Aperture 4

[r.harris1]

In tech news for June 2, Adobe Creative Cloud subscriptions skyrocket.

Or not... My guess is that anyone who feels they need LR already has it or if they have a need for a CC subscription, they already have it as well. I use Aperture and already have a CC subscription (I use PS and other tools for work).

I wouldn't expect a release of Aperture today, to be honest.

 

[Razeus]

Or not... My guess is that anyone who feels they need LR already has it or if they have a need for a CC subscription, they already have it as well. I use Aperture and already have a CC subscription (I use PS and other tools for work).

I wouldn't expect a release of Aperture today, to be honest.

I wouldn't either.

 

[egis]

Or not... My guess is that anyone who feels they need LR already has it or if they have a need for a CC subscription, they already have it as well. I use Aperture and already have a CC subscription (I use PS and other tools for work).

I wouldn't expect a release of Aperture today, to be honest.

+1

In the waning hours before WWDC 2014 consider:
Apple has 150B in cash
Adobe just demoe'd a touch version of PS CC at a MSFT fest
Apple is no where near having touch capabilities ready for market on the mac platforms (surprise me with OS X 10.10)
Adobe is a take over candidate @market cap of about 30B

This could answer a lot of the community's questions about Apple's silence on many fronts not only about photography but the far larger market of media graphics.

There are people out there in the financial world suggesting this kind of broad stroke approach - is it believable, who knows??? just a pointer for consideration.

 

[InfiniteLoopy]

Well is the today the day?

My one reasonable request is some form of commitment, like "We're committed to Aperture and will be releasing a new version once Mac OS X 10.10 and iOS 8 have shipped."

John Gruber says in his WWDC prelude (http://daringfireball.net/2014/06/wwdc_2014_prelude) that Apple might as well get rid of Aperture, leave the market to Lightroom and offer a few features as an in-app purchase as part of "iPhoto Pro". He's wrong that Aperture can't share a library with iPhoto, but that's not exactly the type of feature we're looking for.

It would be a shame if the market only had one vendor/piece of software in it.

Reassure us .

 

[MCAsan]

And we give a fart about John Gruber and his opinion because?

 

[Razeus]

And we give a fart about John Gruber and his opinion because?

Anyone can "make up" what they think Apple will do. For example, I frequently say, "Apple doesn't care about photographers". However, to date, this is a true statement. I don't think Apple will show off Aperture at these types of events anyway. It's all about OS's.

 

[Schranke]

Well no news about Aperture, or any other professional app...
A sad day, hope they might pull something out during the week, but i doubt it.
If nothing is done to blow new life into aperture the might end up losing me to a company who at least looks like they are interested in their own app

 

[MCAsan]

I am lost with Apple's message set about photography. It seems as if the new Photo and cloud combo are aimed at the low end snapshot consumers which are a huge majority of folks with some type of camera.

What I did not get from the WWDC keynote is EXACTLY what they plan to do with iPhoto and Aperture. And we have to wait for 6 more months on the Photo app.....not.

While I like the Aperture UI, I am dang glad LR is my prime DAM. Apple indeed seems to be walking away from a Pro app....unless there is going to be some separate announcements/intros this fall.

While I like the OS 10.10 and IOS 8 contents in general. I am not a happy camper with their photography message. I know, like Cupertino gives a damn about my opinion.

 

[Razeus]

Well no news about Aperture, or any other professional app...
A sad day, hope they might pull something out during the week, but i doubt it.
If nothing is done to blow new life into aperture the might end up losing me to a company who at least looks like they are interested in their own app

Still hoping huh? Just give it to the end of the year. Perhaps they were too busy working on the Photos app for Mac.

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I am lost with Apple's message set about photography. It seems as if the new Photo and cloud combo are aimed at the low end snapshot consumers which are a huge majority of folks with some type of camera.

What I did not get from the WWDC keynote is EXACTLY what they plan to do with iPhoto and Aperture. And we have to wait for 6 more months on the Photo app.....not.

While I like the Aperture UI, I am dang glad LR is my prime DAM. Apple indeed seems to be walking away from a Pro app....unless there is going to be some separate announcements/intros this fall.

While I like the OS 10.10 and IOS 8 contents in general. I am not a happy camper with their photography message. I know, like Cupertino gives a damn about my opinion.

I guess iPhoto is defunct? How would this even work? Does it automatically pull out your photos from iPhoto on the Mac to be seen in Photos app for Mac? So bizarre. Apple really needs to decided what he wants to do with its apps. It's like they keep making apps for the same thing (iPhones Phone+Contacts+Facetime apps are all the same thing giving the exact same info). iPhoto app and the Camera Roll is another example of making the same app, just looks different. And now with the Beats purchase, I have 2 apps that play music from the exact same company. Sigh.

 

[BJMRamage]

Still hoping huh? Just give it to the end of the year. Perhaps they were too busy working on the Photos app for Mac.

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I guess iPhoto is defunct? How would this even work? Does it automatically pull out your photos from iPhoto on the Mac to be seen in Photos app for Mac? So bizarre. Apple really needs to decided what he wants to do with its apps. It's like they keep making apps for the same thing (iPhones Phone+Contacts+Facetime apps are all the same thing giving the exact same info). iPhoto app and the Camera Roll is another example of making the same app, just looks different. And now with the Beats purchase, I have 2 apps that play music from the exact same company. Sigh.

Yeah seeing Photos App for Mac is odd with iPhoto and Aperture already.
Photos seems like an almost rip from iPhoto though on iOS iPhoto has brushes like Aperture on the mac....but not all quite there.

So rather than a Pro level and consumer level Mac App and iOS App they have a multitude of Apps. and with "Photos" the photo viewer you can do more editing. They should have just bundled iPhoto INTO Photos. call it "Photos with the Power of iPhoto" if they really want but simply call it Photos....Photos is the camera roll with the editing capabilities of iPhoto.

 

[Razeus]

Yeah seeing Photos App for Mac is odd with iPhoto and Aperture already.
Photos seems like an almost rip from iPhoto though on iOS iPhoto has brushes like Aperture on the mac....but not all quite there.

So rather than a Pro level and consumer level Mac App and iOS App they have a multitude of Apps. and with "Photos" the photo viewer you can do more editing. They should have just bundled iPhoto INTO Photos. call it "Photos with the Power of iPhoto" if they really want but simply call it Photos....Photos is the camera roll with the editing capabilities of iPhoto.

http://www.apple.com/ios/ios8/photos/

 

[BJMRamage]

Timelapse is interesting.

so, with the New Photos....I have the same storage amount for Photos and Videos (that'll eat up quickly) and it will store them forever...as long as I pay or don't go over the limit.

 

[InfiniteLoopy]

[Stupid forum software just logged me out after I'd typed a long post. ]

And we give a fart about John Gruber and his opinion because?

Because he's one of the best connected Apple commentators and pretty much what he announced regarding photos has come true.


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Aperture is dead. So is iPhoto.

At the start of next year, they'll be a whole "new photo solution". This is simply called Photos.

What Craig showed was fairly basic (though I found the dial thing with the previews of effects quite interesting). This Photos app looks like iPhoto+, as – and I may be wrong –, iPhoto doesn't have as many sliders at present.

Now, maybe, in 6 months or so, we'll get Aperture 4 with everything we want, including the cloud stuff. However, it seems more likely that the Photos app is all that will exist. But what if there's an add-on for pro features like lens corrections? Are Apple so uninterested in pros that they are surrendering to Adobe or have they got something up their sleeve.

With my entire library existing as Aperture edits, I'm intrigued to see what they will release in 6 months. If there's nothing for pros as part of their photo solution, we'll know we need to move, but if there is, it could be worthwhile hanging on a little longer. That's where my thinking is now.

 

[egis]

More data points for consideration:

see: https://www.macrumors.com/2014/05/08/super-resolution-ois/

and

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/05/09/apple-hires-lumia-photography-lead/

This all points to a better iPhone camera and in-device software. We are less than a month out from WWDC 2014 and not an inkling of talk about an Aperture update. Ok, not surprising at all - but I do say I hope I am very wrong.

Any one else picked up a recent rumor?

Well...no Aperture, they flattened iPhoto, made photography even more consumer friendly...no sense in waiting any longer...I guess it will be a good day for learning Lightroom. Sad to see, but indicators foretold this result

 

[MCAsan]

Yep, I might as well delete Aperture. So much for a dream.

 

[Razeus]

If Aperture is doing what you need, then stick with it. You may have to use a gabillion 3rd party plug ins, but it'll still work. I would get worried when Apple starts slipping on new camera RAW updates. Judging by how long they took to get the RAW data for the Fuji X-E2 (over 6 months btw), you can see how I totally lost my faith in Apple's pro software.

That's what happens when all your money is coming from iOS. Aperture updates are after thoughts at Apple, even they even think about it. Apple rather spend money on Beats By Dre than flesh out Aperture 4. It makes me wonder why people even bother with the Mac Pro hardware.

 

[BJMRamage]

what was the hire/job posting months ago that made people think Aperture was going to get updated soon?

i wonder if that person worked on Photos...or if Aperture Update is still in the works. Seems odd that they have Pro Audio and Video programs/apps but not Pro Photo.

 

[r.harris1]

Interesting article from Thom Hogan and his take on the Photos app and Apple's take on things. Whether there will be a new Aperture is hard to say still - I think - but it is true that Apple is re-working things from the ground up.

I've said before and will re-iterate, if you're waiting for Apple to copy Adobe and to approach things "business as usual" just by doing a "feature match", you're likely to be even more disappointed than you are waiting for an Aperture update, simply because if they do actually produce one, it's likely to be very different.

 

[flynz4]

About the only thing I would like... that for me would make Aperture "near perfect"... would be rudimentary sharing of my library. I would like the equivalent of "iTunes Home Sharing" for Aperture... where my family could have read-only access to every damn picture I own... in the organization that I create... including the ability to create smart folders, etc. It seems like such a simple request.

/Jim

I'll take the contrarian view to most of the moaning going on here. I think that what we saw in today's keynote is very promising for the future of Aperture.

As I stated in my quoted section above... I really wish there was a better way to have sharing occur from my Aperture library... to other members of my family. I had stated that I would be very happy with the rough equivalent of "iTunes Home Sharing" for my pictures. It seems that Apple's new photo direction will likely give us that.

It also seems like the new photo architecture very well may give us non-destructive round trip to 3rd party applications. This is a major step forward.

The only downside, and a minor one at that... is that it looks like this will not occur until early '15.

My prediction:

• Aperture is re-written from the ground up and will have all of the superb DAM capabilities that it has today... plus some surprises.
• It will likely be an advanced user interface and control mechanism that sits on top of the "photos" core
• It will finally solve the photo sharing across all of our devices, for all family members
• Non-destructive round trip editing through 3rd party plug-ins
• We get it in '15

Overall, I am excited about what I saw today. I wish it was a bit sooner... but I think it will be worth the wait.

There is no way in hell that I would abandon Aperture for Lightroom, given what we saw today.

/Jim

 

[initialsBB]

• Aperture is re-written from the ground up and will have all of the superb DAM capabilities that it has today... plus some surprises.
• It will likely be an advanced user interface and control mechanism that sits on top of the "photos" core
• It will finally solve the photo sharing across all of our devices, for all family members
• Non-destructive round trip editing through 3rd party plug-ins
• We get it in '15

Aperture has been 64 bits since 2010, so I don't think it would strictly need a rewriting from the ground up. Also family sharing is really important for the the consumer "Photos" app, but it can only be a bullet point for a professional app.

I'm still confident Apple are indeed continuing development on Aperture. I think it's a fine DAM but could really use a lot more refinement and better editing tools. As the new Photos app is still a little way off, it just goes to show that the building blocks like better iCloud integration that are common to both consumer and pro apps are not ready yet... I don't earn a buck from my photos so I don't feel any need to switch to Lightroom, I can afford to be patient.

 

[flynz4]

Aperture has been 64 bits since 2010, so I don't think it would strictly need a rewriting from the ground up. Also family sharing is really important for the the consumer "Photos" app, but it can only be a bullet point for a professional app.

I'm still confident Apple are indeed continuing development on Aperture. I think it's a fine DAM but could really use a lot more refinement and better editing tools. As the new Photos app is still a little way off, it just goes to show that the building blocks like better iCloud integration that are common to both consumer and pro apps are not ready yet... I don't earn a buck from my photos so I don't feel any need to switch to Lightroom, I can afford to be patient.

By "grounds up"... I mean to sit on top of the new photos core.

It seems to me that this new core will be built upon a "sharing" architecture... and from what I could tell in the keynote... editing will be non-destructive by 3rd party applications. It was a bit vague... but if those assumptions are correct, then building an Aperture X interface and tools on top of the core would be a substantial upgrade for Aperture.

/Jim

 

[MCAsan]

I suppsose a new Aperture could be Photos plus Apple made plugins that bring in the the core features of today's Aperture and maybe a few new ones. Interesting if a new Aperture is simply a collection of plugins to Photos.

 

[Janichsan]

Adobe just demoe'd a touch version of PS CC at a MSFT fest
Apple is no where near having touch capabilities ready for market on the mac platforms (surprise me with OS X 10.10)

Apple has stated repeatedly that they what MS did with Windows 8 makes no sense at all. Neither will there be a touch/desktop hybrid OS X Frankenstein monster, nor will there ever be a touchscreen enabled Mac.

So why should Apple give the slightest damn about a touchscreen version of Aperture?

 

[InfiniteLoopy]

I'll take the contrarian view to most of the moaning going on here. I think that what we saw in today's keynote is very promising for the future of Aperture.

/Jim

I agree with Jim.
There are discussions elsewhere that the edits Craig did during the demo may well have been non-destructive as he does not seem to save the file before it syncs. Imagine if Apple had an API where plugins could directly be opened within Photos and applied without having to save copies as TIFFs/JPEGs. This is the type of ground-breaking stuff that I hope Apple will do. As I've previously stated before WWDC, I don't care what Apple calls their app, but if it allows me to use their excellent DAM system with add-ons such as non-destructive plugins, that would be worth waiting a little longer.

We all know that despite their billions, Apple tends to stretch their developers thinly. It seems that they got to a point where they no longer wanted to actively develop for Aperture (and iPhoto it seems) knowing that they were working towards this Photos app.

Aperture may be dead, but pro photography at Apple may not be. I'm ready to wait a little to see what they can offer.

 

[hulk2012]

I agree with Jim.
There are discussions elsewhere that the edits Craig did during the demo may well have been non-destructive as he does not seem to save the file before it syncs. Imagine if Apple had an API where plugins could directly be opened within Photos and applied without having to save copies as TIFFs/JPEGs. This is the type of ground-breaking stuff that I hope Apple will do. As I've previously stated before WWDC, I don't care what Apple calls their app, but if it allows me to use their excellent DAM system with add-ons such as non-destructive plugins, that would be worth waiting a little longer.

We all know that despite their billions, Apple tends to stretch their developers thinly. It seems that they got to a point where they no longer wanted to actively develop for Aperture (and iPhoto it seems) knowing that they were working towards this Photos app.

Aperture may be dead, but pro photography at Apple may not be. I'm ready to wait a little to see what they can offer.

I agree. I've got latest iOS 8 and must tell that the photo editing on it's something beyond anything what we are used to. Adjusting light automatically adjust other sliders with amazing precision giving great result. Time saver and you still have manual control over it. Wow.