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Well they could always fight for their home like the Europeans did. It's easy to see that the economic migrants are mostly young healthy men.

Yeah, do you know what ISIS does to military-age males? If you don't join them, or even if you hesitate, your head is cut off. They'll also take the females and sell them in to slavery or prostitution. Not only that, but ISIS have better equipment (stolen US equipment) and in many cases better training and organisation (the new Iraqi army, for instance, isn't entirely competent), so even if those guys stayed to fight they'd almost certainly see their entire families butchered.

Not only that, but the journey isn't exactly safe. I had a friend who travelled to Germany from Iraq, and it took him and his family 2 years to get there. If you're a military-age male and your mother and sisters are seeking refuge, you can either let them fend for themselves for 2 years while you go and get slaughtered by ISIS, or you can go with them.

I don't blame these people for not staying at all.

Also, the Europeans weren't alone in fighting for their homes. Indeed, before the Battle of Britain and America entering the war, Nazi Germany was clearly winning the war. They couldn't just pack up and leave because there was nowhere to go: the Nazis were all over Europe and Africa and made serious inroads in to Russia. Many, many European Jewish refugees did go to settle in the only place that was still safe - the USA. Those refugees are some of the most influential people that have ever stepped foot in America; refugees such as Albert Einstein.

You can read more about some of the most famous refugees here (UNHCR)
 
Short memories folks have...I'm sure the fellow you are criticizing is not very fond of giving money to the Red Cross where only pennies of every dollar actually go to "the cause" if at all and the rest of it goes to the CEO and top guys in the form of big bonuses....There's been instances where folks gave money and none of their money went to help.

Oh no I utterly agree a lot of Charities are massively over managed and shocking and should all be held abountable. Even NPRs look at the American Redcross expenses were saying 74-83% go to the charity with the rest being expenses ( or salary and bonuses as you say ) - but it's hard to equate. Potentially these people could be in other companies earning more... and if you paid someone say 50K and they have the responsibility and demands any CEO has... they'll just quit. The ideal head of a Charity is already a successful and happy multi-millionaire who is doing it just for the love.

But 'Pennies' in the dollar is pushing it with a accountable charity.
 
My friend... the problem has not even started. This is going to be like Katrina: the tragedy after the tragedy. Because all those refugees are coming to a new country and they do not have jobs nor experience with the new culture... nothing! And they are going to need everything, housing, education, health, food. And we are not talking about a few people but thousands! That will destroy the economy of every country and take resources from the locals who will get very upset because this is not something that will be for a month, it is something that will last for 10 or 20 years. Robberies and prostitution will start to happen in no time. Drug dealers too. It is going to be bad!

Exactly. They need to be sent back in a careful and humane manner. Europe is committing suicide by letting itself get overridden with Muslims.
 
Yeah, do you know what ISIS does to military-age males? If you don't join them, or even if you hesitate, your head is cut off. They'll also take the females and sell them in to slavery or prostitution. Not only that, but ISIS have better equipment (stolen US equipment) and in many cases better training and organisation (the new Iraqi army, for instance, isn't entirely competent), so even if those guys stayed to fight they'd almost certainly see their entire families butchered.

Not only that, but the journey isn't exactly safe. I had a friend who travelled to Germany from Iraq, and it took him and his family 2 years to get there. If you're a military-age male and your mother and sisters are seeking refuge, you can either let them fend for themselves for 2 years while you go and get slaughtered by ISIS, or you can go with them.

I don't blame these people for not staying at all.

Also, the Europeans weren't alone in fighting for their homes. Indeed, before the Battle of Britain and America entering the war, Nazi Germany was clearly winning the war. They couldn't just pack up and leave because there was nowhere to go: the Nazis were all over Europe and Africa and made serious inroads in to Russia. Many, many European Jewish refugees did go to settle in the only place that was still safe - the USA. Those refugees are some of the most influential people that have ever stepped foot in America; refugees such as Albert Einstein.

You can read more about some of the most famous refugees here (UNHCR)

This is what it's all about people. Stay and die or Flee. That is all.
 
If you have anything negative to say about these refugees you are not a good person and I feel sorry for you.

There is plenty negative things to say about the fleeing Syrians. Just look at their behavior. Apple should spend more time worrying about building great Macs and spend less time with topics like refugees, diversity and ghetto headphones.
 
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Exactly. They need to be sent back in a careful and humane manner. Europe is committing suicide by letting itself get overridden with Muslims.

How very Xenophobic of you mr Arizona. Let me guess you believe everything in the Tabloids right? Or in another deity right? You realise a real Muslim is as peaceful as it gets. There extremists in any religion and people will twist any religious writing to get their own way. Christians have been one of the worst thoughout history. Oh by the way I am a british White Causssian Male Atheist and I welcome these ACTUAL Refugees to the UK.

ON the flip side I think economic migrants ( who these people are not remember ) should have to work for a number of years before getting any benefits from the UK monetary system, such as housing
 
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My friend... the problem has not even started. This is going to be like Katrina: the tragedy after the tragedy. Because all those refugees are coming to a new country and they do not have jobs nor experience with the new culture... nothing! And they are going to need everything, housing, education, health, food. And we are not talking about a few people but thousands! That will destroy the economy of every country and take resources from the locals who will get very upset because this is not something that will be for a month, it is something that will last for 10 or 20 years. Robberies and prostitution will start to happen in no time. Drug dealers too. It is going to be bad!

Given this is a global issue due in part to failed western policies, the U.S. prominent among them, perhaps it's high time the U.S. started to take in some of these people.
 
Your conscience bud. Personally These people have ZERO choice. You think they want to leave their home?
Yep - my choice and as I said before no thank you. We are all entitled to our own opinion and this is mine.

And the CEO of Red Cross earning a salary that nobody else thought it possible. Although Apple give 100% to Red Cross but the reality is for every dollar you give only 39 cents goes to the recepient. And if the people responsible to receive the goods are corrupt that's another story. I tend to help when a church goes to a mission and that's people who go there are volunteers and 100% goes to the people that actually needs help. IMHO.
 
The only problem with that is that it might require our President Obama to link in one sentence the words "Islamic Extremist Terrorism", which as of this date has never happened and it probably never will.

In addition, your idea assumes a coalition attack with boots on the ground, something that our President Obama is against, with his having taken troops out of the region as it were, creating the vacuum leading to the as yet unchecked rise of ISIS, a major part of the reason for mass exodus.

Last, our President Obama's Peace Prize, won 6 months into his Presidency with no accomplishment that merited the award, might be forfeited.
While Obama is not the president that many of us would wish he had been, the issue goes deeper than his administration.

Many of the very top people in ISIS are ex Saddam Bathists that lost their job when Bush invaded. Assad is supported by Iran who is only now starting to recover from the actions of several administrations that supported the Shah and later did everything in their power to undermine more moderate factions. Later Reagan and Bush Sr. kept the Iran/Iraq war going which earned the ire of many people on both sides. The country lines were in fact drawn not by the people in the middle east but by Europeans with no regard for populations and history. Then there was the post WWI British actions in the area spearheaded by Churchill. The simple fact is that western military actions in the Middle East have always blown up in our faces and made the situation worse. The solution is most definitely not to send US forces in again to muck it up even more.

What's that old line about insanity being doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome? This is a good example.
 
How much are Rockerfeller, Bush and the other massively rich oil barons, who incidentally are the guilty parties responsible for all the commotion in the middle east, giving? If they each donated 2 billion it would not affect them. In reality non of them will donate a penny.
 
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And the CEO of Red Cross earning a salary that nobody else thought it possible. Although Apple give 100% to Red Cross but the reality is for every dollar you give only 39 cents goes to the recepient. And if the people responsible to receive the goods are corrupt that's another story. I tend to help when a church goes to a mission and that's people who go there are volunteers and 100% goes to the people that actually needs help. IMHO.

Read what I wrote about charities and CEOs in post 58... and the American Red Cross - your 39% figure is very wrong. The NPR reports stated
74-83% rather than the 91% they were claiming - still not perfect. But Charities can't run on Pixie dust and Smiles.
 
This is what happens when good fails to stop evil. We are watching in real time the end result....
 
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