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efoto said:
Well, I don't have a PM to make that comparison (maybe in 2006?), but comparing it to the iMac, it wasn't as sluggish as I'd been afraid it might be. The iMac handled it pretty comfortably, but not super-speedily, and the PB handled it more slowly. I didn't really put Aperture through all its paces tonight so will have a better idea in a few days when I've worked with the program more intensively in both machines. As I mentioned before I'm not really figuring on using Aperture a lot in the PB, it's in there more for convenience when I'm traveling somewhere so that I can play with images on the road if need be. Unless and until I do get a PM I'll be using my iMac for my digital imaging projects. I have the feeling that a fully-loaded PM could run circles around the iMac!
I'll be watching posts carefully to get a good idea of what the best configuration for a PM would be when using PS CS2 and Aperture.... it will be good to have some guidance prior to making that large of an expenditure and investment in equipment.
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Power Mac freezing up!
Im running a dual 2ghz with 2.5GB ram and 9800 Pro graphics. I gave aperture a good run for its money last night. I find it freezes up my system consistently when using the auto stack feature i.e. when stacking images by time interval between shots. I'm wondering how to optimize this so my system doesn't freeze. From what I've seen so far I would say the auto stack feature is one of the most resource hungry HUD's. For info, I've been using the auto stack HUD in galleries of about 100 images to about 3500 images.
Dread to think how my G4 1.33 Power Book will cope!!!
See my other thread for more details:
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1950833&posted=1#post1950833
Im running a dual 2ghz with 2.5GB ram and 9800 Pro graphics. I gave aperture a good run for its money last night. I find it freezes up my system consistently when using the auto stack feature i.e. when stacking images by time interval between shots. I'm wondering how to optimize this so my system doesn't freeze. From what I've seen so far I would say the auto stack feature is one of the most resource hungry HUD's. For info, I've been using the auto stack HUD in galleries of about 100 images to about 3500 images.
Dread to think how my G4 1.33 Power Book will cope!!!
See my other thread for more details:
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1950833&posted=1#post1950833
On the Brink said:
Sorry, I had you confused with another member I think, I knew you had an iMac I just made a memory blunder
.I bounced the idea of a PowerMac off my father last night (not that he would pay, but I like to bounce ideas off of him for advice) and the short-story resulted in a "it's your money, do whatever you want with it" which I took to mean you retarded kid, that is too much money for you to be spending right now
I was really hoping Bare Feats would have more tests between the various dual-core models and the dual-proc models, comparing the two and showing differences. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be many tests of this nature (yet)
I'm looking to figure out what cards make a sensible difference (Bare Feats did equate the x800xt AGP card iGary just installed to the newly offered 7800 GT) and what other factors (dc2.0 vs. dc2.3 vs. qc2.5) really impact things. I found an older report that actually showed the dp 2.5 of late to be faster in graphics intensive apps compared to the dp 2.7 (which was found to be an issue with memory interaction and the 2.7 procs being faster than the RAM which caused backups, theoretically).Anyone have any other good Mac review and spec sites that are doing more with the new systems vs. older ones or other ones? (i.e. iMac and PowerBook?)
abaca said:
Froogle is your friend.
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product_Id=4050670&JRSource=google.datafeed.ATI+100435317
After a few more days of playing with it I've got a story to tell you.
My dad and I both are heavily into photography. He does corporate work and also a lot of nature with me.
He's always used his Mamiya 645 Pros. In fact, he loves them. However, he's wanted to go digital for a LONG time, but just couldn't get himself wrapped around the computer.
Anyhow, with Aperture we both believe this is going to take things to a whole different level. Even right now he's actually sitting down and converting RAWs(we've currently rented a D2x to see if we're buying either two of those or the D200s. The benefit with the D200 is the leftover money can buy us a few new lenses that we'd enjoy dearly. Bodies get replaced so much more often than lenses...)
Its really made life a LOT easier for both of us. So much in fact that we've contacted B&H to sell our Mamiya equipment (sadly Calumet refuses to as they've got too many in stock).
The software is awesome, and will be even FASTER once we get the x800xt video card. Now the question isn't how can he get on the computer, but how can he get OFF. Another problem is how to get more storage space since the library can only span one disk. Its off to research setting up a RAID.
We can't wait. Aperture is just really, really intuitive. But it does have its problems...
My dad and I both are heavily into photography. He does corporate work and also a lot of nature with me.
He's always used his Mamiya 645 Pros. In fact, he loves them. However, he's wanted to go digital for a LONG time, but just couldn't get himself wrapped around the computer.
Anyhow, with Aperture we both believe this is going to take things to a whole different level. Even right now he's actually sitting down and converting RAWs(we've currently rented a D2x to see if we're buying either two of those or the D200s. The benefit with the D200 is the leftover money can buy us a few new lenses that we'd enjoy dearly. Bodies get replaced so much more often than lenses...)
Its really made life a LOT easier for both of us. So much in fact that we've contacted B&H to sell our Mamiya equipment (sadly Calumet refuses to as they've got too many in stock).
The software is awesome, and will be even FASTER once we get the x800xt video card. Now the question isn't how can he get on the computer, but how can he get OFF. Another problem is how to get more storage space since the library can only span one disk. Its off to research setting up a RAID.
We can't wait. Aperture is just really, really intuitive. But it does have its problems...
efoto said:"it's your money, do whatever you want with it" which I took to mean you retarded kid, that is too much money for you to be spending right now
this is parent lingo 101
I got this a lot from my mother when I was younger. It really brings on the guilt factor Kimo
kbonnel said:this is parent lingo 101
Kimo
I always took it as permission
Westside guy said:So I'm assuming this is a fat/universal binary? Has anyone checked?
Nope, it isn't
Interesting. Perhaps another clue as to when Pro Intel Macs will be released e.g. *not* in January at MWSF.
I suppose it's possible, if Apple play nice, that a future updater may enable native execution on Intel Macs. At the moment it's not a deal-breaker.
i have a question about publishing web pages. Can you change the settings so you can publish with one click like with dot mac. except to a private website?
Trouble at the mill?
Ars has a review up at http://arstechnica.com/reviews/apps/aperture.ars ... seems that they're a little bit down on Aperture's performance, especially with the raw conversion. Page 5, and also later pages, in particular.
Anybody care to add comments from their personal experience?
From where I sit, even assuming that my Powerbook will do the job, this is a deal breaker. I'm not about to shoot raw, only to have the conversion end up utterly botched ... (fwiw: EOS 20D. Not that it's urgent; I really need better lenses before raw will give me significant improvements ...)
Ars has a review up at http://arstechnica.com/reviews/apps/aperture.ars ... seems that they're a little bit down on Aperture's performance, especially with the raw conversion. Page 5, and also later pages, in particular.
Anybody care to add comments from their personal experience?
From where I sit, even assuming that my Powerbook will do the job, this is a deal breaker. I'm not about to shoot raw, only to have the conversion end up utterly botched ... (fwiw: EOS 20D. Not that it's urgent; I really need better lenses before raw will give me significant improvements ...)
NoNameBrand said:I always took it as permissionkbonnel said:this is parent lingo 101
I always viewed it as an attempted guilt trip with a little bit of permission mixed in....something I often try to take advantage of whenever possilbe
In my latter years my dad finally realized that I often say things and want things that make no sense, ask him about it to get his opinion, but then rarely go through and make the purchases so he has relaxed a little bit....but still wigs out whenever it is something that he doesn't think is worth it.
sjl said:
Thanks for that link, interesting read.
As far as RAW, there are other benefits for you regardless of your lenses. If the conversions aren't the best that is something to worry about I suppose, but many other benefits can be had from shooting RAW even on 'lesser' glass. I don't have a specific link for a resource on this, but read around a bit for the benefits and 'features' of RAW and you may be surprised/impressed.
sjl said:
That article makes Aperture seem absolutely abysmal. The pro photogs raved about it (In the profile part of the Aperture website.) Are they on Apple's payroll?
. Arstechnica gave it a 4 out of 10 rating! Thanks for that link.... I'm sure that will make many photographers wait for version 2. Apple will get it right eventually and I think it will be the industry standard.
njmac said:That article makes Aperture seem absolutely abysmal. The pro photogs raved about it (In the profile part of the Aperture website.) Are they on Apple's payroll?
Apple will get it right eventually and I think it will be the industry standard.
Is this really a software problem or a hardware problem. Are the problems a result of the hardware not being able to handle the processing required?
I'm working on a multi-page review both for here, and for our Aperture "Wiki."
Should be done by the end of the week.
Should be done by the end of the week.
iGary said:
Thanks iGary, that would definitely be appreciated!
Also, I assume you must be changing your 'tar?
~Shard~ said:Thanks iGary, that would definitely be appreciated!
Also, I assume you must be changing your 'tar?
Nah, it's there.
Well, my version of Aperture came yesterday, and I just installed it late last night before heading off to bed. So hopefully in a day or two I'll have some comments of my own to add.
But regarding the ars review, a couple of points:
1. In the user comments after the review (which had a lot of good points), someone commented that there were 2 major criticisms of the software, but that both were fixable (poor RAW conversions and bugs, if my memory serves me). This person felt that the review "missed the forest for the trees" in getting too bogged down in these areas which probably would be fixed by version 1.02. The reply was "Well, this is what's shipping today!".
But is it really fair to expect a 1.00 version to be bug-free 5 days after it ships? And when a couple of major bugs appear, complain that it is garbage merely for that reason?
2. Almost 25% of the review was the reviewer's pet peeve about small fonts that are unreadable on large screens. While I sympathize (my PC laptop is a 15" with 1600 x 1400 pixels - great for page layout but almost blinding for small text), the question is really why do WE AS USERS choose monitors that "overpack" pixels just to get more real estate on screen? One can buy a native 1280 x 1024 LCD that ranges from 14" to 20" - needless to say, the later will be far more legible.
I'm very happy with what I've seen so far, while understanding the limits. I think the Stacks feature ROCKS, I'm excited about the Vault BU (a major selling point for me), the loupe is slow on my iMac but still useable - but it will allow me to choose pictures without having to open 6 or 8 inside PS to look at the detail.
My summary - although I do cross-platform development and program on my PC, I've always handled all my images, audio and video manipulations inside the Mac. If I stayed with it through all the "lean" years when the Mac's life was hanging by a thread, it's highly unlikely I'll ditch it anytime soon. Given the choice of a Mac combined with the way I work, I see Aperture as the way of the future. Hence I might as well start working with it ASAP and start developing my Aperture DB of images/meta data. Plus hope that Apple addresses the RAW issue (my only real concern) soon!
But regarding the ars review, a couple of points:
1. In the user comments after the review (which had a lot of good points), someone commented that there were 2 major criticisms of the software, but that both were fixable (poor RAW conversions and bugs, if my memory serves me). This person felt that the review "missed the forest for the trees" in getting too bogged down in these areas which probably would be fixed by version 1.02. The reply was "Well, this is what's shipping today!".
But is it really fair to expect a 1.00 version to be bug-free 5 days after it ships? And when a couple of major bugs appear, complain that it is garbage merely for that reason?
2. Almost 25% of the review was the reviewer's pet peeve about small fonts that are unreadable on large screens. While I sympathize (my PC laptop is a 15" with 1600 x 1400 pixels - great for page layout but almost blinding for small text), the question is really why do WE AS USERS choose monitors that "overpack" pixels just to get more real estate on screen? One can buy a native 1280 x 1024 LCD that ranges from 14" to 20" - needless to say, the later will be far more legible.
I'm very happy with what I've seen so far, while understanding the limits. I think the Stacks feature ROCKS, I'm excited about the Vault BU (a major selling point for me), the loupe is slow on my iMac but still useable - but it will allow me to choose pictures without having to open 6 or 8 inside PS to look at the detail.
My summary - although I do cross-platform development and program on my PC, I've always handled all my images, audio and video manipulations inside the Mac. If I stayed with it through all the "lean" years when the Mac's life was hanging by a thread, it's highly unlikely I'll ditch it anytime soon. Given the choice of a Mac combined with the way I work, I see Aperture as the way of the future. Hence I might as well start working with it ASAP and start developing my Aperture DB of images/meta data. Plus hope that Apple addresses the RAW issue (my only real concern) soon!
iGary said:
Excellent, I look forward to reading that. Are you noticing the final products lacking in quality? A buddy has a dual 1.8 G5 with x800xt (I believe) and he said that the final outputs look horrid, like "jpg 7" compression out of PS
....are you seeing this as well?CalfCanuck said:
Oh do tell, do tell. I've heard many complaints about RAW conversion and final output quality, but no ways to fix it. I've also heard/read that using the sharpening tool destroys the viewing quality, perhaps a bug in that tool specifically as well as others in the program.
Sunrunner said:
Software I believe. I've heard reports of people successfully running it on 12"PB's with a fixed 'checker' that allows the program to launch under a Go5200 card....and it runs 'fine' considering the 12"PB isn't the fastest computer to being with. Max the RAM and apparently it runs about as fast as PSCS2, granted slower than a PM w/ hot v.card, but my PSCS2 runs great so if Aperture ran that well, I'd use it. Even with the bugs, I'd use it as a effective 'upgrade' to storage means over iPhoto....just to get Stack and Versioning abilities.
I mean that both the initial bugs problems (freezing, etc) as well as RAW support will be fairly easily fixable by Apple. The fact that most issues seem to be easily "reproducible" means that these will also be easy for the software team to debug for our 1.01 upgrade. The RAW problems might take a bit longer, but the pessimism in the ars review ("it's too much of a task for Apple to implement successfully") is just nonsense!efoto said:
In the short term, my goal is to learn Aperture by developing a new DB of images for a long term project - (one where I won't be needing output immediately). I already have about 20,000 images that I never started developing in Cumulus (my current media management software), so I'll begin importing those in smaller batches and experimenting with tagging them, using the stacks feature, implementing my BU strategies, etc.
I will be avoiding any major exports for a bit. If I need to get an image, I can easily import it directly from PS (based on my naming system). I'm pretty confident that by the time I've got this program figured out, most of the major complaints will have been addressed.
It should be noted that even the Aperture literature suggested an incremental approach as you learn how to use the new work flow. If one imports 100,000 images the first day and starts screwing around with them, a lot of time will be wasted. Better to start small and learn to do it right!
After reading some of these reviews, I am thinking I'll either hold off until Aperture 2 or just pick up iPhoto 6 if some of these features are indeed going to be included, turning iPhoto into "Aperture Express" (informally of course) - that would be my preference, actually.
CalfCanuck said:
I see, I read that the first time around as being user-fixable somehow which spurred my interests.
You say you'll be avoiding any major exports, but don't the problems being seen come from when tools are applied and the 'version' is viewed looking quite low-quality? If the image is in Aperture doesn't the original always stay untouched and therefore can be retrieved by/through PS if you needed it for print?
I'm interested in Aperture as an upgraded storage means and sort method from iPhoto (which is horrid). If they can further implement more tools and make it work even better in the future, I'm all for it....but for the time being, I'm still intrigued even as a storage/sorting solution. Although that is assuming my images in the program stay untouched and 'original'