Apple Accuses Samsung's Version of Android and the Galaxy Note 10.1 of Infringing Patents

[KnightWRX]

owning everything including the Unix trademark.

SCO never had pretentions to the Unix trademark, that is owned by the Open Group. SCO claimed ownership of the AT&T Unix copyrights after buying them off of Novell. The trial with Novell showed that their purchase was only the licensing management business to the copyrights, not the copyrights themselves.

 

[croooow]

Liao also said Apple wants to add 17 devices that could use a stylus even though the products don't ship with a stylus.

Can't all touchscreen devices use a stylus? Apple doesn't ship anything with one, but lots of 3rd party stylus solutions exist.

I have a bunch of Apple and Samsung products in my house, both companies are making me rethink that...

 

[apolloa]

Another one from yesterday which proves your point.

Quote:

” Doug Cawley, a lawyer with McKool Smith in Dallas who represents VirnetX, said in closing arguments. “Apple says they don’t infringe. But Apple developers testified that they didn’t pay any attention to anyone’s patents when developing their system.”

I think this PERFECTLY sums up the NEW Apple we have today, litigate competition out of existence, don't really try to innovate, when you do make new things simply totally ignore or don't bother to check if anyone else has already invented, developed and patented the idea.

Continue to litigate the competition... bribe your ideas into use such as the new nano sim standard nobody wanted.

Become THE MOST arrogant and hypocritical corporation on the planet.

If you think about the statement, Apple engineers under Oath stated they simply chose to ignore and not bother checking for any existing patents for what they made and sold it on mass in Apple devices anyway. But Apple sues other companies proclaiming they do EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

 

[KnightWRX]

don't bother to check if anyone else has already invented, developed and patented the idea.

I wouldn't ask that of any corporation out there. If everyone bothered to do that, there would never be any new products on the market. There is just no way to check if a patent already exists that is fast and reliable (as some patent are worded in ways that certain creative interpretations are required to know if your product is considered "infringing").

Not Apple, not Samsung, not anyone.

 

[orestes1984]

SCO never had pretentions to the Unix trademark

Maybe I just got caught up in the rage that was going on at the time. Either way their claims were pathetic and as you said it was proven in court they basically bought junk. Apples current claims over everything tablet related are heading in the same direction though, it serves nothing but to stifle real innovation from other companies.

If all they have to do is show a picture of them having something first as a trump card to every situation then innovation really does start to go down the iToilet. If it can't be something remotely similar to what is in the picture of the iToilet owned by Apple it really does stiffle any sort of innovative adaptions to products similar to the iToilet owned by Apple.

 

[apolloa]

I wouldn't ask that of any corporation out there. If everyone bothered to do that, there would never be any new products on the market. There is just no way to check if a patent already exists that is fast and reliable (as some patent are worded in ways that certain creative interpretations are required to know if your product is considered "infringing").

Not Apple, not Samsung, not anyone.

I would proclaim that is incorrect, you don't develop a system then sell it on millions of devices without the legal department first checking you don't have to pay a patent holder a license fee.
Your stating a corporation the size of Apple is incapable of doing this? Because by your statement then, Apple has no case against anyone to sue as it's not anyones responsibility's to check for prior patents and inventions of their products.
It would undermine the entire patent system.

 

[Renzatic]

Actually, it's more "I have a theme park, and I invented some cool new rides that people could only ride at my park, so they came here. But the other parks are now copying my rides and I'm losing business as people can go there instead." and someone replying "Big deal -just invent new rides." to which the answer should be "How about I get exclusive use of the rides that I invent and they go invent their own cool rides?"

Yeah, that is a better analogy. But here's the thing...

You have a certain amount of exclusivity on those nice rides. During that period of time, you'll have built up a reputation as the best park with the best rides. Even when the competition eventually copies you, you still have that to fall back on. Sure, you might lose some business to these copycat parks, but guess what? That's competition. And even if you had exclusive rights to the loop-de-loop, people would get bored of it eventually, and you'd have to create more rides to stay competitive anyway. You're not the only guy capable of coming up with good ideas.

Since both scenarios come to about the same conclusion, why give one entity the exclusive right to the loop-de-loop. That doesn't foster innovation, it only means you're guaranteed kick backs from licenses for 30 years. That's great for you lining your pocket, but not for the industry as a whole. If too many other parks follow your example, you'll have too many people being miserly with their own ideas, and the amusement park industry dries up. It's too expensive for someone to try something new. They have to pay too many people too much money to implement their new ride innovations.

You're sacrificing the potential for new ideas to make bank on old ones.

 

[kas23]

Wow, what hyperbolic BS. Apple never bashed the use of a stylus as an option, just a requirement. And they implemented use from the first iPhone. Maybe it's not as fancy and cool as you want but it is there.

Here. Considered yourself educated. You can thank me later:

 

[orestes1984]

Here. Considered yourself educated. You can thank me later:

video

Thanks, it really does show has run out of ideas If you can't beat em, sue em...

 

[KnightWRX]

I would proclaim that is incorrect, you don't develop a system then sell it on millions of devices without the legal department first checking you don't have to pay a patent holder a license fee.
Your stating a corporation the size of Apple is incapable of doing this? Because by your statement then, Apple has no case against anyone to sue as it's not anyones responsibility's to check for prior patents and inventions of their products.
It would undermine the entire patent system.

Sorry, but you're not understanding the sheer breadth of what you're asking. I am stating that a corporation the size of Apple is incapable of doing it. No one is capable of it. The USPTO itself is incapable of it.

There are just way too many patents filed and valid, in filing, with so many claims, worded in legalese no engineer can understand about applications no lawyers can understand.

It would litterally add years to product development lifecycle to do it. Much easier to cross your fingers and when a patent holder comes forward, negotiate his claims with him and weight whether it is cheaper to license or litigate.

And you know what ? That's precisely how businesses operate these days, because that's the most sensible thing to do if you ever want to get to market with something.

It results in a few "oops", like with Apple's visual voice mail or other examples where they have been "caught" infringing patents. It also results in a few companies getting licensing fees for non-infringing products because in the end it was cheaper to license than litigate.

Industry associations, patent pools, for standard-essential patents over standardized technologies try to make this easier for players. But those patents are usually not what is at issue, it's all the patents you don't know about that are, the ones where you'd have to go over all the patents in the USPTO's database in order to find them.

Then there's the fact that the US is but 1 country...

 

[Nahaz]

Apple has been suing other companies since the late 70's. I remember when they tried to shut down all the Apple II knock off companies such as Pineapple, Peach, Wombat and Koala, just to name a few.

And no, I did not make those names up - lol

Don't expect things to change at Apple. It's become part of their nature.

 

[Oflife]

Why? iPad mini is already massive...

...I cannot find one to buy anywhere, everyone is asking for one in the dealers and Apple Stores. They will soon report unprecedented demand, and I'm willing to bet they will sell at least 5 to 10 million over the Christmas period. So why suing Samsung again? (They were correct over the 10" Galaxy Tab, a clear rip off), but do Apple know something we don't? IE, did Samsung steal some genuine IP?

 

[apolloa]

Sorry, but you're not understanding the sheer breadth of what you're asking. I am stating that a corporation the size of Apple is incapable of doing it. No one is capable of it. The USPTO itself is incapable of it.

There are just way too many patents filed and valid, in filing, with so many claims, worded in legalese no engineer can understand about applications no lawyers can understand.

It would litterally add years to product development lifecycle to do it. Much easier to cross your fingers and when a patent holder comes forward, negotiate his claims with him and weight whether it is cheaper to license or litigate.

And you know what ? That's precisely how businesses operate these days, because that's the most sensible thing to do if you ever want to get to market with something.

It results in a few "oops", like with Apple's visual voice mail or other examples where they have been "caught" infringing patents. It also results in a few companies getting licensing fees for non-infringing products because in the end it was cheaper to license than litigate.

Industry associations, patent pools, for standard-essential patents over standardized technologies try to make this easier for players. But those patents are usually not what is at issue, it's all the patents you don't know about that are, the ones where you'd have to go over all the patents in the USPTO's database in order to find them.

Then there's the fact that the US is but 1 country...

You are still making the entire patent system to be a complete mockery, and I would still proclaim they DO check for existing patents, if business is carried out in the way you proclaim then it would be a very cavalier way to do business.

 

[Renzatic]

Apple has been suing other companies since the late 70's. I remember when they tried to shut down all the Apple II knock off companies such as Pineapple, Peach, Wombat and Koala, just to name a few.

And no, I did not make those names up

Wombat? Man, I'd kill to have a computer called a wombat.

 

[kas23]

Thanks, it really does show has run out of ideas If you can't beat em, sue em...

Apple Keynote 2013: Jony Ive video: "when I hold the stylus, it's just so natural. An engineering marvel, quite frankly" *Applause*

But really, a stylus is as skeuomorphic as they come. Ive would never allow it.

 

[rmwebs]

So you are so foolish as to believe that Apple legal does care what you think?
You think Apple legal is monitoring these forums and looking for postings by rmwebs to get a feel for what the masses think? Then they can change their policy regarding patent infringement to be more in line with your thinking? Dream on.

Um...are you deluded? Where did I say, or suggest that Apple's legal department are reading the forums? How stupid would that be for goodness sake.

 

[apolloa]

Apple Keynote 2013: Jony Ive video: "when I hold the stylus, it's just so natural. An engineering marvel, quite frankly" *Applause*

But really, a stylus is as skeuomorphic as they come. Ive would never allow it.

I just like how in your video Jobs was completely wrong anyway, I don't know anybody who has TEN fingers? Do you?

 

[Renzatic]

But really, a stylus is as skeuomorphic as they come. Ive would never allow it.

It's not skeuomorphic if it doesn't have to morph into a simulation of itself. Physical things are skeuo by default.

 

[AppleWarMachine]

Here we go again...

 

[kas23]

I just like how in your video Jobs was completely wrong anyway, I don't know anybody who has TEN fingers? Do you?

I just counted mine again just to make sure and I got 10. Let me count again...ten.

Anyways, can someone tell me where I can buy one of these Apple styluses they hold so dear, enough to sue a company over? It must be something they hold as valuable and I want one. I checked the Apple Store. They don't have them.

 

[Renzatic]

You are still making the entire patent system to be a complete mockery, and I would still proclaim they DO check for existing patents, if business is carried out in the way you proclaim then it would be a very cavalier way to do business.

There are probably 300,000,000 patents related to software alone. One of those 300,000,000 patents probably covers something you consider a great innovation the world has never seen before. Problem is, this one patent might be worded in such a way that you don't immediately pick up on the fact you're infringing upon it at first, or even second glance.

Would you want to triple check through 300,000,000 documents to see if you might be infringing? Apple doesn't. Hence why they've been sued for infringement many a time in the past.

 

[Gemütlichkeit]

I keep hoping MacRumors will announce that Apple is now offering their unlocked phones but it's always this patent dispute nonsense.

 

[cambox]

So the new new Ipad will be using a stylus? This has to be the reason they are bothering surely? Or maybe the Iphone 6?

 

[samcraig]

How was that racist? There was no slur. Sumsung is a Korean and to Apple, they have been quite pesky. There are plenty of amazing Koreans that Apple has no problem with. This set of Koreans isn't one of them. Lets not sling racist mud without really looking at context, shall we?

Interesting. What was racist about that comment?

Backpeddle or justify the comment however you want. There were other ways to point out Samsung as being pesky. But not - the OP didn't say that Pesky Samsung. Instead he stated their ethnicity.

You want to give the comment a free pass - go right ahead. I'm not.

 

[apolloa]

I just counted mine again just to make sure and I got 10. Let me count again...ten.

Anyways, can someone tell me where I can buy one of these Apple styluses they hold so dear, enough to sue a company over? It must be something they hold as valuable and I want one. I checked the Apple Store. They don't have them.

If you have ten FINGERS then you are a freak of nature.... Let me re-iterate, FINGERS!! What exactly do you call the digit that is opposed again...

There are probably 300,000,000 patents related to software alone. One of those 300,000,000 patents probably covers something you consider a great innovation the world has never seen before. Problem is, this one patent might be worded in such a way that you don't immediately pick up on the fact you're infringing upon it at first, or even second glance.

Would you want to triple check through 300,000,000 documents to see if you might be infringing? Apple doesn't. Hence why they've been sued for infringement many a time in the past.

But then you are proclaiming that the patent system is basically open to interpretation, which again makes a mockery out of it, it's a waste of time, no point in it as what you make someone can sue you for because of the way a patent is worded.