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Apple 30inch LCD?
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i bought into the gateway destination thing five years ago. it came with a 36" monitor, which i thought was the greatest thing in the world. until i tried to use it. it's simply too big. you would have to sit back from the screen (in my case about five feet back) and working on the computer became very, very agrivating. i still use the destination as an entertainment center, but as a computer it's dead. At a resolution that high, you couldn't sit back and still read the scree, and a screen that big you can't just sit at a desk and have it three inches in front of your face.
if apple releases a 30", i expect it to be part of a destination-type system. you'd need wireless keyboard/mouse to allow people to sit on their couch, include an eye-tv type program, and a small form factor on the computer itself (think cube-ish. plasma tv's have a box about the size and shape of a cube, if i'm not mistaken).
if apple releases a 30", i expect it to be part of a destination-type system. you'd need wireless keyboard/mouse to allow people to sit on their couch, include an eye-tv type program, and a small form factor on the computer itself (think cube-ish. plasma tv's have a box about the size and shape of a cube, if i'm not mistaken).
30"?!! hmm. way too big if you ask me. I can't believe there's enough of a market for that kind of size, at least not from Apple. But maybe they'll be Windows compatible?
It does open up for a lot of good day-dreaming, though. Especially if paired with some other rumours that's been going around.
There was something about Apple and Sony playing together - imagine Playstation 3 on this 30"! And Apple has grazed this market before, remember the Pippin?
Also, I think I heard something about TiVo and Apple? That was maybe just about having the Mac send pics from iPhoto to the TiVo via Bluetooth or something, but i'd rather watch TV on my Mac (I already do with my Eye TV, but...) than watch pictures on my TV.
This could also fit in with «the year of the laptop». Why not eliminate the desktop computer entirely, just hav one of these 30" babies at home (or at the office - or both!) and connect your powerbook (wirelessly?)
If Apple really is coming out with a 30" monitor, it will be interesting to see how they will be marketing it. The 22" and 23" have been almost exclusively targeted at video professionals and to a certain extent graphic designers, lay-out and maybe architects? It has not been hyped as a lifestyle product, not even after they dumped the prices, although it certainly has the potential.
Maybe that will change with this new product?
It does open up for a lot of good day-dreaming, though. Especially if paired with some other rumours that's been going around.
There was something about Apple and Sony playing together - imagine Playstation 3 on this 30"! And Apple has grazed this market before, remember the Pippin?
Also, I think I heard something about TiVo and Apple? That was maybe just about having the Mac send pics from iPhoto to the TiVo via Bluetooth or something, but i'd rather watch TV on my Mac (I already do with my Eye TV, but...) than watch pictures on my TV.
This could also fit in with «the year of the laptop». Why not eliminate the desktop computer entirely, just hav one of these 30" babies at home (or at the office - or both!) and connect your powerbook (wirelessly?)
If Apple really is coming out with a 30" monitor, it will be interesting to see how they will be marketing it. The 22" and 23" have been almost exclusively targeted at video professionals and to a certain extent graphic designers, lay-out and maybe architects? It has not been hyped as a lifestyle product, not even after they dumped the prices, although it certainly has the potential.
Maybe that will change with this new product?
There are people who could use a 30 inch screen,
I work on a 22 inch cinema and it is often still to small. When working with programs such as final cut, boris red, and most often after effects, i find that the timelines can become so complex that any extra space is a lifesaver. I dont see much of a demand from the home consumer for a product like this, but for the video and design professional this product would be ideal.
I work on a 22 inch cinema and it is often still to small. When working with programs such as final cut, boris red, and most often after effects, i find that the timelines can become so complex that any extra space is a lifesaver. I dont see much of a demand from the home consumer for a product like this, but for the video and design professional this product would be ideal.
A 30" screen would rock. I would try and get one, although I could never afford it until they were in the refurbed pile at a store. Anyways, I really wouldn't want to watch regular tv on it either, can you imagine how small a 640x480 window would look on a screen of that resolution? HDTV I could see, but then it would require service and people would bitch if it cost extra.
Apple might want to make the OS adjustable with font size and menu bar sizes if the screen is going to be this big. I can't imagine how tiny all the words would be on it.
Apple might want to make the OS adjustable with font size and menu bar sizes if the screen is going to be this big. I can't imagine how tiny all the words would be on it.
I imagine there is quite a difference between 36" 4:3 display and a 30" 16:10 display... I have a feeling that 30" 16:10 would probably be about as big as you can get for general on-desk use, though.
I can easily see the 36" crt display as being 'too big', the fact that it was 4:3 and ALSO bigger to boot means that it was surely much more of a beast.
I can easily see the 36" crt display as being 'too big', the fact that it was 4:3 and ALSO bigger to boot means that it was surely much more of a beast.
geez.. to all you guys complaining that the screen size is TOO BIG, ever think that maybe it wasn't designed for YOU?? there are lots of different markets to be catered to, and i'm SURE that SOME people out there will find a 30" screen very useful.. those will also be the same ppl who can actually afford the new screen.. so quit yer whining and stop being so self-centered.. not everything apple does must satisfy you personally! 
I agree this is way too big for most people, but I'd love to have two of these sitting next to each other for audio work. Just a fantasy I'm afraid. You could view plugins, instruments, waveforms, mixer, sequence, etc. all at once without flipping through window sets. awesome.
Originally posted by nickmcghie
geez.. to all you guys complaining that the screen size is TOO BIG, ever think that maybe it wasn't designed for YOU?? there are lots of different markets to be catered to, and i'm SURE that SOME people out there will find a 30" screen very useful.. those will also be the same ppl who can actually afford the new screen.. so quit yer whining and stop being so self-centered.. not everything apple does must satisfy you personally!
right. but i'd hate to see apple having to discontinue a product like this after investing both time and money in it. it will make them look bad, and set them back financially. a product has to have a certain sustainability to be profitable, and i honestly think that there aren't that many who actually needs this, and even fewer who can afford it.
then again, if someone can sell a 30" monitor, it's apple.
but i'd much rather see them make an affordable widescreen 17" to replace the current 4:3 17"
oh and a bluetooth iPod to be controlled with Sony Ericsson Clicker
Slap a tuner on
Slap a tuner on to that 30" screen put it on the wall, and yeah I would love one provided the price is right.
More and more people use the computer more than they watch TV. Something like this helps propel that transition. Watch your DVDs in progressive glory.
Slap a tuner on to that 30" screen put it on the wall, and yeah I would love one provided the price is right.
More and more people use the computer more than they watch TV. Something like this helps propel that transition. Watch your DVDs in progressive glory.
if it is true, forget about buying a 42" plasma idiotbox, just get one of these things and plug it into the stereo, cable etc and kick off yer shoes, sit back and relax in front of a screen that is better than HDTV. hmmm
30" is pretty alright with me...
My current TV is only 20" and a 4:3 - though it is a digital picture (early adopter Panasonic from 1987). I think a 30" Cinema display would work quite nicely - DVD viewing would be great and I would have much more work space than my G3 Wallstreet currently provides.
Now, to find a portfolio bag that is padded for transportability
If your going big screen, why stop with a 17" PowerBook
My current TV is only 20" and a 4:3 - though it is a digital picture (early adopter Panasonic from 1987). I think a 30" Cinema display would work quite nicely - DVD viewing would be great and I would have much more work space than my G3 Wallstreet currently provides.
Now, to find a portfolio bag that is padded for transportability
If your going big screen, why stop with a 17" PowerBook
think HD market
The HiDef/HDTV market is still wide open and largely
untapped by manufacturers, broadcasters, and consumers.
This 30" (and any successors) could be in the sweet spot between existing HDTVs and Apple's own Cimena Displays. Apple as a distribution channel/broadcasting partner? This $.99/song audio deal is a good clue. .mac, QuickTime channels (old but still around)... Apple is good with HW and SW collaboration. iChat and AOL come to mind. A major content owner, Sony's name has been mentioned lately. Signoff all the way to the top for media distro is quite another collaboration, but... Consumers? Apple has the most avid, loyal, gadget-loving, consumer base around.
end ramble.
The HiDef/HDTV market is still wide open and largely
untapped by manufacturers, broadcasters, and consumers.
This 30" (and any successors) could be in the sweet spot between existing HDTVs and Apple's own Cimena Displays. Apple as a distribution channel/broadcasting partner? This $.99/song audio deal is a good clue. .mac, QuickTime channels (old but still around)... Apple is good with HW and SW collaboration. iChat and AOL come to mind. A major content owner, Sony's name has been mentioned lately. Signoff all the way to the top for media distro is quite another collaboration, but... Consumers? Apple has the most avid, loyal, gadget-loving, consumer base around.
end ramble.
a lot of powermacs are set up dual 21 inch
These will be an orthogonal 14.5 inch high x 23.29 inch wide to get the 30 inch diagonal. I use dual 21 inch monitors that are are 11.5 x 15.5 x 19 actual size. Considering that this setup creates an unavoidable 4 inch strip between the 2 monitors, I suspect that the 30 inch cinema displays will sell like hotcakes.
Throw up pallettes, menu bar and dock and you probably have a useable 12.5 x 20 inch. Not bad.
Experiment. Print and assemble or draw an image 14.5 x 23.29, and create a monitor mockup. Then decide if it is too large or unwieldy.
Personally, if it is the same price $3500 or less than the old 22 inch Cinema, then I'm in on this. As a side note, Wacom needs to build a 16:10 format tablet.
These will be an orthogonal 14.5 inch high x 23.29 inch wide to get the 30 inch diagonal. I use dual 21 inch monitors that are are 11.5 x 15.5 x 19 actual size. Considering that this setup creates an unavoidable 4 inch strip between the 2 monitors, I suspect that the 30 inch cinema displays will sell like hotcakes.
Throw up pallettes, menu bar and dock and you probably have a useable 12.5 x 20 inch. Not bad.
Experiment. Print and assemble or draw an image 14.5 x 23.29, and create a monitor mockup. Then decide if it is too large or unwieldy.
Personally, if it is the same price $3500 or less than the old 22 inch Cinema, then I'm in on this. As a side note, Wacom needs to build a 16:10 format tablet.
Adding to that, what about the people that use Shake, if you've ever seen it it would be so useful to have a massive screen res for it
Using the 30" as a TV
Seriously, I think that many people are overestimating the ability of a computer monitor to substitute for a TV. A good rule of thumb is that seating distance for video should be about three to six screen widths away from the screen. If you go through the math, that is around 2-4 feet seating distance for a 30" 16:9 screen. Of course, your personal home theater setup may vary.
Furthermore, putting a TV screen on the wall will increase the size needed for the same viewing experience. Having a conventional or rear projection TV puts the screen surface about 18" in front of the wall in a typical home setup. By mounting a plasma or LCD screen directly on the wall, the viewing distance is increased, requiring a larger screen for the same relative viewing experience. Again, if you work through the math, this works out to be about a 10" increase in the screen diagonal -- in other words, if you have a 50" RPTV, you'll need a 60" plasma on the wall to get the same viewing angle. A 30" screen on the wall is more like a 21-24" conventional TV.
Besides, a quick trip to Best Buy or Circuit City will show (to me at least), that the minimum usable size for a conventional 16:9 TV for typical home use would be a 34" model. The screen height for this screen is along the lines of a 27" 4:3 TV. A wall mounted screen of the same size would have to be at least 42" for the same viewing angle coverage.
It will be nice if we can get a 30" LCD screen. I just wouldn't expect it to be an adequate substitute for a TV. When a wall mountable 42" HDTV computer monitor becomes available, then we can talk.
Seriously, I think that many people are overestimating the ability of a computer monitor to substitute for a TV. A good rule of thumb is that seating distance for video should be about three to six screen widths away from the screen. If you go through the math, that is around 2-4 feet seating distance for a 30" 16:9 screen. Of course, your personal home theater setup may vary.
Furthermore, putting a TV screen on the wall will increase the size needed for the same viewing experience. Having a conventional or rear projection TV puts the screen surface about 18" in front of the wall in a typical home setup. By mounting a plasma or LCD screen directly on the wall, the viewing distance is increased, requiring a larger screen for the same relative viewing experience. Again, if you work through the math, this works out to be about a 10" increase in the screen diagonal -- in other words, if you have a 50" RPTV, you'll need a 60" plasma on the wall to get the same viewing angle. A 30" screen on the wall is more like a 21-24" conventional TV.
Besides, a quick trip to Best Buy or Circuit City will show (to me at least), that the minimum usable size for a conventional 16:9 TV for typical home use would be a 34" model. The screen height for this screen is along the lines of a 27" 4:3 TV. A wall mounted screen of the same size would have to be at least 42" for the same viewing angle coverage.
It will be nice if we can get a 30" LCD screen. I just wouldn't expect it to be an adequate substitute for a TV. When a wall mountable 42" HDTV computer monitor becomes available, then we can talk.
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