Can't one take the useless slab of glass off? I remember with some of the MBP's one could do that without causing any damage.
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Apple 27" Thunderbolt Displays Shipping to Stores
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Isn't this topic about whether the 27" TB displays are shipping rather than screen quality/reflectivity?
No it is not, that is just the title.
I'm always baffled by those who talk about how they could buy some apple product competitor with better performance stats for less money.
Among other reasons these are apples [ahem] to oranges comparisons is the form factor; the aesthetics of the product. To some this is meaningless, but to many the beauty of the product has genuine value.
The new thunderbolt display is only one example.
Another is the lowly MBA Superdrive, a great example of Apple design simplicity. Not only does the one piece aluminum case match the MBA, I cannot conceive of how it could be designed more simply.
There is satisfaction in competent function, but given adequate functionality, perhaps even a greater joy in the beauty of the thing.
Among other reasons these are apples [ahem] to oranges comparisons is the form factor; the aesthetics of the product. To some this is meaningless, but to many the beauty of the product has genuine value.
The new thunderbolt display is only one example.
Another is the lowly MBA Superdrive, a great example of Apple design simplicity. Not only does the one piece aluminum case match the MBA, I cannot conceive of how it could be designed more simply.
There is satisfaction in competent function, but given adequate functionality, perhaps even a greater joy in the beauty of the thing.
Akin to the joy I feel using my Snap-On socket wrench set - while Craftsmen wrenches are as good a quality, with a better warranty, at a lower price - the Snap-On sockets are a joy to use because of their beautiful lines.
</sarcasm>
Do you have your Snap-On socket wrench set sitting on your desk in your (maybe carefully decorated) living-/bed-/private office room?
Do you have your Snap-On socket wrench set sitting on your desk in your (maybe carefully decorated) living-/bed-/private office room?
The more time you spend with your tool, the more important that it looks good.
You are completely right. And that is exactly why it is so disappointing that Apple did not develop an aesthetically pleasing anti-glare screen.
"competent function", that's the issue here.
I'd rather not have bought a monitor from Dell, but I had to. And actually, it was not that much cheaper.
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Shipping and when i read is 200 posts about Glossy or Not ?
If you don't have afford to buy this Display or don't like Glossy buy a ****ing ugly Dell instead, whats the problem?
I would never buy a MBP, Display or iMac without Glossy.
So where is the thread about Shipping? i can tell you that my order was shipped today
If you don't have afford to buy this Display or don't like Glossy buy a ****ing ugly Dell instead, whats the problem?
I would never buy a MBP, Display or iMac without Glossy.
So where is the thread about Shipping? i can tell you that my order was shipped today
Shipping and when i read is 200 posts about Glossy or Not ?
If you don't have afford to buy this Display or don't like Glossy buy a ****ing ugly Dell instead, whats the problem?
I would never buy a MBP, Display or iMac without Glossy.
So where is the thread about Shipping? i can tell you that my order was shipped today
great to hear!! when did you order, where are you based???
Anyway Dell Ultrasharp quality is highly variable at best. Go read their support forum and see all the complaints and multiple returns.
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In this case its mostly people who think cheap 27" TN panels with low resolution and crappy screen is somehow the same thing. They also do't know that al 27" monitors at this resolution and quality are as much or more. So wine, whine, whine.
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How do you know its "many"? Because you see some people on internet forums whining about it?
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Puh-lease. There is nothing magic about USB 3.0. TB smokes it in every way. not just speed but functionality. Your complaint about cost of FW 800 drives is silly. They are the same or marginally more than USB 3 drives.
Nothing substandard about the display in any regard. Thats just a dumb thing to say.
No Apple doesn't bait and switch for new version in the way you describe. Give an example. Because you can't.
You should switch to PC's and Windows so you have something real to complain about.
QUOTE=MagnusVonMagnum;13309789]What a super lame excuse for shipping a sub-standard product that is already over 3 years out of date the day it ships in that regard.
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Dude, I don't know what's up with the -------- in your reply, but it makes your post incredibly difficult to follow since you seem to be replying to comments after the quotes part of the time and before the rest of the time.
You missed price and availability of peripherals. It's kind of hard to enjoy Thunderbolt if you can't buy anything for it whereas I own two USB 3.0 drives already and I don't even have a USB 3.0 interface. That's because all drives being made now are USB 3.0 by default. There is no point in putting out USB 2.0 drives when they fully backwards compatible whereas NOTHING is compatible with TB except vaporware.
Yeah sure they are. And pigs can fly.
The cheapest 3TB FW800 drive I could find online in a pinch was $167 (from one vendor; everyone else was around $200 for it) whereas I had no trouble finding 3TB USB 3.0 drives for as low as $104. So, I guess you must call $63-100 more for the same capacity drive "marginal". I do not. That's 1.6x-2.0x more for the same capacity drive and the FW800 drive will be 40-60% SLOWER due to limitations of the FW800 interface compared to USB 3.0 (i.e. expect around 100MB/sec maximum with FW800 whereas you can get 140-200MB/sec with a typical regular hard drive with USB 3.0 (limitation of the drive) and faster yet with SSD drives. I don't call 1.5x-2.0x faster "silly". Basically, you're paying as much as 2x more for 1/2 the speed.
You missed price and availability of peripherals. It's kind of hard to enjoy Thunderbolt if you can't buy anything for it whereas I own two USB 3.0 drives already and I don't even have a USB 3.0 interface. That's because all drives being made now are USB 3.0 by default. There is no point in putting out USB 2.0 drives when they fully backwards compatible whereas NOTHING is compatible with TB except vaporware.
Yeah sure they are. And pigs can fly.
The cheapest 3TB FW800 drive I could find online in a pinch was $167 (from one vendor; everyone else was around $200 for it) whereas I had no trouble finding 3TB USB 3.0 drives for as low as $104. So, I guess you must call $63-100 more for the same capacity drive "marginal". I do not. That's 1.6x-2.0x more for the same capacity drive and the FW800 drive will be 40-60% SLOWER due to limitations of the FW800 interface compared to USB 3.0 (i.e. expect around 100MB/sec maximum with FW800 whereas you can get 140-200MB/sec with a typical regular hard drive with USB 3.0 (limitation of the drive) and faster yet with SSD drives. I don't call 1.5x-2.0x faster "silly". Basically, you're paying as much as 2x more for 1/2 the speed.
Har har! Good one. But, I lament loss of a usable COMPUTING ratio, too. 4:3 would be great, 2560 x 1920. Then I could swivel it for doc reading.
I have a 27" iMac and like the wide screen for computing tasks. I can run a terminal session and a text editor side by aside and even, Sometimes I have to a browser with some kind of technical reference it in. All three can fit side by side.
Well that's great. I also have a 27" iMac, and a 30" ACD attached to it, and the 30" at 2560x1600 is barely tall enough to handle the amount of "context" I'm looking for. A terminal window is bare text, so in most cases 1440 is actually more than adequate. Terminal windows are usually OK at VGA. That is, terminal windows are not a good standard for vertical adequacy.
Wide screen is NOT more horizontal space, it is LESS vertical space.
Give me a break. It's NEITHER. It's an aspect-ratio, nothing more. Get over it.
Thunderbolt 27 inch displays do NOT work with Mac Pro
T-Bolt blues... Today I went to the Apple store and told them that I would like 2 Thunderbolt 27 inch displays for my Mac Pro, and the sales staff (3 different people) sold them to me gladly. I got them home and although the thunderbolt connector fit perfectly into my mini port it did not work (not suprising). After 3 hours back in forth with the local genius bar and apple care central we all found out that there is no solution whats so ever to pair the T-bolt display to my macpro. Not even an adapter of any kind is available. So off I went back to the apple store to return them. Bummer.
T-Bolt blues... Today I went to the Apple store and told them that I would like 2 Thunderbolt 27 inch displays for my Mac Pro, and the sales staff (3 different people) sold them to me gladly. I got them home and although the thunderbolt connector fit perfectly into my mini port it did not work (not suprising). After 3 hours back in forth with the local genius bar and apple care central we all found out that there is no solution whats so ever to pair the T-bolt display to my macpro
. Not even an adapter of any kind is available. So off I went back to the apple store to return them. Bummer.T-Bolt blues... Today I went to the Apple store and told them that I would like 2 Thunderbolt 27 inch displays for my Mac Pro, and the sales staff (3 different people) sold them to me gladly. I got them home and although the thunderbolt connector fit perfectly into my mini port it did not work (not suprising). After 3 hours back in forth with the local genius bar and apple care central we all found out that there is no solution whats so ever to pair the T-bolt display to my macpro
Being Apple staff, they should've told you that it didn't work with Macs without thunderbolt (ie Mac Pro and all previous versions of the other Macs) instead of selling to you gladly. Did they really take 3 hours to find out?
edit: or am I wrong here, does it work on other Macs through the minidisplay port? On the Applestore online, the Mac Pro only has the old LED Cinema as add-on option, but that could be also because users wouldn't get upset when the thunderbolt pass-through feature wouldn't work. You should be able to connect two of the old LED Cinemas to each of the Mac Pro's minidisplayports for a dual monitor setup?
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T-Bolt blues... Today I went to the Apple store and told them that I would like 2 Thunderbolt 27 inch displays for my Mac Pro, and the sales staff (3 different people) sold them to me gladly. I got them home and although the thunderbolt connector fit perfectly into my mini port it did not work (not suprising). After 3 hours back in forth with the local genius bar and apple care central we all found out that there is no solution whats so ever to pair the T-bolt display to my macpro
Given that your system can't utilize the hub on the back of a Apple Thunderbolt Display, you would be better off with a couple of Apple LED Cinema Displays.
Beyond the addition of Thunderbolt, the specs of the displays are essentially the same, AFAIK.
Only differences that I'm aware of are the following:
- FireWire 800 port -> (do you need this?)
- Gigabit Ethernet port -> (for MBA users)
- Thunderbolt port -> (can't use this anyway)
- Built-in FaceTime HD camera with microphone -> (so, better camera resolution than iSight camera with microphone in ACD)
Yes 3 hours in deed. I really need the camera/ Mic for my business with Skype, and I hate to buy these thinking that someone will eventually make an aftermarket converter. I want to but the next refresh macbook pro and will want T-Bolt. So I'll save my bread for the MBP refresh and then hope for an adapter. Thanks for the reply.