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The APFS roll out has been a nightmare on the Mac from the beginning. Apple provided almost no documentation to developers.

So the frustration over this error switch is the culmination of other errors? Okay, thanks for the context. Thank you.
 
This is so accurate! Catalina is a truly terrible release, but I seriously cannot comprehend the praise Microsoft gets for Windows 10... In my experience as a software developer, macOS is still miles ahead of Windows.

It is as reliable as OSx, uses and has more software (by several orders of magnitude), and has more hardware available for it (again, by several orders of magnitude).
 
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why would anybody bother backing up MacOS if everything is on the cloud these days?
1) Many iMac users who don’t have a dedicated SSD will create a clone on an external SSD to boot their machine from.
2) Hard drives can fail. Not “everything” is on the cloud.
3) Nothing is a more comprehensive way to backup than cloning a SSD (or HDD) and many users backup this way on a frequent basis.
 
I will be very curious to see A. how quickly Apple responds to this and B. if they respond at all. Doubtful. They really seem to enjoy kicking 3rd party devs in the shins. Just look at all the plug-ins that the latest Logic Pro X release hosed!
 
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No, Apple no. What are you doing? :eek: Are you serious? Have you heard about quality control? Fixing bugs instead of introducing new one? Today Windows is of better quality and stability than MacOS. Why, Apple, why?
 
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I don't get why they don't enlarge the software team by two people and just for once, read the community support forum and just squash bugs all day long.

Also move away from the yearly cicle of OS'es. I don't mind running the same OS for 3 years if it's stable and gets the job done.

If your machine allows for it: just move back to Mojave.
 
I used to be super happy with Apple Quality. Not any more. Apple degraded. Quality is not important for the many more. Poor quality bling-bling is what counts nowadays. They seem to have given up on macOS. They seem to laugh at developers (look at the developer documentation: it is horrible, horrible, horrible -- if even existing). It is not that they can't, it is just they they don't care (enough).

Personally I much more appreciated Apple when they were suffering and fighting. When they still and to make quality stuff to distinguish themselves.

*wishing Steve was still around. With a big whip*
 
so outside of people trying to steal Apple IP to load newer MacOS versions on older systems or create hack-instoshes it must be a very small community of people that's affected by this.
Bootable backups are nice to have. I’ve restored Macs from them in the past with a simple clone, rather than have to reinstall the OS manually.
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I don't get why they don't enlarge the software team by two people and just for once, read the community support forum and just squash bugs all day long.

Also move away from the yearly cicle of OS'es. I don't mind running the same OS for 3 years if it's stable and gets the job done.

If your machine allows for it: just move back to Mojave.

It isn’t necessarily a bug. It could be intentional. In any case, 10.15.5 seems pretty stable overall for me.
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I don't get why they don't enlarge the software team by two people and just for once, read the community support forum and just squash bugs all day long.

Also move away from the yearly cicle of OS'es. I don't mind running the same OS for 3 years if it's stable and gets the job done.

If your machine allows for it: just move back to Mojave.

It isn’t necessarily a bug. It could be intentional. In any case, 10.15.5 seems pretty stable overall for me.
Also move away from the yearly cicle of OS'es. I don't mind running the same OS for 3 years if it's stable and gets the job done.

If your machine allows for it: just move back to Mojave.
Microsoft makes major OS updates every 6 months and supports only selected older builds, even for enterprise users, usually for about 2 years from initial release.
 
It isn’t necessarily a bug. It could be intentional. In any case, 10.15.5 seems pretty stable overall for me.
Yes, it could be the proverbial "feature, not a bug". But as Mr. Bombich says, it's still wrong that the failing routine reports an error of zero--i.e, success. It's good to see that he has a CCC beta out (in a direction he was already heading, but having to prioritize once the false-success was discovered.) I recommend reading his site blog.
 
Apple is stretched too thin — no longer focused on a few key products and deliver them well. They’ve decided to compete in so many areas and their core products are now suffering because of it. iOS 13 has been a cluster**** right from the beginning and just shows that their QC processes for software are below par.
So correct.... Apple is no longer a computer company. They dismissed the enterprise customer base, they let Google stroll in and take all the schools and universities... They're a company with a " Social conscience "SURE! During the pandemic they dumped authorized repair companies while they were open and trying to help APPLE's Customers...when all of their stores were closed. Get used to the iOS because it's coming to the "Mac" so all of the put downs by Windows IT people will come true... Macs aren't serious computers you poke at pictures on the screen....It's coming... Thanks Tim Cook....
 
Just use Windows for one week and macOS will be perfect again. Believe me I’m an IT and half week I’m working for a big company with everything Microsoft related. HELL ON EARTH.

This is so accurate! Catalina is a truly terrible release, but I seriously cannot comprehend the praise Microsoft gets for Windows 10... In my experience as a software developer, macOS is still miles ahead of Windows.

Either you have no clue what you're doing, or are working with junk hardware as Windows 10 is extremely stable. Believe me, I'm also an IT for almost 20 years, and Windows 10 is really very stable. My clients rarely have Windows 10 issues (cannot blame MS or Windows for 3rd party app issues). As a matter of fact, I had a client that was a mix of Windows and macOS and BY FAR we had more issues with the Mac users than the Windows users. BY FAR.
 
Bootable backups are nice to have. I’ve restored Macs from them in the past with a simple clone, rather than have to reinstall the OS manually.
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It isn’t necessarily a bug. It could be intentional. In any case, 10.15.5 seems pretty stable overall for me.
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It isn’t necessarily a bug. It could be intentional. In any case, 10.15.5 seems pretty stable overall for me.

Microsoft makes major OS updates every 6 months and supports only selected older builds, even for enterprise users, usually for about 2 years from initial release.

Intentional or not, doesn't matter. Catalina has been pretty bad for a lot of people.

Also I don't compare to Windows. I just wish MacOs would be on a 3 year cicle with focus on stability. That's what used to be their huge selling point back in the day. "it just works", and it did! Now not so much anymore.

Btw: the hardware department is just as bad. From my own experience I can say the 2010 Mac Pro and the 2012 MacBook Pro 13" have been the most solid and reliable computers I have ever owned. And I own(ed) a lot of them.
 
Guess I was lucky that I last updated both bootable A & B clones for several machines under 10.15.4. Will likely keep one of those untouched on the shelf until this is resolved in some capacity, either via Apple or CCC somehow.
 
Just use Windows for one week and macOS will be perfect again. Believe me I’m an IT and half week I’m working for a big company with everything Microsoft related. HELL ON EARTH.

Yeah man that explains why so many gamers, game studios, 3d artists, video editors, financial sector, and 90% of the world's office workers are running the world's economy on Windows.

macOS is responsible for a slim part of the world economy and only has a few handfuls of computer configurations to support. And still Apple screws it up.
 
Such a mistake must not happen in a public subrelease of macOS, especially as there had been 5 beta versions of 10.15.5 where the community could have detected the bug...

Expecting beta testers to be creating bootable backups of their main drive with a Beta may not be a reasonable expectation. ;-)
 
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I also have to say Windows feels very solid now. At least from my testing. So it's not what it used to be anymore.
 
Every day Apple moves the ball closer and closer to the day when all Mac will run on a closed macOS system and only Apple approved store apps will run on their desktops and the complete elimination of 3rd party apps and access to the root level as we have accepted on iOS.
 
Catalina will go down as perhaps the worst OS ever. Not only is it buggy, it breaks things in such fundamental ways in which there's no workaround. So many companies abandoning their apps because of it. Cost too much to re-engineer. Reminds me of the old MacOS days.
 
Last night I was making a bootable pen-drive to fresh-install Catalina with the latest version (10.15.5) and now that read this, I’m not sure of formatting and installing this version from scratch.

If I’ve never used CCC, how does this affect me, e can potentially affect me? Can I still boot this drive externally when plugged to another Mac via USB? Not something that I’ve done many times, but just in case I’d like to know. Thank you.
 
Intentional or not, doesn't matter. Catalina has been pretty bad for a lot of people.

Also I don't compare to Windows. I just wish MacOs would be on a 3 year cicle with focus on stability. That's what used to be their huge selling point back in the day. "it just works", and it did! Now not so much anymore.

Btw: the hardware department is just as bad. From my own experience I can say the 2010 Mac Pro and the 2012 MacBook Pro 13" have been the most solid and reliable computers I have ever owned. And I own(ed) a lot of them.
The new MacBook Pros are promising. They fixed the most unreliable part (the keyboard). The 2016-2019 models otherwise were pretty good.
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Last night I was making a bootable pen-drive to fresh-install Catalina with the latest version (10.15.5) and now that read this, I’m not sure of formatting and installing this version from scratch.

If I’ve never used CCC, how does this affect me, e can potentially affect me? Can I still boot this drive externally when plugged to another Mac via USB? Not something that I’ve done many times, but just in case I’d like to know. Thank you.
If you created a bootable installation using Apple’s tools there is no issue. CCC was using its own method, which worked until this latest update.
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Expecting beta testers to be creating bootable backups of their main drive with a Beta may not be a reasonable expectation. ;-)
They discovered it in the last beta and filed a report. For all we know it is on Apple’s list to address, but they weren’t going to delay the release of the main update for it since it doesn’t affect many people.
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I also have to say Windows feels very solid now. At least from my testing. So it's not what it used to be anymore.
I still need to reboot a lot more often in Windows 10 than MacOS. Memory management is still an issue at times.
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Yes, it could be the proverbial "feature, not a bug". But as Mr. Bombich says, it's still wrong that the failing routine reports an error of zero--i.e, success. It's good to see that he has a CCC beta out (in a direction he was already heading, but having to prioritize once the false-success was discovered.) I recommend reading his site blog.
Yes, I read the blog post. Apple shouldn’t report a “success.”
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Either you have no clue what you're doing, or are working with junk hardware as Windows 10 is extremely stable. Believe me, I'm also an IT for almost 20 years, and Windows 10 is really very stable. My clients rarely have Windows 10 issues (cannot blame MS or Windows for 3rd party app issues). As a matter of fact, I had a client that was a mix of Windows and macOS and BY FAR we had more issues with the Mac users than the Windows users. BY FAR.
When IBM gave employees the choice between Windows and MacOS a few years ago, they claimed that supporting Mac users was far cheaper overall.
 
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