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Then you are a crappy IT guy who has no knowledge of his field. If you are good at your job, Windows shouldn't be any harder as setting up a Mac network. In fact it might even be easier. If you are talking about stability, Windows 10 is pretty stable and based on the PC's I have dealt with the last few years, MacOS has been a bigger problem when it comes to stability.

Just because you love MacOS and hate Windows and obviously, If, you were a good IT you would have kept up with, even if it wasn't required, on the latest of the Windows IT world. Companies don't hire a mac IT or a windows IT, they order an IT that is capable and assume will keep up with all current changes on both sides.
You don't sound like you're actually I.T. Nobody is talking about setting up computers. That initial process is, as you said, simple. It's even simple on Linux distros and FreeBSD, so hardly worth mentioning. The complexity comes from maintaining those computers over the course of years, as random bits of software gets installed on them (huge part of why I only give a select few admin). Over time, things get corrupted and bogged down with junk, and some operating systems handle that better than others. Windows has been notorious for not doing a great job at that, but Windows 10 has definitely improved things a great deal.

EDIT: Plus, nobody who has done I.T. for awhile would disparage other technicians. I.T. is not an easy field, and we all undergo some pain and suffering (looking at you, random having-a-bad-day-and-determined-to-make-someone-else-feel-the-same-way humans). I'd think we could all be a little sympathetic to each others' pain.
 
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It's hard to find kind words to express my feelings towards Apple right now.
Mmhhhmmm... Many times thought recently, although, certainly not limited to Apple.

It is as reliable as OSx, uses and has more software (by several orders of magnitude), and has more hardware available for it (again, by several orders of magnitude).
More reliable as BSoD is now rare, however, I can name at least three unreliable subsystem behaviors 1. USB protocol negotiation. You might have a drive that actually works at 3.0 speeds, though most of the time not. However, that same drive's transfer speeds are always consistent with macOS. 2. Not receiving updates? Oh, that's just Windows Update being broken again. Changes recently? Nope, just breaks itself from time to time -- a VERY longstanding issue 3. Drivers can be a huge pain. As manufacturers make small modifications to match their custom firmware, drivers don't work well. Try to install one directly from the manufacturer, e.g., Nvidia graphics on a Dell laptop, WU might just override that with a newer, generic Nvidia version posted to the Windows Update catalog. What a fun battle! -- I realize not exactly Micorosft's fault but they could do a better job helping to prevent it.

Pretty much \/
I have a Windows 10 system that refuses to update to maintain supportability. It goes through the update process over and over and always fails. I spent nearly an entire day tracking down the crumbs in the logs, and 'fixed' everything appropriate, and it STILL won't install the update. Windows 10 also has a hard time 'seeing' printers on the network. There is one that it just won't connect to, yet a different system had no problems. *shrug*

It's gotten better, but there are still a lot of 'mental issues' that popup from time to time.
Re-register DLLs, uninstall then reinstall drivers, restart, and so on without any change or face a follow-up problem.
 
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Microsoft has adopted a semi-annual update model for Windows 10, which, according to many posters here, is far more stable and superior to macOS, so the annual release cycle isn’t the problem.

There's some subtleties. One, Microsoft unbundled application updates from the OS, just like Android does. These run on a continuous update cycle. For example, a bug in Mail or Music doesn't need to wait for an OS update, it's silently auto-updated. Similarly, new features are rolled out in smaller chunks.

Microsoft Office does this as well, new features come every month with bug fixes potentially every other week. Major features are gated behind a preview switch and then with a cloud-metered rollout.

Apple is in a bad zone: too fast to ensure quality, too slow to fix problems satisfactorily.

Second, Microsoft has really dialed down the pace of core OS changes. They essentially skipped 19H2 and really there hasn't been many core changes since 1803. When MS skipped 19H2, a lot of people were pleased.
 
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From TidBits, October 2019:
Six Reasons Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

The most essential article on Apple I've read in years.

From that linked article:
Regressions Get Fixed. Old Bugs Get Ignored.... By definition, it’s not a new bug, it’s an old bug. Chances are, no one will ever be assigned to fix it.... One group I knew at Apple even made “Not a Regression” T-shirts. If a bug isn’t a regression, they don’t have to fix it.
This is disturbing - they actually celebrate not fixing old bugs?
 
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Meanwhile, Apple's own TimeMachine backup utility *still* does not support backing up to an APFS volume. The problem with big money is it makes you forget what's really important, what got you to where you are to begin with. Hey Apple: start thinking differently - think QUALITY. As an aside, I do think a lot of big tech companies are now suffering from a shortage of skilled engineers.
 
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Ok, so a few takeaways here.
1. Is it considered illegal to not use first party Apple software nowadays? What? It’s not like time machine has a ton of options or something. Also ransomware targets time machine backup. What about that?

2. Catalina is truely a disaster. Thankfully I still use high Sierra. I know, two years old. But aside from being slow, it’s ok.

3. Is Apple slowly abandoning macOS now? If so, why bother updating MacBook lineup with ARM processor?
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You are the most ideal customer Apple can have.

Time Machine is great for keeping track of historical file changes/revisions of user data. I leave full restore tasks to CCC by making a monthly clone (or full snapshot of what is known and good prior to any major change or upgrade). I also boot from the clone to verify before meatball brain surgery begins :)

Catalina has been a bumpy ride for many... I haven't experienced too many hiccups on a 12" upgraded from Mojave (~2 weeks after Catalina was released- mostly to be a canary/guinea pig for accessing enterprise stuff and see if I survived haha), a 2020 MBA i7 and a 2020 MBP 10th gen 2GHz i5.

I honestly don't think Apple is abandoning macOS, more likely trying to streamline development and releases to a more modern DevOps style approach that has a lot of legacy process and procedures tied to it like Queen Mary size boat anchors.
 
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This might be why I can't mount an encrypted volume on my Mac. Could use APFS for Windows to access the drive fine.
 
This is terrible. I’m assuming this also affects Superduper too? Catalina really is disappointing. I’m also having to work around major wake cycle crashes with external displays.
True, and I agree with his summary of the issue. I'm thinking this bug will affect "SuperDuper" as well as Carbon Copy Cloner? But at the same time? I suspect Apple is trying to slowly make disk replication software obsolete.
Yup, here's a blog post from today by the developer of the SuperDuper! backup software.
 
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More like “not fixing bugs that 1. Doesn’t deal enough damage, 2. Not enough noise about that bug.”
Nowhere in that section was amount of damage ever mentioned, only if it was a regression. Those Apple engineer T-shirts didn't say "Not Enough Damage", only "Not a Regression". And according to the article, "if you file a bug report, and the QA engineer determines that bug also exists in previous releases of the software, it’s marked “not a regression."" So by that logic, even if lots of people keep sending reports about that bug, it will keep getting marked as "not a regression" and never get fixed.
 
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You don't sound like you're actually I.T. Nobody is talking about setting up computers. That initial process is, as you said, simple. It's even simple on Linux distros and FreeBSD, so hardly worth mentioning. The complexity comes from maintaining those computers over the course of years, as random bits of software gets installed on them (huge part of why I only give a select few admin). Over time, things get corrupted and bogged down with junk, and some operating systems handle that better than others. Windows has been notorious for not doing a great job at that, but Windows 10 has definitely improved things a great deal.

EDIT: Plus, nobody who has done I.T. for awhile would disparage other technicians. I.T. is not an easy field, and we all undergo some pain and suffering (looking at you, random having-a-bad-day-and-determined-to-make-someone-else-feel-the-same-way humans). I'd think we could all be a little sympathetic to each others' pain.
He said for a week his company tried so it wasn't maintaining it was setting up. I haven't done IT since the Navy in 09 and being on a ship in the middle of nowhere with everyone and their mom trying to circumvent ways to post on social media etc etc and even then windows wasn't hell and at that time I hadn't touched a windows PC since maybe 2001 when xps in beta.
 
Whats the use of this APFS system?
I don't believe any one noticed any benefits yet troubles keep coming out.
 
I just want them to fix the bug that makes the mail app pop up randomly when I am using gmail (works fine with icloud).

Oh goodness yes.

For me it’s the dock that won’t minimise when full screening apps. The other day it was dictation that doubled text while using Safari. All long standing bugs.
 
why would anybody bother backing up MacOS if everything is on the cloud these days?

Upgrade your Mac and set it up by restoring just what's on iCloud. Then come back here and tell us all how much time you spent reconfiguring everything.

Educate yourself before you type random things that don't make sense.
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Sigh. I use CCC on a regular basis. Kudos to Bombich ad the CCC team not only for finding the bug, but creating a temporary solution.
CCC has saved me on so many occasions over the years. I'm happy to pay for it.
 
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I use CCC on a regular basis but I have ceased upgrading my MAC due to these style functionality changes in a dot release. As this issue is not yet declared a bug I'll refrain from expecting that it is fixed. Very happy that I am still on 10.15.1 and using Aldente for battery management which allows me manual control of the charging level. It looks like another bullet dodged by remaining where I am.
 
Meanwhile, Apple's own TimeMachine backup utility *still* does not support backing up to an APFS volume. The problem with big money is it makes you forget what's really important, what got you to where you are to begin with. Hey Apple: start thinking differently - think QUALITY. As an aside, I do think a lot of big tech companies are now suffering from a shortage of skilled engineers.

Here's a bit of information on that issue;Time Machine on an APFS disk

The author mentions APFS formated SSD's in the article.

It's a bit of a workaround, but can be done.
 
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Just use Windows for one week and macOS will be perfect again. Believe me I’m an IT and half week I’m working for a big company with everything Microsoft related. HELL ON EARTH.

Yes, I know!
I've been working as an ”IT guy” since more than 20 years and use Windows too. I'm not saying anything about things not being worse elsewhere. Still, I think things should work even better considering that that Apple is behind both the hardware and the software.

But sure, I know stuff is complicated when it comes to hardware and software – especially when it comes to the complexity of operating systems – but that doesn't mean quality control can't improve.
 
It struck me that Apple is and somehow is not following this:

"An excerpt from the 2007 launch of the iPhone where Steve Jobs quotes Alan Kay on
"People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware"
as one of the reasons that Apple built a revolutionary phone rather than just write the software"

Above quote taken from this video description where Steve Jobs quotes Alan Kay

I'm not sure where I stand with Apple, but in actuality I know that I stand with Apple and that it's that or use Windows 10 or any of the 1 million Linux distros.

I just can't tell where Apple wants to focus?

Is it to create hardware like they've always done or create software to go with said hardware that's in neverending beta.

The hardware is sadly set in stone but software is fluid, as in there's often way out of a problem, but sending an iMac on the market where there's USB ports, but the there's no connection to t from the motherboard to the actual USB ports is not happening.. why the same laissez-faire approach to software like macOS Catalina for instance.

I'm not as such complaining about macOS - Apple does what it does. But, there's some decisions that's just not thought through. Like the Music / iTunes debacle.

Again, I'd rather use macOS than Windows 10.

Having had it installed directly to replace macOS just recently(despite having it in a VM where it belongs)*
I can also attest to the fact that it's not a good place to spend your time.. file dialogs for one and the amount of whitespace and chevrons and checkboxes and running around between Control Panel and Settings, the right clicking and the sounds... oh man, the sounds.. on everything(turn those off asap!!) blip blop - inserted, ejected, navigation, attached device... thank heavens for macOS.

*Was making a Stardock Curtains theme and thought it was best to use Windows on Mac /general hardware forever. No - the interactions between apps is terrible.

Again, I might read into things too much and not understanding one bit of computing past or future.

No one asked for my opinion, but here we are.
 
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why would anybody bother backing up MacOS if everything is on the cloud these days?
I hope that is subtle sarcasm - if not I will tell why. I run a company. At any moment there may some form of IT failure. If that failure is on a critical path it must be fixed pronto. Can you guarantee the cloud will be available at that moment (looking at you Adobe!)? I basically will not trust anybody I cannot fire.
 
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