some better memory management, everyone else has been doing it for years!
Is it that they think it will drain battery life? (An excuse they seem to roll out for lots of things I've noticed)
Solution - well it can't possibly use more than keeping the phone connected to a server 24/7 can it?
I really don't understand the logic at all, and having to close one program to open another is not very 'smart' as far as I'm concerned.
Yup. it's very easy, I was shocked when I set up my Samsung Epix today. I expected to be tracking down imap settings and stuff and boom, it was all set up in 10 seconds.
it depends on what you need it for. if you're gonna use it for business and your business is only supporting BB's then the bold or storm(when it comes out) might be "better" for you. if you want a windows mobile phone than the htc touch pro might be "better" for you. i'd like to think the iphone is the best when it comes to size/thinness/looks (although the touch pro is a very nice looking phone, but it is a little thick) and easy of use+features. just depends what you are going to use your phone for. all the phones i listed are great phones. it just depends on you.