Aperture: Delete master but keep version?

[Captpegleg]

Fyi

http://www.apertureexpert.com/

This site has some very good info regarding Aperture. I'm sure there are many others and maybe even better ones. I've been sorta following it for some time and just finally commited to pay a monthly fee. You can certainly get a lot of free info. but I'll get more if I'm paying for it.
A very basic human failing is that when something is free, it often has no value.

 

[snberk103]

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I would give anything to have a "Save Version as Master" option, or something similar, to get a "better" Master free of flaws.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Falko

If your originals are in raw format, you lose a lot of editing ability by converting them to TIFF.
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What Bear says is true....

One of the ways that you can easily get burned by removing the RAW files is if Aperture updates a process. Lightroom does this from time to time, they improve the noise reduction or the sharpening processes, etc. If you have kept the RAW files, then you can compare the pre and post look of the new process and - usually - go with the improved new process (it's rare, but sometimes the new process can mess up an image.) Sometimes the improvement is significant. I've had a few so-so photos that have been improved by a new process into the not-so-bad range. (I'm often shooting right at the limits of my camera's abilities.)

However, this only works on the original RAW files. Once they've been exported to a TIFF, or worse yet - JPG, those images are now no longer improvable by a new RAW process.

I'm not sure why you're seeing those Red Eye photos. Once they've been "fixed" you shouldn't see them again, only the versions with your changes should be visible in a normal workflow.

 

[Zaqfalcon]

I think the issue here for the OP is not about management within Aperture it's that he is simply using referenced masters and wants to email using hotmail. In order to achieve this he has first to export duplicate altered versions in order to have a file to attach in hotmail.

This means that his photo folder now contains the original un-altered master and the new altered version. If he were to import this altered version back into Aperture he would now see two masters one with and one without alterations and any versions from the original master that were created. I can see the frustration here, it is quite a PITA to have to export versions in order to be able to attach to Hotmail (and have usable photos in other ways too that can't be done from within Aperture).

I would suggest that instead of re-importing these versions back into Aperture, when you export your versions for emailing, you export them to a special folder and then delete them once your done and retain Aperture as your primary organisational tool and forget using Finder. It is a pain to have to re-export the same photos over again if you find you want to email them again but saves you getting into a mess with duplicates and all sorts.

 

[OreoCookie]

I think the issue here for the OP is not about management within Aperture it's that he is simply using referenced masters and wants to email using hotmail. In order to achieve this he has first to export duplicate altered versions in order to have a file to attach in hotmail.

No, the OP doesn't have to export the photo to do that, all he needs to do is use the open/save dialog: below Devices, you have Media. Click in Photos and select Aperture. If you have iPhoto installed and previously used Photo Booth, they will also appear as sources. Navigate down your Aperture library and select the photo you'd like to attach. Select Choose and you're done.

 

[Zaqfalcon]

No, the OP doesn't have to export the photo to do that, all he needs to do is use the open/save dialog: below Devices, you have Media. Click in Photos and select Aperture. If you have iPhoto installed and previously used Photo Booth, they will also appear as sources. Navigate down your Aperture library and select the photo you'd like to attach. Select Choose and you're done.

Thanks OreoCookie I never realised this! Just to clarify for others who may be as thick as me as I didn't get this at first: in Hotmail click attachments, then at the bottom left of the dialog box is Media, then photos, then on the right appears the Aperture icon and under this all your Aperture folders and projects etc. You can choose and attach photos from here though these are always jpgs even if tiffs or RAWs are selected with the adjustments for that version embedded.

So to the OP no real need for all that messing about!

Thanks again OC.

 

[Tapoutdude]

Oh boy, something has gone seriously wrong in your workflow: you are so fixated on the »original« that you sidestep the workflow suggested by Aperture (and Lightroom).

To answer your question: there are no hidden dangers, the risks to your solution is in plain sight:
(1) Your workflow is destructive: if you eff up an aspect of editing the original, you cannot revert after re-importing. If you shoot in RAW, you also lose a lot of color information since I assume you export your images as jpg. If you export them as tiff, the resulting files are much larger than the RAW file you started with which slows down your workflow (e. g. the 16 megapixel RAW files of my D7000 weigh in at about 20 MB each, perhaps 25; a 16 bit tiff of the same resolution takes up 91 MB of space!). If you decide to render one photo in two different ways in the end, it takes up 182 MB instead of 25 MB!

Allowing for a fully non-destructive workflow is the most significant advance that was introduced with Aperture 1.0, i. e. the principle that you never, ever, ever touch the original.
(2) Your workflow is a lot more complicated than it needs to be.
(3) You don't quite understand what a master is: what you do with your workflow is to make the rendered file the new master.

I also don't see any upside to working this way: you can always create a version from the rendering of the master where you have already removed the red eyes.

OK, I have been reading this and I have the same problem. I understand the advantages of non-destructive editing, however the problem I have is that when I sync my Apreture pictures to mu iPad it ONLY syncs the master versions. Clearly after editing 100's of photos, I want to show people the edited versions, not the red-eye ones, crooked, etc. So I woudl liek to delete the master and keep the version (I won't edit the pictures anymore anyway).

 

[OreoCookie]

OK, I have been reading this and I have the same problem. I understand the advantages of non-destructive editing, however the problem I have is that when I sync my Apreture pictures to mu iPad it ONLY syncs the master versions. Clearly after editing 100's of photos, I want to show people the edited versions, not the red-eye ones, crooked, etc. So I woudl liek to delete the master and keep the version (I won't edit the pictures anymore anyway).

Again, there is no version without a master, what you are asking for is impossible: once you delete the master, the versions cannot exist, because they are always rendered from the master. This is the way Aperture and Lightroom work, independently of the advantages of non-destructive editing. Since I don't have an iPad, I cannot comment on what is and isn't synced with it. Sorry

 

[Somepix]

OK, I have been reading this and I have the same problem. I understand the advantages of non-destructive editing, however the problem I have is that when I sync my Apreture pictures to mu iPad it ONLY syncs the master versions. Clearly after editing 100's of photos, I want to show people the edited versions, not the red-eye ones, crooked, etc. So I woudl liek to delete the master and keep the version (I won't edit the pictures anymore anyway).

In Aperture, make an Album that contains only the pix you want to be synced. In iTunes select that album and sync.

Aperture is a powerful tool with a learning curve the user HAS to go through.

 

[Tapoutdude]

In Aperture, make an Album that contains only the pix you want to be synced. In iTunes select that album and sync.

Aperture is a powerful tool with a learning curve the user HAS to go through.

I do get teh mental leap that one has to go through in Aperture. Heck, coming from a PC 3 years ago and I am still having trust issues with my Mac....baggage left over from my previous PC relationships. haha.

But seriously, I will try agin tonight, but iTunes/iOS seem sto only sync the master, which lessens the ability for the iPad to be used as a electronic portofolio.

Cheers

 

[Zaqfalcon]

but iTunes/iOS seem sto only sync the master, which lessens the ability for the iPad to be used as a electronic portofolio.

This isn't my experience, if I choose an Aperture folder in iTunes to be synced I get a preview of versions with all my adjustments included on the iPad? Incidentally be aware that you do only get preview sizes synced onto iPad not full size of originals, which are fine for emailing. Actually thinking about it this may be your problem; have you set Aperture to automatically generate previews in preferences?

 

[Somepix]

... and in iTunes, you have to select :
sync with all folders, projects...
OR
sync with selected projects and albums
It will work