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And the creators of open source who gave Apple OS X on a silver platter in the form of FreeBSD still have received $0. Big deal.

Funny thing, that's exactly what the FreeBSD group expected and planned to happen.

By the way, you're ignoring the significant expense in time/effort/money expended by Apple in developing the parts of OS X (or macOS) that aren't FreeBSD.
 
There is literally no tech company that wouldn't swap with Apple's position right now in a heartbeat. Not one. Products and all, not just money.

I agree to a point. Which company wouldn't want Apple's margins and profits? Every company for sure! The weird thing is, Apple's hardware is badly dated across the board (macs haven't been updated in, like forever and the mobile line of products is well optimised but lacking in '2016 features'. The competition is fierce with high end Android devices battling head to head with Apple's best. Apple's core demographic has almost cult like dedication but everybody has a limit. With competition so fierce, so close and so tempting, how much longer can they milk the less Is more approach?
 
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No it's not the same.

And using the Internet is not the same as going outside. Just do a little homework on Pokemon Gos start up company and its ties with the CIA. The program Pokemon go uses was first tested by the military.

The rest of the info I uncovered was even more alarming and glad I don't download every thing that comes out of the AppStore.
With all the cameras everywhere and practically everyone having a cell phone, it's not that far off as far as that line of thinking goes.
 
I wonder how much of that 30% Apple had to pay to the credit card companies?
On one hand, it's a whole bunch of small charges, on the other hand, it's 71B and I would think, relatively few chargebacks....
I'll bet the credit card companies give them quite a discount.
 
What's the breakdown? Independents, majors, number of developers making little or nothing.?

Last I checked a couple of years ago, half the payout goes to the top two dozen big name app producers.

The rest is divided amongst up to a million (?) developers over the past eight years, with the majority not making enough to treat it as a day job.

Apple's own "Job Creation" page claims that there are 380,000 US developers, who have been paid $8 billion since 2008. That's an average of less than $3,000 per developer per year.
 
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I wonder how much of that 30% Apple had to pay to the credit card companies?
On one hand, it's a whole bunch of small charges, on the other hand, it's 71B and I would think, relatively few chargebacks....
Hard to say. Keep in mind though this is why Apple/Google/Microsoft don't charge your credit card immediately when making purchases. They'll wait a while for you to make an additional purchases before charging your card. Significantly reduces the card fees.
 
Even the CIA is making a profit off of Pokemon Go. If you don't know the real root of the game do a little research on niantic. You won't ever play the game again.

But.....I'm still okay to play Pokemon while I'm the middle of the desert At this "training camp " right??
 
Oh no the CIA knows I'm at 7/11 buying a monster ohhhh no

Maybe you just do more spy stuff than me?

Stupid jokes are exactly how they want you to react lol. Some people just sleep walk their entire way through life/
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But.....I'm still okay to play Pokemon while I'm the middle of the desert At this "training camp " right??

A world of people like you is how we got into this mess to begin with lol
 
Well, I don't get the whole Pokemon thing... $10 million a day. Wow.
 
Stupid jokes are exactly how they want you to react lol. Some people just sleep walk their entire way through life/
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A world of people like you is how we got into this mess to begin with lol

Sarcastic / cynical?? Do tell ;)
 
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What's the breakdown? Independents, majors, number of developers making little or nothing.
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I can provide one key breakdown: ~85% games, ~15% NON-games ... and that is precisely why Apple does NOT provide that breakdown; they don't want that getting out.

The NON-games sector of the App Store is disintegrating, and the pace is accelerating (and Apple knows this; but for some unknown reason, NOT a single financial analyst who covers Apple has picked-up on it) ... many NON-game apps have already been abandoned by their developer (Apple also knows this).

You can easily verify what I say by checking the version history of any apps that Apple recommends.

You can also easily verify apps that a Developer paid for their recommendation, such as Google's Motion Stills and the Polaroid Swing app; just check the breakdown of their ratings; the facts speak for themselves ... when Apple has to resort to new app develops paying for their recommendation, you know something is broken !

Today's comment by Tim Cook was simply meant to appease the masses (i.e., the sheep) who know no better.

There is also a reason Apple has NOT yet provided a better search engine, which would allow more fine-tuned searches ... the info I am describing would then become common knowledge, and they are ill-prepared for that. Once it does become common knowledge, their market cap will take a 20% or so hit. Hardware is becoming a commodity, their non-game apps sector is dying, and all they have left is games. Tim's gonna have a hard time spinning that with most investors.

Its NOT all doom & gloom though. Apple will be triggering a whole flood of upgraded apps, that are Wide Color-enabled, just as soon as the iPhone 7 (or whatever its called) is introduced. These new Wide Color-enabled apps will very-likely shift the breakdown alittle, but only time will tell how it ends up; my best guess, six months after the intro of the iPhone 7, it will be ~75% games, ~25% NON-games.
 
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inb4 someone has to be negative comment but...


will we get apple to report money lost on returns next month? the issues I have with the app store. You don't have try before you buy. So numbers can be off a bit as an unknown percentage of this will be deducted later as returns. It works for apple and buyers I guess...me being old fashioned like to do my demo's first then buy. Saves a few steps. I don't have to cancel the order and watch the credit card records for verification if I never used the CC in the first place.


has to be factored in. I am sure in the days leading up to say arkham knight release the publisher was going aww yeah look at the preorder pile of money. And within hours after release there was steam going umm, yeah, here is your new number after customers cancelled orders.
 
No it's not the same.

And using the Internet is not the same as going outside. Just do a little homework on Pokemon Gos start up company and its ties with the CIA. The program Pokemon go uses was first tested by the military.

The rest of the info I uncovered was even more alarming and glad I don't download every thing that comes out of the AppStore.
What precisely has you so alarmed and what is it about the Pokemon Go game in particular that would make me never want to play it if I knew more about it?

I'm not deriding your assertions, I am just trying to figure out how it's going to give the government more info on me and where I go and what I do than they already can derive from all my other data trails from grocery club cards, online medical records, Internet searches, Facebook posts, forum posts, public records, cellular location data, etc. I have an extremely limited contacts list on my iPhone. Limited photos mostly of pets and kids, absent of location metadata, and a really boring calendar and very few apps. The CIA or NSA will know I caught Pikachu and yet another #%£¥ rattata in the Best Buy parking lot this evening. Is it access to the camera that is problematic?
 
Sarcastic / cynical?? Do tell ;)

On a serious note, I had a read, very interesting .
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I'm not going to deny I can be a bit more paranoid than the average person lol, but really all I ask is to do a little digging into the game and its roots.

It's all I ask.
okay I had a read, interesting , I see what you mean
 
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What precisely has you so alarmed and what is it about the Pokemon Go game in particular that would make me never want to play it if I knew more about it?

I'm not deriding your assertions, I am just trying to figure out how it's going to give the government more info on me and where I go and what I do than they already can derive from all my other data trails from grocery club cards, online medical records, Internet searches, Facebook posts, forum posts, public records, cellular location data, etc. I have an extremely limited contacts list on my iPhone. Limited photos mostly of pets and kids, absent of location metadata, and a really boring calendar and very few apps. The CIA or NSA will know I caught Pikachu and yet another #%£¥ rattata in the Best Buy parking lot this evening. Is it access to the camera that is problematic?

Just do a little bit of digging. Start with niantic and their CEO John Hanke. Do a Google serch on Keyhole, Niantic labs and the technology they developed and sold to the CIA. Google also has a small hand in the pie. Just keep on going.
 
Just do a little bit of digging. Start with niantic and their CEO John Hanke. Do a Google serch on Keyhole, Niantic labs and the technology they developed and sold to the CIA. Google also has a small hand in the pie. Just keep on going.
Okay I can see now how hordes of foreigners on foot looking for Pokemon at strategic locations with their cameras on could be a boon to the CIA.

I tend to play only on the way to the store when my husband is driving. I catch quite a lot of Pokemon sitting on my butt in the car and even manage to scrape along the edge of a few Pokemon stops to snag a few extra goodies here and there. So much for getting me out exercising and getting fresh air and meeting people. :rolleyes: o_OAnd the CIA is mostly going to get pics of my feet, if anything. Actually I think my husband adjusted a setting so that the camera doesn't show anything now, so it wouldn't make me dizzy trying to aim at a Pokemon.

I'm trying to figure out how Pokemon is making anyone any money. If I remember correctly I downloaded it for free. I guess at some point people feel the need to buy stuff for it. I could see myself running out of Pokeballs at some point. I suppose then I would just delete the game. I clearly am not the player either Apple/Niantic/Nintendo or the CIA is looking for. :oops:
 
Funny, my girl was just talking to me about how Apple could possibly charge people for random things and most wouldn't even notice
 
Funny, my girl was just talking to me about how Apple could possibly charge people for random things and most wouldn't even notice
Unfortunately for the companies that have tried this in the past, it only takes a couple people to notice and start a class action lawsuit to make it unprofitable.
 
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