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Apple 30inch LCD?
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As strange as that sounds, I agree with you. When people walk by my office and gawk at the 22" Cinema Display, they immediately ask if they can have it when I retire, quit or die. (or words to that effect!) One of the first things I say to them is "Actually, one gets used to the size rather quickly and I wish I had two of them," which usually gets a quizzical look and a snort of disbelief. With my mail on one part of the screen, the Web open on another part, and documents on another, I find myself often shifting and collapsing windows despite the unusually large size.
So 30 inch in the future? BRING IT ON!!!
Originally posted by voicegy
As strange as that sounds, I agree with you. When people walk by my office and gawk at the 22" Cinema Display, they immediately ask if they can have it when I retire, quit or die. (or words to that effect!) One of the first things I say to them is "Actually, one gets used to the size rather quickly and I wish I had two of them," which usually gets a quizzical look and a snort of disbelief. With my mail on one part of the screen, the Web open on another part, and documents on another, I find myself often shifting and collapsing windows despite the unusually large size.
So 30 inch in the future? BRING IT ON!!!
I sometimes use a 22" Cinema at work and I know what you're talking about. With so much screen real estate and the computing power to back it up, you get used to having many applications open at once, and before you know it you're out of desktop space. If you like hi-res go for the 23" Cinema, which is a much higher resolution display than the 22.
More is better...
Look, more desktop space is almost *always* better. The average printer these days puts out 600dpi. Monitors are miserably poor resolution devices. This might not mean much to the average home user/ web surfer, but to anyone working on a Mac more space is better.
It's not going to hurt your eyes any more than the current screens do unless you blow up your windows too big. In general you'll find that you use lots of windows and only need to focus on one at a time. Like having a dozen sheets of paper on your desk. It's the lack of resolution that hurts your eyes when you sit too close to the TV.
I'm an engineer and always work in dual display mode. Big schematics, long source code, lots of little debugging windows, X11 windows from my Sun, reference documents... It's always better to have them all up at once. As soon as you have to swap windows, you're asking for bugs.
One thing that really needs to improve though is the mouse... One guy I work with uses 3 21" CRTs and it takes *forever* to mouse across them...
This is not going to be a TV. All the M$ talk about convergance of the computer with the television was bunk. You work on a computer, you lounge in front of the TV. Granted I'm in a rather small appartment where I eat, work and recreate at my desk, but most people don't want to have to move the desk chair to see the TV. All those pixels will just go to waste once you're a few feet away.
The good news here, I think, is that the 23" might become more affordable once this is out. Then in a few years, the 30" will be affordable and I'll be drooling over the next "big" thing...
Look, more desktop space is almost *always* better. The average printer these days puts out 600dpi. Monitors are miserably poor resolution devices. This might not mean much to the average home user/ web surfer, but to anyone working on a Mac more space is better.
It's not going to hurt your eyes any more than the current screens do unless you blow up your windows too big. In general you'll find that you use lots of windows and only need to focus on one at a time. Like having a dozen sheets of paper on your desk. It's the lack of resolution that hurts your eyes when you sit too close to the TV.
I'm an engineer and always work in dual display mode. Big schematics, long source code, lots of little debugging windows, X11 windows from my Sun, reference documents... It's always better to have them all up at once. As soon as you have to swap windows, you're asking for bugs.
One thing that really needs to improve though is the mouse... One guy I work with uses 3 21" CRTs and it takes *forever* to mouse across them...
This is not going to be a TV. All the M$ talk about convergance of the computer with the television was bunk. You work on a computer, you lounge in front of the TV. Granted I'm in a rather small appartment where I eat, work and recreate at my desk, but most people don't want to have to move the desk chair to see the TV. All those pixels will just go to waste once you're a few feet away.
The good news here, I think, is that the 23" might become more affordable once this is out. Then in a few years, the 30" will be affordable and I'll be drooling over the next "big" thing...
Re: resolution sucks
I'm too lazy to find the rumor (probably MacWhispers), but it notes that Apple had an exclusive on the 22 inch, which they gave up for low cost production ($500) on the 23 inch and that there would be a 200 dpi version of the 22 inch, which is coincidentally the same size as the viewsonic. My guess is that we will see late this year a $2999 3840 x 2400 cinema display.
Not as radical as the 30 inch, but, yet another choice.
I'm too lazy to find the rumor (probably MacWhispers), but it notes that Apple had an exclusive on the 22 inch, which they gave up for low cost production ($500) on the 23 inch and that there would be a 200 dpi version of the 22 inch, which is coincidentally the same size as the viewsonic. My guess is that we will see late this year a $2999 3840 x 2400 cinema display.
Not as radical as the 30 inch, but, yet another choice.
It's true
A guy I worked with was told about the 30" display in December by an Apple rep. I sent in the rumor.
Believe me, you can learn to "work with" a 30" display...
A guy I worked with was told about the 30" display in December by an Apple rep. I sent in the rumor.
Believe me, you can learn to "work with" a 30" display...
I just bought a Samsung 16:10 HDTV capable TV (DVD's look Awesome!!!), now I feel like a chump. My Xbox (a gift, I would NEVER buy Microsoft), DVD's and regular television would be superb on a 30". A 30" 16:10 display would be too big for most computer desks. My Samsung TXM3098WHF (has less than 3/4" bezel around the top and sides and 2" on the bottom. It is HUGE.
Why not? I watch all of my DVDs on my Mac, which has a 15" display. As for my TV, it has a 20" diagonal. I'm thinking that a 30" display would have just as decent of a picture size, if not better.
But as for a 30" display...why? If it is meant to replace the TV in the household, then sure. But who would really need it? An author who wants to see the contents of the entire book at once? I think I'd have to buy a new desk to even contain a 22" or 23" monitor, much less a 30" monitor. But my next monitor will probably be the 20"...but I'll have to compare it against the 23" and see if I could really benefit from it or not. But the 20" still looks pretty nice.
Patience is a virtue
If you have wells of patience, then keep on waiting for that better price. I got my 15" LCD for $400 (refurbished, and not a single pooched pixel that I can find), and since I got this display, I've been using this computer a lot more. It's a little larger than the CRT monitor I was using, and the color is TONS better and brighter. Plus I have more desk space to place CDs and papers since the LCD doesn't take up as much space as the CRT. I'm certainly glad to have an LCD monitor, and if you can afford one, go for it. If not, keep waiting. Don't know if the 20" will get down to $500, though. Maybe, maybe not. But look what happened to the 15" monitor. Perfectly good monitor was just cut from the whole line-up. Perhaps they wouldn't have made enough money off of them if they reduced them down to $300 or $400 each.
If you have wells of patience, then keep on waiting for that better price. I got my 15" LCD for $400 (refurbished, and not a single pooched pixel that I can find), and since I got this display, I've been using this computer a lot more. It's a little larger than the CRT monitor I was using, and the color is TONS better and brighter. Plus I have more desk space to place CDs and papers since the LCD doesn't take up as much space as the CRT. I'm certainly glad to have an LCD monitor, and if you can afford one, go for it. If not, keep waiting. Don't know if the 20" will get down to $500, though. Maybe, maybe not. But look what happened to the 15" monitor. Perfectly good monitor was just cut from the whole line-up. Perhaps they wouldn't have made enough money off of them if they reduced them down to $300 or $400 each.
I'm surprised that no one has brought this up yet, but what kind of graphics card is going to be required for this huge monitor? The supported resolutions for the PowerMac/Book don't go up to 2400x1500, and what about having dual 30" monitors? Not even the Radeon 9800 has that high of a supported resolution.
jayscheuerle
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This is something I just don't get. Why would anyone do this when they could kick back on a nice couch or comfy chair and a coffee table for beverages and snacks? Sure, I can see some kids hanging out, watching DVDs in their rooms to avoid their parents, but why would anyone consider this their penultimate viewing experience? - j
I don't mean to sound derisive here, I just can't fathom why!
Well, running at 2400x1500 at millions of colors would require about 14MB of video ram just of for the picture (I presumed the display would be more like 2560x1600 myself - 16MB =p). So you would need at least a 32MB card to use Quartz Extreme on it. But I'm sure with a driver update any Radeon or GeForce 4+ card could use the display. Now to use two of them...
Well typically you wouldn't with a group of people (that's what S-Video out is for). But when your all by yourself you don't have to sit back as far and you get much better resolution than your TV could ever provide.
BTW, Penultimate means the lowest possible, opposite of Ultimate, so I don't think that those of us who are staunch DVD on our computers people would think of it that way
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jayscheuerle
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Originally posted by Rincewind42
BTW, Penultimate means the lowest possible, opposite of Ultimate, so I don't think that those of us who are staunch DVD on our computers people would think of it that way
Duh...thanks!
BTW, Penultimate means the lowest possible, opposite of Ultimate, so I don't think that those of us who are staunch DVD on our computers people would think of it that way
Actualy, penultimate means "next-to-last", just to be pedantic. Sorry.
jayscheuerle
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too big?
No such critter - I just got a 22" ACD when the prices dropped and I'm using it with an old Apple MultiSync 20" CRT for palettes. Took less than a week to get used to and now I can't imagine having less desktop. More is almost always better, although my original Radeon(32) is having a time running the ACD, the 20 is doing OK on a PCI Orion.
Z
No such critter - I just got a 22" ACD when the prices dropped and I'm using it with an old Apple MultiSync 20" CRT for palettes. Took less than a week to get used to and now I can't imagine having less desktop. More is almost always better, although my original Radeon(32) is having a time running the ACD, the 20 is doing OK on a PCI Orion.
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jayscheuerle
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Powerbook/Imac
OH, and I my sons father told me they were releasing a 30" powerbook as well, instead of the usual trackpad, it has a 15" wacom tablet and a full numeric keyboard and 5.1 surround speakers on the side (the subwoofer is in the powersupply).
Also he told me they were releasing an imac with the same display. They need two lampbases to hold it up so it will be a dual cpu, dual harddrive, dual modem (!) and dual dvd burner solution. You can also connect two mice and keyboards in case your arms are very long.
Regards,
Aasmund.
OH, and I my sons father told me they were releasing a 30" powerbook as well, instead of the usual trackpad, it has a 15" wacom tablet and a full numeric keyboard and 5.1 surround speakers on the side (the subwoofer is in the powersupply).
Also he told me they were releasing an imac with the same display. They need two lampbases to hold it up so it will be a dual cpu, dual harddrive, dual modem (!) and dual dvd burner solution. You can also connect two mice and keyboards in case your arms are very long.
Regards,
Aasmund.
