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Congratulations for demonstrating perfectly why this is anticompetitive.

I notice you don't have to grant permission for Apple to track you 24/7.
There are cheaper phones. Apple commands that premium partly because they are trusted by users to have data on the platform and don’t take lowlife approach to exploiting it.

The platform by the way, is the business. No third party has any rights that supersede the direction that the platform owner sets for the platform. Can you imagine a third party lens maker whinging that Canon or Nikon or Sony is “anticompetitive”? They’d get laughed out of town.
 
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And what apple apps are tracking you all the time?
Find My Friends (now called Find My)
Reminders with location based triggers
Homekit with location based triggers
Siri recommendations

Do I need to go on?

all the apple apps have the same options as third-party apps. Not seeing your point, sorry

Not seeing your point there. And generally untrue as Apple Apps use private APIs that third party apps can't.
 
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That’s just not so. Anything that limits competitive capabilities in a domain that Apple controls is “anti-competitive”. It sounds as if you may be mixing that concept up with “monopolistic” behavior, which has a high legal bar.

No. It's the opposite of anti-competitive. Apple is increasing the security and privacy of their devices to literally compete against Android. I've seen 60 year old users just click OK through several consecutive dialog boxes without reading them because they don't understand what the hell is going on. These users need a device that can keep their data secure without much thought.
 
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“Users trust Apple” says Apple...but Apple doesn’t trust other developers so they have to abide by different rules than Apples own apps. Good thing there is no other way to distribute apps on iOS or Apple would have no App Store developers on their App Store
Agree. Apple is the worst offender for tracking your usage. I recently installed DNS filter and Apple has 100’s of unique server addresses pulling all sorts of data, even when you’re Mac is idle. I basically block all Apple, Google, and any analytic domains.
 
I’m beginning to think most of those protesting either haven’t set up an iPhone in a long time and/or never go into settings (maybe because iPhones are generally so stable).
Or they simply have an agenda on their own.

I really applaud Apple doing this. If huge companies like Uber already misuse this tracking feature, you’ll bet the rest are even less ethical. If any of this devs can proof that they safeguard privacy as strictly as Apple, then I might bite. Other than that, kudos to Apple.

And no, I don’t think any developers would want to safeguard privacy, as those are the treasure trove for advertisers.
 
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UNSURPRISING that the same Apple apologists who routinely defend Apple's unpopular policies in its pursuit of profit, are offended that other businesses (apps) have similarly inconsiderate conditions.

To those hypocrites: do what you've preached. Don't like Google's conditions for using their Internet tools? Then find an alternative or build your own search engine. That includes replacing most Apple services that rely on Google's infrastructure to deliver. Including Siri, which relies on Google's search capabilities for its Internet searches.

Bit by bit, step by step, we will get there.

Siri uses Bing, if I am not mistaken, for its internet searches.
Browser - safari with ad blockers and DDG
Maps - Apple maps

In the short time I had iOS 13 installed on my iPad Pro, I noticed YouTube making use of Bluetooth. Sadly, I had to roll back as apps like Notability were not working right for me. I have no doubt that even as we speak, numerous apps on my ios devices are making use of settings and permissions they well shouldn’t.

Needless to say, when ios 13 is officially released, we will be revisiting this conversation.

6 weeks and counting down. Their days are numbered.
 
There are cheaper phones. Apple commands that premium partly because they are trusted by users to have data on the platform and don’t take lowlife approach to exploiting it.

The platform by the way, is the business. No third party has any rights that supersede the direction that the platform owner sets for the platform. Can you imagine a third party lens maker whinging that Canon or Nikon or Sony is “anticompetitive”? They’d get laughed out of town.
But the common narrative is Apple is bad, regardless how silly the narrative is. It works great for YouTube views and SEO.
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UNSURPRISING that the same Apple apologists who routinely defend Apple's unpopular policies in its pursuit of profit, are offended that other businesses (apps) have similarly inconsiderate conditions.

To those hypocrites: do what you've preached. Don't like Google's conditions for using their Internet tools? Then find an alternative or build your own search engine. That includes replacing most Apple services that rely on Google's infrastructure to deliver. Including Siri, which relies on Google's search capabilities for its Internet searches.
Siri uses bing, and I can turn off Siri.
Anything else you have? Or is that it?
 
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Find My Friends (now called Find My)
Reminders with location based triggers
Homekit with location based triggers
Siri recommendations...
Yes and no. You can turn all of these off. However, friends can always find you if you give them permission and it should be like that. Reminders with geofencing cannot work without location so it would cause confusion to set them up and not have them work, etc. To be fair find my, parts of the app won't work unless location services is enabled. And I suspect it's like that for the other apps cited.

So to me parts of the what you say is not 100% correct as in at least one case the app won't work correctly without location services. However, if you don't want location to track you, don't set up location based triggers. Pretty simple.

Other apps, like Compass, totally respect the location settings.
 
Can you imagine a third party lens maker whinging that Canon or Nikon or Sony is “anticompetitive”? They’d get laughed out of town.

Nonsense. Look at how Keurig got busted for antitrust by trying to lock out 3rd party k-cup manufacturers. The court ruled that Keurig had a monopoly on the "compatible cup market". That's how narrow markets can be defined. Even though the public is free to buy a coffee maker made by anyone else.
 
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In Android you can always change permissions even if you have given them access to track their location...in iOS if you are going to use Uber or Similar services, you have to given them access each time with an annoying pop-up
Not sure how you came to that conclusion. All Apple has done is change how always on is activated; In such a way that requires an added step that may give users pause to think about tracking.
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Nonsense. Look at how Keurig got busted for antitrust by trying to lock out 3rd party k-cup manufacturers. The court ruled that Keurig had a monopoly on the "compatible cup market". That's how narrow markets can be defined. Even though the public is free to buy a coffee maker made by anyone else.

Kuerig had something like 95% of the pod market and had licensing terms and took other actions to maintain control of the market. IIRC, the actual suit is ongoing, all that has happened is a judge let it go forward.

That’s not the case with phone market, nor cameras either.

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More importantly, if we don’t allow tracking how can we get important information such as “You won’t believe this new gadget that is saving people hundreds in (insert your location here)”
 
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it's not anti competitive if users can switch to a comparable platform

apple having it easier on their own apps is just one of the benefits of spending billions of dollars on building out the platform.

it's no different than google including chrome browser out of the box in the pixel device but mozilla has to ask users to click through several times to install firefox

If Apple is to play ball in all fairness it should apply same rules for its Apps as well. Especially now with Spotify complaint. I only wish Apple will not pay for this arrogance. I like the way the things are.
 
Congratulations for demonstrating perfectly why this is anticompetitive.

I notice you don't have to grant permission for Apple to track you 24/7.
Nobody is stopping the customer from installing any other apps, nor picking "always allow".

However you know the outcry that would ensue if Find My didn’t work because location services were off for the app. Apple is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
 
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You’re probably right, but do we have to dumb everything down because people don’t think?

We don't have to - but I can spare the 20 seconds to dig into Settings, if it means that privacy-invading businesses may eventually die out (which takes much more than this change from Apple, granted).
 
“This makes consumers more aware of apps that are tracking them continually”

That was a weak argument point from the developer but an excellent point for Apple:).
 
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I applaud Apple on the change.

A quick glance at the list of apps that are complaining about the change ... I realize how many non-critical apps are out there, and every one of these companies watch our every movement, collect data about us and are probably selling it. It's gotten to a point, when a company tells me "we have an app that....," I stop them and tell them "No. Just no."

I download only the most critical apps for work, flying. Companies need to reach a much, MUCH higher bar in order to have a place on my phone. Dating app ... pfft. Find nearby friends ... smh. Garbage apps.
 
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Siri uses bing, and I can turn off Siri.
Anything else you have? Or is that it?

Bing? Microsoft services are even more intrusive than Google's!

I'm not critiquing Apple's hipocracy. I'm critiquing the apologists who conveniently play the "it's a business" card when people complain about Apple's policies and customer compromises. They are the same apologists who sound an alarm when a non-Apple service or app has Terms of Service they aren't fond of.
 
Bing? Microsoft services are even more intrusive than Google's!

I'm not critiquing Apple's hipocracy. I'm critiquing the apologists who conveniently play the "it's a business" card when people complain about Apple's policies and customer compromises. They are the same apologists who sound an alarm when a non-Apple service or app has Terms of Service they aren't fond of.
What hypocrisy and who are the apologists (AS opposed to the critics that blindly criticize Apple at every chance even if their info is incorrect)? These are important system level functions that require location services to work (and there are only a few of them). Disabling location services disables some functionality in the app, so Apple does respect the app. And by not using location services in these apps solves the issue the critics are having.
 
The bigger issue is it looks like with rumors of apple adding more GPS and location based product.
For example they are rumored to make a tile like product. Well tile is going to have issues having access to location services which is what tile uses to put last known location of a tile plus uses the same thing to update others last known location. Apples will tie into private locations services that chances are will update for others with out even the app installed. Full time GPS tracking. It also the great example of why Apple in the crosses hairs multiple anti trust cases.
 
What hypocrisy and who are the apologists (AS opposed to the critics that blindly criticize Apple at every chance even if their info is incorrect)? These are important system level functions that require location services to work (and there are only a few of them). Disabling location services disables some functionality in the app, so Apple does respect the app. And by not using location services in these apps solves the issue the critics are having.

I was clarifying that I was addressing the hypocrisy of the usual apologists...not Apple's decision in this matter. The apologists know who they are. They aren't the average fanboi or brand ambassador. They are the excuse makers who consider every criticism to be uniformed or unreasonable. One of their favorite defenses when Apple disregards a customer's expectations—or exploits the relationship— is "Apple is a business! Don't like Apple's conditions? Tough! Find another brand. Your complaints aren't reasonable."

Yet when other brands (apps and services)—big or small—have unfavorable conditions, the same defenders of "business" cry foul. Of course, it irritates the apologists that they should have to forfeit the product's benefits and its membership. They shouldn't have to use a lesser product when the leading one could change its business practices.

Ultimately, everyone is going to be exploited somehow by the "connected lifestyle". The question is: Do you excuse it as a reality of business? Or do you demand rights and respect? You can't tell others what to accept from whom.
 
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If Apple is to play ball in all fairness it should apply same rules for its Apps as well. Especially now with Spotify complaint. I only wish Apple will not pay for this arrogance. I like the way the things are.

they don't have to play fair. they've been using private APIs that third party apps have no access to since the beginning of the app store.
 
Why do you feel entitled to tell me what I need? If you don't want an app, don't download it. But speak for yourself, thank you.

Has anyone liked your comment? No. I wan't the apps, but I don't want them tracking me ALL OF THE TIME. Apparently so do many, many people on here. I suspect you are one of the devs. Learn from what Apple are trying to pursue and action the changes to make your app better.
 
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