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This thread is insane. Reminds me of why I choose to avoid photographers for the most part. Really lets me enjoy the art more. All the irate, insane people on here should reread what they've posted. Just filled with hatred. Try being nice, especially in the middle of a problem. Unite.
 
This thread is insane. Reminds me of why I choose to avoid photographers for the most part. Really lets me enjoy the art more. All the irate, insane people on here should reread what they've posted. Just filled with hatred. Try being nice, especially in the middle of a problem. Unite.

Too true. People forget that you can take equally amazing photographs with film and to an extent cell phone cameras. For the hobbyist and artist you don't really need all these fancy features. So it's not really a necessity to bicker about this stuff.
 
Fix needed before can continue using

Yes, swap eating all disk space and way before that (for obvious reasons) Macbook Pro slows down to totally unusable. Thought first this was because of the 'Faces' but apparently not.

- have some 20000+ pics, some older stuff in jpg others raw
- all originals outside the library
- Canon raw (400D, 50D)

Hope they fix this fast.
 
LOL. Crazy, angry people here.

It's just so weird that I have zero problems with Aperture 3 on all my machines and it's performing much faster than both Lightroom 2 and Lightroom 3 beta too. And this is coming from a longtime Lightroom 2 user.

Just cool down, wait for Apple to release a fix. If you are not happy with Aperture 3, stay with 2 until the kinks are worked out. If not, just switch to Lightroom.

No one is forcing anyone to use Aperture, or even to upgrade to Aperture 3 from Aperture 2.
 
My rant however long it may be was factual and shows a recent consistency of Apple making bad to mediocre products and unless it's addressed publicly, it may continue. If you have any intelligence you would see that I'm trying to help Apple by addressing concerns publicly not because I don't like their products, but because I do and I want them improve their recent track record.
People aren't complaining that you're bashing Apple, or even debating your facts-- they're simply complaining about a non sequitur.

Find another thread, preferably starting your own in the general forums, or separate your rant into sub-rants that you can apply to threads related to each product you despise.
This thread is insane. Reminds me of why I choose to avoid photographers for the most part. Really lets me enjoy the art more. All the irate, insane people on here should reread what they've posted. Just filled with hatred. Try being nice, especially in the middle of a problem. Unite.
In the defense of photographers, it's not just this thread. Pick any random thread in these forums lately and they're all full of venom. Apple bashing, counter bashing, interrupting every thread screaming that their favorite hardware hasn't been updated, or that something that was recently updated wasn't sufficiently pleasing to them.

Civility is dead. I can probably scrounge up an extra pitchfork if you need one...
 
Aperture install issues

For the record I've recently upgraded to Aperture 3.0 and converted my library of 46000 images (approx 1TB) from Aperture 2.0 format.

It took about 36 hours to upgrade the library and a further 48 hours to run facial recognition on them (I'm seriously considering turning this off). During import the computer stopped doing ANYTHING else, seriously slow. The photos were all RAW and most large (21 MP images from Canon 5D mk II). I run a previous gen 24" iMac with 4Gb ram. Library was hosted on a DROBO attached by Firewire 2 so your results may vary.

It now takes a lot longer to open my library - and slowdowns can happen, I'm investigating whether Aperture is using my DROBO as the swap disc as it seems there's a lot more activity on it than before. If that is the case I'll see if I can find a hack to change this or move my library back onto my main disc.

I really hope this is sorted out soon as, with the new features, Aperture kicks Lightroom's butt IMO.
 
LOL. Crazy, angry people here.

It's just so weird that I have zero problems with Aperture 3 on all my machines and it's performing much faster than both Lightroom 2 and Lightroom 3 beta too. And this is coming from a longtime Lightroom 2 user.

Just cool down, wait for Apple to release a fix. If you are not happy with Aperture 3, stay with 2 until the kinks are worked out. If not, just switch to Lightroom.

No one is forcing anyone to use Aperture, or even to upgrade to Aperture 3 from Aperture 2.
Problem isn't that I was forced, but that I made the choice and now everything has turned to custard... Reverting back to A2 isn't terribly easy at this point either. I'm kind of hoping that Apple issues a fix before I'm forced to.

Jealousy aside, I'm glad to hear that there are success stories out there-- gives me hope that I might just be one hiccup away from success.
 
great! now i finally know i am not the only one suffering from this!
i was beginning to think my system is odd... have an MBP 17" from last summer, so it's supposed to be able to handle aperture 3 easily.

yet, after having imported a bit over 4000 pictures, the "processing" in the status bar just keeps running.... until it eats up all my disk space, slowing down the whole system until it doesnt respond at all.
i turned off faces as it was my first suspect, but that didnt help it either. i have to frequently force-quit aperture.

i'm a lightroom user, didnt import any old aperture library etc. did all from scratch.
even though i do prefer lightroom over aperture so far - aperture's places feature is something i really really like, want and need. unless lightroom gets that in v3, i'd move to aperture. but with this annoying bug.. come on, 4000 pics only? in lightroom i have 30k+ photos and it's not slowing down at all.

in addition to that, importing in aperture 3 is rather slow... :(
am using jpegs and RAWs (5D mk 2, 30D) btw.
 
Software has bugs. It happens.

Awesome post and fully agree with everything!

To add to your list here is my experience with Apple products in last 2 years:

- MBP power adaptor failed nearly burning my entire house
- MBP logic board failed
- MBP "super" drive doesn't work anymore
- 20" Cinema Display just died on me few days ago after only 16 months of use

Yes, all this in just 2 years, after paying more than premium price for it...

I might stick with Apple computers in the future for the sake of OS X but am seriously thinking of a decent PC and dual boot!

I hate cocky, arrogant people who are treating me as a fool - and this is exactly what Apple does with their customers for last few years >_<

So you was very unlucky. So what? What Apple does with their customers?
 
I think anyone thats been with Apple for a while would know that you should always wait when it comes to Apples latest and greatest. The golden rule is usually wait for third rev (or service pack w/e).
 
So you was very unlucky. So what? What Apple does with their customers?

Apple sells cheap garbage to their customers at HUGE FREKN PRICE...

And this, my dear friend, is a FACT!

Once, I trusted this company but not any more... When they put their customers back on the first place (currently occupied by shareholders and investors) things, I am sure, will be different - until then...

:mad::apple:
 
I've just registered here to clean up this ininformed mess...



That is simply not true. The "library" must be on a HFS(+) formatted drive, maybe AFP will work, too but any of FAT32/NTFS/NFS/CIFS will not work.

The same holds for any referenced master if you want to be able to delete it for instance. Plus, you can't reference masters directly on a memory card which you certainly can in LR.

So effectively, if you don't keep your files on HFS(+) formatted drives (or maybe AFP remote storage) or don't have enough space on such a drive to keep the catalog, you loose.

This is a huge dealbreaker for me and others e.g. working on a NAS or having a strong desire to keep their files OS agnostic; also for those who appreciate the LR possibility to sort out bad pictures directly on their memory card instead of being forced to "import" them (possibly as referenced masters to a non-HFS filesystems and thereby losing the ability to get rid of them later).

I tried a full two days sorting out how to make this work including reading all of the A3 manual but to no avail. That included even finding a spare external drive formatted to HFS+ with room for at least one 8 GB memory card and the library but even that kludge did not work as satisfactory as LR does.

NB: For those who haven't noticed: A3 lacks the ability to export files with *overwrite* of existing ones instead of inventing phantasy names with "(n)" added. This is another dealbreaker at least for those who shoot JPEG+RAW and keep both (and use JPEG unless the JPEG needs some correction).



I don't believe that's the case. In the same sense that spreading misinformation like in your post or other childish other posts help promoting Aperture.

PS: I wanted to use A3 instead of LR because it has its flaws, too. That's why I spend big time money (in terms of time) to make it work. But A3 is so buggy, slow and just does not the slightest cooperate with my long time established workflow (about 8 years, when I didn't even have Macs) while any other RAW processing application on the Mac like LR, SilkyPix, RawTherapee, RawPhotoProcessor works just fine. It also crashed 8 times on me in only a few days of operation; that's 8 times more than LR ever.
PPS: If you really are interested in discussing these issues instead of uselessly denying or flaming them I invite you to take part in the discussions in the dpreview "Micro Four Thirds Talk" Forum where I've detailed many (and not even all) of the problems I found.


--
Servus, Daniel

Not sure you are right on this. I did not try NTFS or FAT32 drives but my photos are stores on a NAS, formatted in EXT3 (Linux) and that works fine.
 
Apple sells cheap garbage to their customers at HUGE FREKN PRICE...

And this, my dear friend, is a FACT!

Once, I trusted this company but not any more... When they put their customers back on the first place (currently occupied by shareholders and investors) things, I am sure, will be different - until then...

:mad::apple:

It's amusing to see how people equate their own situation or perception of reality with generalizable facts. I guess the capitalization makes it so. :) And I don't think that satisfying customers and keeping shareholders happy are mutually exclusive.

As for Aperture 3, it's clear that some people are having serious problems, while others, myself included, aren't. I don't know what the relative numbers are, but it is frustrating that whatever is at fault wasn't caught pre-release. It's also frustrating that Apple tends not to acknowledge problems like this publicly, even if only to say that they're investigating.
 
To counter all the doom and gloom, just wanted to chime in and say it works perfectly on my Mac Pro running 10.6.2. Unlocked my trial, and upgraded the library in two hours and did the face detection in eight more (at a guess, I went to bed at the half way mark). I didn't reboot, repair, run in 32 bits, blah blah blah (my Aperture 2 library was already backed up - I'm optimistic, not foolish).
 
more reason to stick with lightroom. i never liked the "photo library" scheme that apple does, I want to be able to easily get to my photos in finder.

@ verniesgarden.
Get to know your application. Aperture let's you choose as where to store your image files inside Aperture or ANYWHERE outside of Aperture. No reason to rant.

Yes there is an memory issue with A3 regardless how pristine your A2 library is or was when you upgraded to A3. This memory leak happens when A3 is doing ANY kind of processing within the A3 library. Such as creating previews, scanning faces or creating thumbnails. It then will bring your system down to it's knees regardless what hell machine you are running. I have an iMac 2.8 quad core, 8 GB RAM and it kills all RAM and stalls the OS.

My A3 library is running but I can't do anything of the described processes that will stall the system. Therefore its worthless. Apple Aperture Support has NO glue how to fix that and keeps telling me try this, try that. I can do that myself by reading thru the forums recommendations. Don't need support for that. I have switched to 32 bit version of Aperture and that let me do some minor processing until something kickes in and I end up with the usual stall. Reversing to 64 bit repeats the process. So, going back and forth lets me do some work but also tells that there is something badly wrong.

Oh, I forgot. It's good to vent off in the forums and ask for advice. However we ALL need to report our problems to www.apple.com/feedback/aperture
This is the official way of direct feedback to the engineers and developers of Aperture. So please bombard them but be nice and down to the point. Take a systematic approach. let them know your excat confirguration hardware and software , i.E. trialversion or from the box etc. Describe your problem and let's hope that Apple comes up with a fix soon.
 
188,000 Image dB Working Fine in AP3

Yes, 188k Images. This is my PERSONAL image folder, I have separate dB for clients and my artistic work.

Before I began the upgrade, I BACKED UP my AP2 dB. Note I use all-referenced masters. 90% of masters are RAW. I made sure my AP2 dB opened fine in AP2 - no corruption.

Took 24 hours to build the AP3 dB. Faces has been processing for 3 days; about half done.

AP3 has most all the wish-list items, just missing distortion control... Also not sure if non-destructive plug-ins are possible? I plan to completely revamp my portfolios using AP3. Those throwing stones; "Ohhhh, Lightroom is soooooo much better!" - well, you're missing out.

- Bert Pasquale
Member, Maryland Professional Photographers Association
 
2009 MacPro
Adequate HD space
Enough RAM

Import 28,000 image iPhoto library...FAIL

I'd just like some response from Apple that they are working on a fix. This is my first experience with Apple (since the Apple ][e) where it didn't "just work". I'm happy for all thet had no problems with the update. I am not, however, alone given the oodles of threads about this here and at the Apple Support boards.
 
I guess 199 bucks doesn't buy what it used to. Not that I really know what it used to buy; who buys software anyway? ;-) Kidding, kidding.

I purchased a full version of Aperture 3 for my lady so she could migrate her obnoxiously gargantuan iPhoto library but I've told her to not install it just yet. I sincerely hope that the problems people are having are, relatively speaking, isolated incidents. If they are not isolated we may just have to lose all faith in Apple's software QA processes. Seriously, how could they have missed these massive memory issues people are having with A3??
 
Aperture 3 Reportedly Causing Hangs and Memory Leak Issues for Some Users


Its just like FLASH :D


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Just received the update, installed it right away.
Started the programme and . . . . . . . . . .
it crashes after 44 seconds, every time!
Now what!
very disturbing!
 
Terrible Upgrade experience

Well the A3 upgrade had me tearing my hair out, but after many forced quits and when I was on the verge of giving up i found a work around. Basically I moved my old A2 library and installed A3 with an empty library and then imported the old library back in - still took a while but didn't leave my macbook pro bricked in the process. Also rather than an uninformative status bar you could actually see all the folders and projects as they were imported.
Hope this helps.

The update apple released doesn't address this problem according to the description but I'm sure they will. All I will say is that now its all installed and running smoothly I'm really impressed with the new features so far.

The whole experience prompted me to upgrade myRam to 4GB which seems to have made a real difference in processing faces etc. despite the min specs Apple gives for A3.

(FWIW my library was about 30GB - 10,000 images)
 
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