iGary said:
Excellent, thanks. I look forward to hearing your impressions of the new card and how it changes the usability of the program.
Also, what PM do you have? (hardware spec I mean)
Thanks again iGary
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Excellent, thanks. I look forward to hearing your impressions of the new card and how it changes the usability of the program.
Also, what PM do you have? (hardware spec I mean)
Thanks again iGary
Low end performance?
Anybody have any solid info on how Aperture goes on the low end systems Apple says it'll walk on? I have a 1.25 GHz PowerBook; granted that I need to bump the memory (currently at 512 MB; I'd be getting a 1 GB stick to add to the lone 512 MB stick if I get Aperture), but if Aperture runs at an acceptable speed on it, I might just plonk down the $AU500 (edu pricing) it'll cost me.
I pick up my 20D tomorrow. Looking forward to getting out to a nearby sanctuary early in the morning of a weekend and shooting some wildlife ... it'd be nice to have a decent RAW workflow package to go with it. Unfortunately, I can't afford a PowerMac for a while yet (by the time I can, it'll probably be an IntelMac.)
Anybody have any solid info on how Aperture goes on the low end systems Apple says it'll walk on? I have a 1.25 GHz PowerBook; granted that I need to bump the memory (currently at 512 MB; I'd be getting a 1 GB stick to add to the lone 512 MB stick if I get Aperture), but if Aperture runs at an acceptable speed on it, I might just plonk down the $AU500 (edu pricing) it'll cost me.
I pick up my 20D tomorrow. Looking forward to getting out to a nearby sanctuary early in the morning of a weekend and shooting some wildlife ... it'd be nice to have a decent RAW workflow package to go with it. Unfortunately, I can't afford a PowerMac for a while yet (by the time I can, it'll probably be an IntelMac.
)Quick review, and a way to work around the single-disk Library
I got my copy of Aperture today and spent this evening messing around with it. I was intending to spend a few days writing a comprehensive review but some of what I found was interesting enough that I figured I'd just put out what I had - particularly since I found a way to work around the single-disk Library limitation.
In any case, here's the review. It will likely be updated frequently over the next few days or weeks as I use more and more of the product. There are a number of features I have not even tried yet (like printing, because I stupidly ran out of ink the other day). Overall, though, it was pretty much what I thought I was spending my money on and a darn good effort for a 1.0.
http://www.frostbytes.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/ApertureReview?t=2005-12-01T04:34Z
jim frost
jimf@frostbytes.com
I got my copy of Aperture today and spent this evening messing around with it. I was intending to spend a few days writing a comprehensive review but some of what I found was interesting enough that I figured I'd just put out what I had - particularly since I found a way to work around the single-disk Library limitation.
In any case, here's the review. It will likely be updated frequently over the next few days or weeks as I use more and more of the product. There are a number of features I have not even tried yet (like printing, because I stupidly ran out of ink the other day). Overall, though, it was pretty much what I thought I was spending my money on and a darn good effort for a 1.0.
http://www.frostbytes.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/ApertureReview?t=2005-12-01T04:34Z
jim frost
jimf@frostbytes.com
jimf said:
First off thank you for that review, I found it quite informative and coming from an end user that is great. A couple notes I made about it, perhaps that you can add or clear up:
- .Your full system specs (You made reference to a Quad, but vid.card and RAM would be interesting so those of us shopping could know how better to judge performance to hardware, especially since Aperture appears to be very vid.card dependent)
- .The .tiff files you refer to, what size are they? and what bit-depth? (This perhaps is more personal curiosity, but I know guys at work here that end up working with a single "image" that gets over 1GB and that slows their dual 2.7GHz G5 w/ 8GB of RAM down a bit )
- .If you could add images showing examples of your descriptions it would be very helpful (not sure you can do this, but just something I find useful when reading reviews)
Thanks again for taking the time to do that, it really is appreciated.
efoto said:Excellent, thanks. I look forward to hearing your impressions of the new card and how it changes the usability of the program.
Also, what PM do you have? (hardware spec I mean)
Thanks again iGary
Dual 2.7, 8GB RAM and this afternoon, an x800 xt card.
One thing I don't like (unless I am wrong and I can fix it) is the adjustments panel. Aperture "saves" the panel for each image, and every time you open a new one, you have to open up sharpening and noise reduction from a drop down (unless someone can tell me how to shortcut ^N) AGAIN and AGAIN. I'd like this panel to stay the same, or at least give me a good keyboard shortcut.
Please give me some keyboard shortcuts for adjustments.
That was a good question; never thought about dodge/burn and Aperture.iGary said:
Not a hassle to do externally, but should definitely be included in the next version.
From the Apple website:iGary said:
"Aperture has many useful keyboard shortcuts. You can find a list of keyboard shortcuts in the Help menu.
Here are some of the keyboard shortcuts that photographers immediately find useful:
To rate a selected image, press backslash (\) to assign a 5-star rating, or press equal sign (=) or hyphen (-) to increase or decrease a rating.
To designate an image in a stack as the pick image, select the image and press Command-backslash (\).
To quickly turn on or off the display of metadata, such as ratings, filenames, or keywords, press Y.
To quickly turn on or off the display of tooltips (information
that appears when you hold the pointer over an image, button, or control), press T.
To quickly show or hide the Adjustments and Metadata Inspectors, press I.
To quickly show or hide the Adjustments HUD, press H."
Was that last one of use? I'm still waiting for my copy to arrive, so I can't be of more use!
Yeah, I have the keyboard shortcut quick reference in front of me and I cannot find anything for image adjustments.
Like for sharpening, I would like to be able to press CMD - Something, which I can not currently do.
Like for sharpening, I would like to be able to press CMD - Something, which I can not currently do.
iGary said:
So how does Aperture feel with the new x800xt???
Do you have any idea where the x800xt falls in comparison to Apple's currently offered video cards? (6600, 6600LE, 7800GT, Quadra FX4500)
I really want to know how the performance changed, at least in verbal descriptors, because I'm trying to figure out what is worth including in an order to Apple and way may be overkill. As far as the computer itself, any PowerMac I order will feel snappy compared to my G4 PB, but I want to make sure I get the 'right' PM starting out, so I don't run into upgrades in 4 months because I didn't take the time initially.
efoto said:
They shipped the wonderful card UPS "Saver."
So now I have to wait till 3:00 prolly. I'll let you know.
Add to the wish list: One click publishing to .Mac
efoto said:
Sorry, should have included that. It's a Quad with 2G, 250G drive, and Nvidia GeForce 6600. Just your basic Quad plus 1.5G of memory.
.The .tiff files you refer to, what size are they? and what bit-depth? (This perhaps is more personal curiosity, but I know guys at work here that end up working with a single "image" that gets over 1GB and that slows their dual 2.7GHz G5 w/ 8GB of RAM down a bit
They're 16-bit TIFFs. Probably about 36M but I haven't checked that; source is 5-6M Canon RAW files (CRW).
I plan to do that as I flesh out the review, I just didn't have time last night. Maybe over the weekend. I might not be able to reproduce the washed-out phenomenon and am not sure I saved the rendered shot.
jim
iGary said:They shipped the wonderful card UPS "Saver."
So now I have to wait till 3:00 prolly. I'll let you know.
Add to the wish list: One click publishing to .Mac
Those bastards....I hate UPS "Saver" shipping, I much prefer Fedex "Kick-it" Express, they always get it there a little late and damaged
jimf said:
As I said, just suggestions to make it clearer what you are basing your review on. I don't think I can swing a Quad, but I was looking at getting the Dual-2.3 which comes with the 6600 (opposed to the 6600LE) and was debating the 7800GT ($314 more for student price) but the only real app I can think of that would require an increase was/is Aperture (other than games, but I'm not buying specifically for them).
Anyway, I look forward to reading more as your develop the review. Thanks again for doing that, very helpful.
OK -
The X800 XT is in, and the cropping tool, loupe and most of the effects are MUCH faster.
The straightening tool sucks ass, It just doesn't respond. I may have a bug, but...whatever. Some images have the little "Loading" ovelray on the top of the image and it never disappears. So yeah, typical early adopter stuff.
Now I just have to figure out how to get this in my workflow. The lack of keyboard shortcuts for adjustments is killing me.
The X800 XT is in, and the cropping tool, loupe and most of the effects are MUCH faster.
The straightening tool sucks ass, It just doesn't respond. I may have a bug, but...whatever. Some images have the little "Loading" ovelray on the top of the image and it never disappears. So yeah, typical early adopter stuff.
Now I just have to figure out how to get this in my workflow. The lack of keyboard shortcuts for adjustments is killing me.
Aperture CRASHING
Don't want to be gloomy but... I've got a 2.3ghz dual with 4gig RAM. I dived straight in and imported 1000 CR2 17MB files.
1st of all it took ages to import. Literally 30 minutes. (compared to about 60 seconds in IViewMedia Pro).
2nd it still needs to load the high rez previews in when you first select and image (so why it takes so long to import is beyond me)
3rd it works fine until you try an auto-stack - it CRASHES everytime. Sure it stacks the first dozen or so, but then the dreaded colour wheel just spins away...
Rebooted, tried it 4 times, still CRASHES.
anyone else getting this with heavy loads? What I don't get is how you are supposed to stack intially if not by using the "auto" feature. I mean that's kind of the point right?
Also, can't figure out how to batch rename? That's a weird one.
George
Don't want to be gloomy but... I've got a 2.3ghz dual with 4gig RAM. I dived straight in and imported 1000 CR2 17MB files.
1st of all it took ages to import. Literally 30 minutes. (compared to about 60 seconds in IViewMedia Pro).
2nd it still needs to load the high rez previews in when you first select and image (so why it takes so long to import is beyond me)
3rd it works fine until you try an auto-stack - it CRASHES everytime. Sure it stacks the first dozen or so, but then the dreaded colour wheel just spins away...
Rebooted, tried it 4 times, still CRASHES.
anyone else getting this with heavy loads? What I don't get is how you are supposed to stack intially if not by using the "auto" feature. I mean that's kind of the point right?
Also, can't figure out how to batch rename? That's a weird one.
George
I wash having crashes until I installed the new vid card today.
Then they stopped altogether.
Ah, the joys of being an early adopter.
Then they stopped altogether.
Ah, the joys of being an early adopter.
George D said:
Ah, you've got a dual core 2.3
Yeah, you should be okee doke.
I've spotted a few bugs, too. Be sure to go to Aperture>Leave Feedback on the Aperture Menu.
You also have 90 days of free telephone support for what it's worth. You can always call and ask.
ATI 9600 Pro card on my dual 2.0. How bad will it be?
Anyone have any insight on how usable Aperture will be on my dual 2.0GHZ with 2.5GB of RAM and a puny ATI9600 Pro card with 64MB of VRAM?
I ordered Aperture today so I will be able to let everyone know the answer to my question in a few days but I'm impatient and need to know if I need to order a new video card.
Thanks.
Anyone have any insight on how usable Aperture will be on my dual 2.0GHZ with 2.5GB of RAM and a puny ATI9600 Pro card with 64MB of VRAM?
I ordered Aperture today so I will be able to let everyone know the answer to my question in a few days but I'm impatient and need to know if I need to order a new video card.
Thanks.
amberashby said:
If you have money for another card, get it. Just speaking from going from a 9650 to an x800 xt...
Went ahead and installed Aperture on the PB (Rev E, 7200 rpm, 2 GB hard drive) tonight. It's a bit slower importing than it was on the G5 iMac, which doesn't surprise me. Again, I only started with one folder of about 100 images (6 MP ones taken with the D70). Played around for a little while with sorting out the images and ranking them, but didn't get into anything else yet on here. I won't really be using this PB for serious photo work -- it'll just be for quick-and-dirty downloading from the CF card, winnowing out the baddies, maybe some quick processing in order to share in email or something....
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iGary said:
Woohoo, thanks a ton iGary. I was just reading around Barefeats and one of their reference tests shows that the x800xt is very similar in performance to the newly optional 7800 GT, stating that if you don't have PCI-E then get the x800xt if you want the best card available:
- Fill rate in billions of texels per second
7800 GT = 8.0; X800 XT = 7.6
- Memory bandwidth gigabytes in per second
7800 GT = 32; X800 XT = 32
- Transform rate in millions of vertices per second
7800 GT = 700; X800 XT = 712
Edit: Found the price reference you made before, never mind the repeat I guess
It almost makes me made that an older AGP card has the same performance as a brand new 16x PCI-E card...but oh well. Like I said, Apple needs to offer ATI cards, come on already!On the Brink said:
The PB isn't obviously a PM, but how did the performance of Aperture feel on your PB in comparison??