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69Mustang

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In between a rock and a hard place
I don't feel comfortable donating knowing that chunks of this money will go to ISIS fighters who are using this as an opportunity to place agents around the world. There's a reason why their fellow Islamic countries who are in the region aren't taking any refugees at all... And they all speak the same language and have the same culture.

Tehe. It's no wonder people think Americans are... No need for me to toss insults. Suffice it to say, that's not true in the slightest. I do understand your reluctance to donate not knowing where your funds will eventually be used. It's a concern for anyone who's donated. Is my money going to directly affect the cause or am I paying for large salaries an vacations for administrators? That feeling is as old as donating.
 

szw-mapple fan

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Jul 28, 2012
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I don't feel comfortable donating knowing that chunks of this money will go to ISIS fighters who are using this as an opportunity to place agents around the world. There's a reason why their fellow Islamic countries who are in the region aren't taking any refugees at all... And they all speak the same language and have the same culture.

1.6 million are in turkey, with a million each in Lebanon and Jordan. There are also several hundred thousand more in Iraq and Egypt. All in all, 95 percent of Syrian refugees are in Arab countries. Many of those countries are at the limits of the number that they could accept. For example, Jordan’s population is now 25% refugees. Compared to that, the number fleeing to Europe is nothing.
 

verpeiler

macrumors 6502a
May 11, 2013
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Munich, Germany
My friend... the problem has not even started. This is going to be like Katrina: the tragedy after the tragedy. Because all those refugees are coming to a new country and they do not have jobs nor experience with the new culture... nothing! And they are going to need everything, housing, education, health, food. And we are not talking about a few people but thousands! That will destroy the economy of every country and take resources from the locals who will get very upset because this is not something that will be for a month, it is something that will last for 10 or 20 years. Robberies and prostitution will start to happen in no time. Drug dealers too. It is going to be bad!

Please.. just stop. You're wrong on so many levels, it gives me a headache. I've seen those people arriving at the munich central station. They're not savages... they are doctors, engineers, clerks, normal people... and of course some of them maybe criminals, like in every society. But stop your ******** about prostitution and rapes, this is the kind of idiocy that makes me angry.

If the U.S. would've stopped their warmongering a long time ago, the situation wouldn't be as bad as it is today.
 

phillipduran

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Apr 30, 2008
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My friend... the problem has not even started. This is going to be like Katrina: the tragedy after the tragedy. Because all those refugees are coming to a new country and they do not have jobs nor experience with the new culture... nothing! And they are going to need everything, housing, education, health, food. And we are not talking about a few people but thousands! That will destroy the economy of every country and take resources from the locals who will get very upset because this is not something that will be for a month, it is something that will last for 10 or 20 years. Robberies and prostitution will start to happen in no time. Drug dealers too. It is going to be bad!

Like what is happening in the American south west. Uncontrolled migration doesn't work. Can you take another 30 people in your house tonight and take care of them for the next . . . forever? Can you business of 200 employees take on another 100 right now? So why do we think unchecked immigration is a good idea around here?

Oh ya! Votes. That's why.
 

Daalseth

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Jun 16, 2012
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This is all fine and good but it's not solving the problem I was just listening to the BBC where they were talking to someone working with the refugee camps there. The people going to Europe are less than six percent of the total refugees that have left Syria. Millions are freezing and starving in camps and poor towns in Turkey, Jordan, and Lebanon. That doesn't include an even larger number of people that have fled their homes but stayed inside Syria or those that are displaced inside Iraq. No this is a tiny feel good gesture that isn't looking at the root of the problem. These people for the most part don't want to be in Europe, they want to be back in their home villages.

I see a lot of people around the web comparing this to countries refusal to allow the shiploads of Jews fleeing the Nazis at the start of WWII. Yes they should have been given refuge but the only way to stop the atrocities was to root out those committing them. That was WWII. In this case it will require someone to come in and topple all of the armed thugs ruling parts of Syria and Iraq. ISIS, Assad, Al Quida, there are no good guys in this conflict. All sides are happy butchers that kill children for their own amusement. Only when this cancer is rooted out will the refugee problem be solved. It won't be solved by the US or Europe, and certainly not Russia, sending in soldiers to clean it up either. Only a regional force from neighbouring countries has any chance of fixing that broken country. But I don't see that happening any time soon.

No, while I applaud those that donate to this fund, it won't solve the problem. And this is a problem that will only get worse.
 

whitesand

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Oct 10, 2011
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Your conscience bud. Personally These people have ZERO choice. You think they want to leave their home?

Short memories folks have...I'm sure the fellow you are criticizing is not very fond of giving money to the Red Cross where only pennies of every dollar actually go to "the cause" if at all and the rest of it goes to the CEO and top guys in the form of big bonuses....There's been instances where folks gave money and none of their money went to help.
 
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Dec 6, 2012
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While they are doing a good thing, throwing money at it really isn't going to solve this problem...
There are two things that need to be looked at -- short term and long term. As an example, if you are injured, the first thing is to stabilize you - stop the bleeding, splint broken bones, etc. Later we can go in and look for underlying issues and deal with them.

The same is almost the case here. We have a human crisis. the short term solution is to throw money at it to buy blankets and food and shelter for the displaced. The long term is to solve the conflicts that are causing the displaced in the first place. Here both can happen in parallel (the difference with my example where they were sequential). However both are needed... While we solve these conflicts (how long will that take), we can't just leave these people to die in the winter that is approaching because that would be inhumane.

I do wish that these conflicts would get resolved quicker, but that seems to be more of a political issue than anything else.
 
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RJCP

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Jun 8, 2011
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Well that's one way to look at it. Not the right way of course. In the Uk we have lots of migrants - This is not a migrant Crisis. It's refugee. Utterly different. This is not people coming to earn money to send home. There is no home anymore. It's all war torn and destroyed.

The issue is they perhaps see countries as a Utopia when they are not. Actual UK migrants coming here though choice are working 18 hour days 6-7 days a week and are shocked how expensive things are and they can't afford to live in a house. Utopia it is not.

The problem in the M.E. is massively complex and goes back hundreds of years. The fact is we have one little ball of rock to live on and 99% of bad things that happen are because of peoples beliefs and books from 2000+ years ago. It's insanity.

Reading posts like yours restores my hopes in humanity.
 

Robert.Walter

macrumors 68040
Jul 10, 2012
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I've donated for earthquakes, tsunamis, cyclones and fires, but not here. I would gladly donate if I knew it would help these folks to stay in their countries and fight for, and rebuild, the kind of country they would like to live in.
 

cosmic68

macrumors 6502
Dec 26, 2007
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You would all probably be spending more money on your coffees over a year than what these people are living on - you have more than any generation has had individually & collectively on a material level on this earth than at any other time in the history of humanity & you spought other people's BS so well that the powers that be hardly need to work hard at setting your ethical & motal compasses for you now do they? People with less usually give a lot more. It's only the fortunate that bemoan & blame those who might not have had any control over their circumstances other than the generally appalling mindsets of a supposedly civilised world. Just go do so more shopping. Make your bankers happy every time you use that credit card.
 

Sandstorm

macrumors 6502a
Sep 27, 2011
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Riga, Latvia
Notice how recently in media this insanity is not anymore called "refugee crisis" but instead "refugee and migrant crisis".

This is crazy. I'm totally for really helping actual refugees (of war, disasters and so on), but what it looks like now - anyone from anywhere, if wants, can come and cross EU borders (totally illegally) and make demands? Countries who try to do something about it, like Hungary - setting up border fences and trying not to let violent mob just cross its border at will - are vilified ar "nazi" and whatnot. Something is really f-ed up with the world lately!
 

CmdrLaForge

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Feb 26, 2003
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Even so I think it is utterly important to help all refugees now with food, shelter and medical support if required the world needs to find a solution so that people can stay in their home country and go back later.
 

FieldingMellish

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Jun 20, 2010
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This is all fine and good but it's not solving the problem I was just listening to the BBC where they were talking to someone working with the refugee camps there. The people going to Europe are less than six percent of the total refugees that have left Syria. Millions are freezing and starving in camps and poor towns in Turkey, Jordan, and Lebanon. That doesn't include an even larger number of people that have fled their homes but stayed inside Syria or those that are displaced inside Iraq. No this is a tiny feel good gesture that isn't looking at the root of the problem. These people for the most part don't want to be in Europe, they want to be back in their home villages.

I see a lot of people around the web comparing this to countries refusal to allow the shiploads of Jews fleeing the Nazis at the start of WWII. Yes they should have been given refuge but the only way to stop the atrocities was to root out those committing them. That was WWII. In this case it will require someone to come in and topple all of the armed thugs ruling parts of Syria and Iraq. ISIS, Assad, Al Quida, there are no good guys in this conflict. All sides are happy butchers that kill children for their own amusement. Only when this cancer is rooted out will the refugee problem be solved. It won't be solved by the US or Europe, and certainly not Russia, sending in soldiers to clean it up either. Only a regional force from neighbouring countries has any chance of fixing that broken country. But I don't see that happening any time soon.

No, while I applaud those that donate to this fund, it won't solve the problem. And this is a problem that will only get worse.


The only problem with that is that it might require our President Obama to link in one sentence the words "Islamic Extremist Terrorism", which as of this date has never happened and it probably never will.

In addition, your idea assumes a coalition attack with boots on the ground, something that our President Obama is against, with his having taken troops out of the region as it were, creating the vacuum leading to the as yet unchecked rise of ISIS, a major part of the reason for mass exodus.

Last, our President Obama's Peace Prize, won 6 months into his Presidency with no accomplishment that merited the award, might be forfeited.
 

Jmausmuc

macrumors 6502a
Oct 13, 2014
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1.6 million are in turkey, with a million each in Lebanon and Jordan. There are also several hundred thousand more in Iraq and Egypt. All in all, 95 percent of Syrian refugees are in Arab countries. Many of those countries are at the limits of the number that they could accept. For example, Jordan’s population is now 25% refugees. Compared to that, the number fleeing to Europe is nothing.
Nice, you also have no idea what's going on. Most of these people are planning to come to Europe as well but the Turkish government is not letting them leave at this point like due to pressure from the European governments.
 
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