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And there would be many here claiming Apple juiced or forged the data. And of course they'd have ZERO evidence. Just another whine to get through the day yelling Apple is bad.
And there would be you and I7guy swallowing every single marketing article Apple spits out without even a single question as to its accuracy or intention. It's almost like people interpreting meaningless numbers like this is and has always been a thing.
 
Could be, dunno, maybe they just saw Apples evilness coming and got prepared upfront, but this doesn’t change the evidence of Apples anticompetitive behavior.
Seeing as we’re talking about the EXACT same service, one that one company was able to continue and one that wasn’t, that’s pretty clearly business incompetence.

But, no, let’s ascribe a business’s inability to compete to Apple being non-competitive :) I’m sure Apple is why MySpace isn’t around anymore.
 
This is the offshoot of the cancer known as app subscriptions. It's a software version of catfishing, where you keep sending them money until you have to cancel your account just to stop the withdrawals. A big start would be for Apple to crack down on the subscription model overall. Only highly sophisticated apps should require subscriptions -- everything else, including buying game upgrades to progress, should be banned.

This model has gotten way out of control and encourages this kind of activity.
You sure like having Apple act as your software nanny, don't you?
 
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The fact that Crystal Defenders appeared when you typed Crystal De is a result of the search algorithm determining that is what you are likely to be trying to type, not an indication of the exact name of a current, downloadable app on the App Store.

Search algorithm? For what?
This only appears this way in the App Store.
What does it pull from - a full list of all apps ever in the store?

If that is the case, it is a poor design.
 
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Ugh. The old security through obscurity argument. It's utter BS. I can count on one hand the number of pre-OSX mac that didn't have malware/virus that came in for repairs in the 90's. Zero. Every single machine brought in for repair had some sort of virus...every single one. Apple's market share back then was less than 5%, yet 100% of the machines I repaired had a virus on it. We used to have a betting pool on the number of viruses we would find. I would usually choose 3.
I can count on one hand the number of OSX macs that had malware/virus that came in for service. One. It was ad-ware caused by PICNIC/PEBMAC.
Pre-OSX mac shares 5%, OSX mac shares 15%. Mac gained market ground with the release of OSX, yet dramatically reduced the amount of malware at the same time. Security through better security, not security through obscurity.
You're not the only one who serviced Apple machines in the 90's, fella. And your claim is absolute bull.

I worked at both an Apple specialty store, and at a large retailer that did Apple authorized service during both the pre-and-post OSX times. Apple malware was also pretty rare on Classic mac operating systems. The vast majority of viruses we encountered were Excel macro viruses. We saw very few Macs with any other kind of virus come through our shop.

Now, you are correct in that OSX is more secure than the Classic Mac OS (just as NT-based Windows is more secure than DOS-based Windows was), but security by obscurity is absolutely what makes the MacOS and iOS more secure than alternatives, even today. You don't even have to take my word for it - it is the exact argument that Apple themselves are making when saying that allowing sideloading or third-party stores will compromise iOS security.
 
How about the "false positives" on this process? How does that relate to the percentage of fraudulent apps caught?
Absolute numbers are worthless...
I really doubt that there is a such thing as "false positives" when it comes to compiling the numbers for this kind of marketing publication.
 
Ugh. The old security through obscurity argument.
Actually my point was the exact opposite. I pointed out that back when the Mac marketshare was less than today there were a lot of viruses on the Mac. John Norstad's Disinfectant and Gatekeeper support was from 1989 to 1998 and were created because there was a problem. Their very existence and the documentation that came with them shows that even when the Mac marketshare was small there was malware on the Mac.

While promotional for anti virus software (which is of questionable value on the Mac) 10 Years of Mac Malware: How OS X Threats Have Evolved [Infographic] and Key Moments in the History of Mac Malware – 1982 to the Present give a brief history of the issue.

It's utter BS. I can count on one hand the number of pre-OSX mac that didn't have malware/virus that came in for repairs in the 90's. Zero.
Kind of proves my point doesn't it? If you think about it trojans and social engineering are far easier methods of delivery than your run of the mill virus.
 
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And there would be you and I7guy swallowing every single marketing article Apple spits out without even a single question as to its accuracy or intention. It's almost like people interpreting meaningless numbers like this is and has always been a thing.

Nope. I've criticized Apple when I thought it due. I suspect I7 does similarly. Nice try.

Me: Unlike you and others, knowing that this is not the first time Apple has reported this data, the roughly 1 billion active users Apple has, the number of apps in the App Store, the pervasiveness of credit card fraud, privacy breaches, spam, etc, and knowing Apple will soon be before a Congressional committee and under oath asked for underlying proprietary details, I'm able to come to the conclusion what Apple is claiming smells reasonable. I would certainly not call them a liar. And if I did do that, I'd immediately supply evidence/information supporting my assertion.

You: Apple is lying. End of story.
 
You mean the Target that suffered one of the worse data hacks of credit card data not that long ago?
"The pain was just beginning. On top of the lost profits, costs associated with the breach topped $200 million by mid-February 2014. These costs would rise significantly due to bank reimbursement demands, regulatory fines, and direct customer service costs. About 90 lawsuits were filed, leading to massive lawyer bills."

Source: https://slate.com/technology/2022/04/breached-excerpt-hartzog-solove-target.html

"Reimbursement demands" sure sounds a heck of a lot like the banks putting some onus of responsibility on Target. You would be deluding yourself to think Target did not take that as a very expensive lesson.
 
Target to Pay $18.5 Million to 47 States in Security Breach Settlement. That fraud prevention (ie security) worked so well /s
That is not the same thing - that was a data breach that cost them over $200M in the end including having to reimburse banks for the fraudulent charges.
 
LMAO. When was the last time you dealt with merchant over a fraudulent transaction? You don't. You deal with YOUR bank. The bank may have their own dealing with merchant separately, but it does not involve YOU in any way.
Literally hundreds of fraudulent transactions w/ people trying to use stolen credit cards, SS numbers, etc, at several i-device launches. Those were just the ones caught at the merchant level.

On the other side of things, I have had several transactions put on hold while I had to verify my identity to the merchant before they would ship my order.

Those were high ticket items, though. YMMV.
 
... user training to be able to detect malware ...
Oh please. How, pray tell, is a user supposed to know that a bonafide app from a respectable developer hasn't been infected with an upstream supply-chain attack unbeknownst to the dev? Apple may not catch them all but they're going to be a whole lot better at it than pretty much every end user (and as these kinds of attacks become more pervasive -- witness last week's CrateDepression -- probably better than developers themselves).

One can dislike the politics and economics of the situation but the technical reality doesn't care.
 
"The pain was just beginning. On top of the lost profits, costs associated with the breach topped $200 million by mid-February 2014. These costs would rise significantly due to bank reimbursement demands, regulatory fines, and direct customer service costs. About 90 lawsuits were filed, leading to massive lawyer bills."

Source: https://slate.com/technology/2022/04/breached-excerpt-hartzog-solove-target.html

"Reimbursement demands" sure sounds a heck of a lot like the banks putting some onus of responsibility on Target. You would be deluding yourself to think Target did not take that as a very expensive lesson.
That is not the same thing - that was a data breach that cost them over $200M in the end including having to reimburse banks for the fraudulent charges.
It wasn't the banks that $18.5 million went to: "Target will pay $18.5 million to 47 states and the District of Columbia as part of a settlement with state attorneys general over a huge security breach that compromised the data of millions of customers."
 
Fair point but how would a new App Store operator be able to demonstate that ability on day one? Perhaps there should be a requirement to produce a quarterly report on how they're keeping users safe, and if they're not up to snuff then they lose their license to operate?

Well, hopefully this app store company will have an accumulated a track record of results metrics that Apple can access along with the company's policies and procedures that have been in place, for some number of years. And Apple would compare their detection ability on a relative percentage basis to see if their results are somewhat consistent with Apples own internal findings. Again, on a relative percentage basis.

For a brand new day zero day alternate app store? Wow, that should give Apple a ton of pause going forward with a company with no experience. I suspect Apple would prudently stay way clear and seek out more experienced app stores with at least a track record to assess.

Would you insure your car or house with an insurance company that has no track record? Should you be required to? Of course not.

Similarly, Apple with super high standards, responsible for the safety of 1 billion+ customers, with their 30+ year reputation at stake should not be required to deal with brand new app stores with no demonstrated track record.
 
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