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You think saying: "Tim looks like a stylus" is funny? I guess we have very different opinions when it comes to humor. You can blame MacRumors for continually posting stories about Apple Legal and Patent Suits. Of course you don't have to click on the story and read it, or comment about it, but you all do so anyway. You all complain about the story when it's your own fault for reading it to begin with. No one is making you read these articles. So just stop reading them already and quit all your whining. I'm not just talking to you, but to all the patent whiners out there in MacRumorland. ;)

Mate, I think your hurdle is comprehension 101.

I come here for the nerdrage ;) cheers for todays smiles :cool:
 
They're "gonna need a bigger boat." Though Apple can certainly establish that it was first to market with some amazing stylus innovations via Newton, the jury is still out on whether they'll be able to prove that similar uses today by Android devices are infringing on iPad and iPhone devices.

Firstly, Android can't infringe on iPad or iPhone devices in this instance, since there are no iDevices that use a stylus digitizer.

Secondly, Apple hasn't made any movement in the stylus scene since the early 90's. Wacom and tons of other companies have made great leaps and strides since then, and have developed their own patents. They might still have an old enough patent to prove prior art, but it makes you wonder why they haven't made a move before this.

It makes them look incredibly petty, truth be told.

Thirdly, thermonuclear isn't a business plan. It's a temper tantrum.
 
While what you are saying may be true, it has no bearing on who was able to patent specific concepts. I don't know what patents Apple has or how they pertain to the stylus. I was only remembering the early 90's and the Newton.

Interestingly, patents from before ~1995 were good for 17 years... so most are expired or about to. After that they went to 20 years.

I thought they had certain patents regarding handwriting translation. Are you saying they don't? Do you even know?

Don't try to deflect. You claimed that Apple was the "only" one capable of reading handwriting back then, which is utterly false.... plus they did a terrible job of it in their first versions.

Whenever anyone posts such bogus computer history claims, they can expect to get corrected by people around here who are also "old enough to remember", as you put it to someone else. It's not personal; it's simply a matter of keeping accurate history in debates.

If you think about the statement, Apple engineers under Oath stated they simply chose to ignore and not bother checking for any existing patents for what they made and sold it on mass in Apple devices anyway. But Apple sues other companies proclaiming they do EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

As others have noted, nobody can possibly go through the patent database and quickly find all the patents they possibly infringe on every day. This is especially true of software, as many developers can invent the same solution on their own. It is a primary reason why so many are against software patents to begin with. It's rarely about direct copying; it's almost always about having the time and money to file. That's all.

Apple Keynote 2013: Jony Ive video: "when I hold the stylus, it's just so natural. An engineering marvel, quite frankly" *Applause*

But really, a stylus is as skeuomorphic as they come. Ive would never allow it.

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If you have ten FINGERS then you are a freak of nature.... Let me re-iterate, FINGERS!! What exactly do you call the digit that is opposed again...

The thumb is also a finger... So humans have 10 fingers...

There is some debate on the thumb being called a finger.

Either way, Most people say that humans have 10 fingers and 10 toes, I have NEVER heard anyone say "...all 8 of my fingers..." or "My 8 fingers and 2 thumbs" NEVER! So Steve was not wrong in mentioning human's 10 fingers.

Actually, the things that struck me back in 2007 when Steve jobs said that was not the "10 fingers" but the fact that he said "We're born with 10 of them..." Technically he should have said, "most are born with 10 of them" since some are not. But that is a minor point and I do not think Apple ignores those with various disabilities: http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
 
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It really wouldn't be that hard to mistake a Galaxy phone, a Galaxy Tab, or a Galaxy SII for an Apple product. The length Samsung went to, to make these phones look like iPhones is more than a little obvious even if you do take Samsung's side. Not just the external casing, or the home button, but hacking up Android to look like iOS, the icons, etc... The detail they went to that you can't just ignore even if you're a rusted on Samsung fan.

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You're 100% right about the Galaxy S and the Galaxy S II. But the tablets look nothing like an iPad. The only thing they share in common is a black border - which pretty much EVERY laptop has had, and most TV's have, so there's no way that a black border can be considered Apple's.

As I've said before, I hold no allegiance to any company here - I own an iPhone and a Mac because they work for me.

Just to point out - on the tablet image you posted, the tablets show are (I may be mistaken here - so please correct me if I'm wrong) the Galaxy Tab, Kindle Fire and Google Nexus.

There are next to no similarities between those three and the iPad mini shown in your shot.
 
Here is the patent that Apple has which is claiming the "stylus" tablets are infringing upon (for those who may be curious):
http://www.google.com/patents/US5666502

I do think that the inclusion of this is a little bit "frivolous" as opposed to the other patent disputes. However, if Apple does have a patent granted and it is not deemed invalid, then who is to say they can't defend their rights?

I don't necessarily agree with everyone else's disgust towards Apple for their lawsuits though. If anything the major win for Apple to be awarded over $1 billion should show that Samsung is indeed WILLFULLY and KNOWINGLY infringing upon Apple Products.

People say "Didn't know you can patent rounded edges with glass screens", but it goes much deeper then that. In fact, that patent alone did not gain Apple the $1billion settlement (if Apple ever receives a fraction of that I will be surprised).

Furthermore, this news article is very misleading. The "502" patent which added the "stylus-capable" tablets to the lawsuit is only one of (I believe) 8 or 9 patents in the lawsuit which Apple is claiming were infringed upon; many of which may or may not be legitimate infringement that is warrant of a lawsuit.

For those curious to see the full filling and the patents in consideration you can find it here:
http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/engadget/files/applesamsung-amended-complaint.pdf
 
You're 100% right about the Galaxy S and the Galaxy S II. But the tablets look nothing like an iPad. The only thing they share in common is a black border - which pretty much EVERY laptop has had, and most TV's have, so there's no way that a black border can be considered Apple's.

Don't tell me, tell Apple for going after the Galaxy products, Apple have decided already they're a dead rip off. I agree with the phones... I mean, come on the length Samsung went to to butcher the hell out of the stock Android OS with skins add ons like rubber banding effects, animations, etc to make it not only LOOK like an iPhone but feel like one to, the external casing, the single home button, the phone icon. This is where Samsung have made their biggest mistake, I don't know about comparing a black iPad Mini to a Galaxy Tab to be honest, but the phones are a deadset rip off.
 
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Here is the patent that Apple has which is claiming the "stylus" tablets are infringing upon (for those who may be curious):
http://www.google.com/patents/US5666502

Good job. I had just tracked it down as well.

It's a software patent on presenting an input history for each form field, that the user can select a previous input from if they wish. It dates from Aug 1995, and is specifically only for "pen based computer systems".

That's why touchscreen-only phones weren't included on Apple's list of possible infringers.

When Apple found out that more Samsung touch phones could also use a pen, they filed the motion to add them to the complaint.
 
Why do people claim they have 10 fingers? When was the last time exactly that you hurt you thumb but held it up proclaiming you hurt your finger? Were you taught in school to call your thumb a finger? Have you been taught through life to call a thumb a finger?

Meh whatever, maybe it's because I'm British, or brought up differently, but I call fingers fingers and thumbs thumbs and I consider Steve to be wrong.

As for the reply's as to how Apple has sued anyone with slightest hint of an Apple, pretty shocking, but not surprising for Apple and it's behaviour.
 
Why do people claim they have 10 fingers? When was the last time exactly that you hurt you thumb but held it up proclaiming you hurt your finger? Were you taught in school to call your thumb a finger? Have you been taught through life to call a thumb a finger?

We were taught that we have twenty fingers, 5 in each hand and 5 in each foot. In Spanish and Catalan, all the digits are called finger :)
 
Why do people claim they have 10 fingers? When was the last time exactly that you hurt you thumb but held it up proclaiming you hurt your finger? Were you taught in school to call your thumb a finger? Have you been taught through life to call a thumb a finger?

Meh whatever, maybe it's because I'm British, or brought up differently, but I call fingers fingers and thumbs thumbs and I consider Steve to be wrong.

As for the reply's as to how Apple has sued anyone with slightest hint of an Apple, pretty shocking, but not surprising for Apple and it's behaviour.

The thumb is also a finger, what else do you think it is?
 
About that Nexus sales ban, from the Bloomberg report:


The case in which Apple added the Galaxy Note 10.1 and Jelly Bean operating system is scheduled for trial in 2014.

Apple already has won a preliminary order from Koh blocking U.S. sales of Samsung’s Nexus smartphone. In August,


And I guess Apple is going against Wacom Digital too in a way seeing as that's who's technology the Note devices use?

to further the Ban that Koh issued on the Nexus,

A higher appeals court has already dismissed the ban and stated that Koh “abused its discretion in entering an injunction.”
http://www.slashgear.com/galaxy-nexus-ban-lifted-in-samsung-vs-apple-case-11251452/

Shoudl Koh attempt to issue a ban again, she is going to be extremely careful, and likely air on the side of caution this time.
No judge enjoys having another higher judge smack you down in place.
 
We were taught that we have twenty fingers, 5 in each hand and 5 in each foot. In Spanish and Catalan, all the digits are called finger :)

Learn something new every day :) But to think I have 20 fingers is like thinking I'm a Monkey or something and can hang from branches :eek:

The thumb is also a finger, what else do you think it is?

A thumb??
 
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You are still making the entire patent system to be a complete mockery, and I would still proclaim they DO check for existing patents, if business is carried out in the way you proclaim then it would be a very cavalier way to do business.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/07/apple_loses_patent_case_facetime/

“Apple says they don’t infringe. But Apple developers testified that they didn’t pay any attention to anyone’s patents when developing their system.”
 
Don't tell me, tell Apple for going after the Galaxy products, Apple have decided already they're a dead rip off. I agree with the phones... I mean, come on the length Samsung went to to butcher the hell out of the stock Android OS with skins add ons like rubber banding effects, animations, etc to make it not only LOOK like an iPhone but feel like one to, the external casing, the single home button, the phone icon. This is where Samsung have made their biggest mistake, I don't know about comparing a black iPad Mini to a Galaxy Tab to be honest, but the phones are a deadset rip off.

The phone icon is something that has been consistently used by everyone. While I don't have any comments on the rest of your list, that item doesn't really belong in it, even as a cited detail of their attempting to copy the feel of it.
 
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