So if you sign up for spotify through their website and then download the app, you bypass the subscription percentes bs apple charges?
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Except that Apple wants that to be a secret and is preventing Spotify from telling users in the app.
That depends on how many of those users are actual paying customers. And even then, that is assuming people not willing to switch to the other numerous competitors that are equally priced and provide similar set of features. You could be right, but I think it's a risky bet, a bet that Spotify themselves not willing to take, and they rather throw tantrum at Apple instead to gather sympathy.
If Spotify is confident in their own service, that people are willing to drop iOS for it, then yes, they should exit Apple's walled garden.
Most items on display in stores are paid for by manufacturer of that item to get exposure to that business customers. That's the cost of doing business.
Uh huh, post a timestamped pic with your username of those five Apple computers.
What's it like working for Spotify? Or is this a contract gig to do paid postings? You seem to really throw yourself into your work though. Send me your contact info, if I ever decide to go to the dark side and astro-turf I'll hire you.
The initial download and every other time you download Spotifys app. You know like every other year when you get a new iPhone or you break your iPhone and get a replacement. All developers are subject to the rules.
They are not being anti-competitive. They are being competitive. There's a difference. One is illegal. The other is not. And I've yet to see you cite which statute you think they are violating. On the one hand you accuse them of violating the law. On the other hand, when asked what law they are violating, you say "I am not a lawyer." You can't have it both ways.
Let's just go back to arguing about 3.5mm headphone jacks. That seemed more likely to reach an eventual consensus.
How do you think it would it backlash on Apple exactly? I use Spotify on several iOS devices, but would never switch to Android, so if Spotify pulled out/were removed from the Apple App Store, Spotify would've lost a user=customer, which is a potentially good think for Apple Music?
and the download ever time you replace or update your device? I think 30% for the first year is more than fair. At B&M stores they charge 30+% for as long as you are in their store.
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There could be backlash on Apple but that doesn't man Spotify would benefit from it. Spotify may actually lose more than they gain by trying to bite one of the hands that is helping to feed them. Google Play exists on Google devices. Maybe people would just settle for that once they switched over to an Android device and just skip Spotify altogether. This is why Spotify should be careful about picking a fight with Apple.
As is the tiles that they've had for 7 or so years, yes. Just have people create a Spotify account with an email and send an email about it to there. Problem solved.
That's not what Spotify is doing.
What Apple is doing like adding 30% to your electricity bill every month simply because you downloaded the power company's free app.
Not only that - but for providing that download - Apple wants 30% from your electricity bill every single month *forever* just for them providing a download.
More than that - Apple prevents the power company from providing their own site to download. The power company is *forced* to offer their app through Apple's store and forced to give them 30%.
Apple is asking for 30% on top of music simply because they have a business in music. Pay any bills through apps? Imagine if Apple went into other areas as well - a water bill app, a gas bill app, a health insurance app. Suddenly, Apple would be asking for 30% from each of your monthly bills on those too simply because you downloaded the app.
Spotify is showing how Apple is abusing their market position to force 30% increase costs on their competitors.
Spotify is showing Apple using monopoly power just like the robber oil barons did years ago to put others out of business.
30% for the first year would mean Apple is getting about $48 per user for the year... roughly $4 a month.
That's sounds a little high when someone only downloads the Spotify app one or twice during that year.
There are credit card fees too. But again... it doesn't cost nearly 50 bucks to swipe a credit card once a month for 12 months. It's an automated process... taking only a few seconds per swipe.
When you buy a blueray player in B&M, do you keep paying them 30% for you Netflix subscriptions? It sounds like you want to.
The issue is that if you attempted to subscribe via Spotify's downloaded app you would end up paying Apple's 3$/€ recurrent monthly surcharge for the same service, so Spotify's point is that a person who is on the fence between Apple Music/Spotify would be driven towards the former just because Apple does not allow Spotify to notify the potential customers they can have the service for the same price as the competitor.
Bad example. Netflix on your BR plater doesn't use Walmart as a payment system. Walmart also doesn't own the software on your BR Player that allows you to run Netflix.
I see it more like Spotify wanting to offer their service at the same price as Apple, which they currently cannot do due to the Apple's recurrent monthly 30% surcharge.
If they weren't a failure of a company, maybe they could. But they have no idea what they are doing.
Sure they can. They can invest billions of dollars and create their own phone and platform and get people to buy those instead of iPhones. What Spotify wants to do is get free access to apple's hard work. It's like if i spent a ton of money wiring up the town for internet, and you come along and demand free access to the wiring I installed.
Interestingly enough, not a single cloud-based storage provider seems to have issues like Spotify; most, if not all, cloud storage providers offer a free app with limited storage space. If you need more storage than what they offer, you simply go to their website and sign up. Apple offers significantly cheaper monthly options (albeit with lower storage tiers, but if cost/month is the pain point, then Apple is the easiest choice to make). They don't even offer the ability to subscribe through the app but you don't hear a single peep about that.
So clearly, Spotify has the option to offer exactly the same option (free app, limited features with login, website-based subscription) and would even be price-competitive with Apple (non-existent family pricing in Canada aside*) so clearly they've opted to play the blame game and try to paint Apple as the "bad guy".
I call B$ on that.
*Disclaimer: I dumped Spotify as soon as Apple Music rolled out in Canada because of years of "family pricing is coming" promises yet they failed to deliver; not only that, they simply wiped out the option without giving a reason why.
So clearly, Spotify has the option to offer exactly the same option (free app, limited features with login, website-based subscription) and would even be price-competitive with Apple (non-existent family pricing in Canada aside*) so clearly they've opted to play the blame game and try to paint Apple as the "bad guy".
I call B$ on that.
*Disclaimer: I dumped Spotify as soon as Apple Music rolled out in Canada because of years of "family pricing is coming" promises yet they failed to deliver; not only that, they simply wiped out the option without giving a reason why.
That's absolutely true.
But it also doesn't cost Apple nearly $4 a month to process a credit card in their automated payment system.
This is actually genius. Apple lets companies like Spotify and Netflix set up shop in their App Store... and lets them handle the monumental task of streaming their heavy media to their customers.
And then Apple gets $3 or $4 a month to process the credit card and provide a few app updates during the year.
Work smarter... not harder.
The brick and mortar store doesn't maintain the platform that the blue ray is built on. Try again.
That's absolutely true.
But it also doesn't cost Apple nearly $4 a month to process a credit card in their automated payment system.
This is actually genius. Apple lets companies like Spotify and Netflix set up shop in their App Store... and lets them handle the monumental task of streaming their heavy media to their customers.
And then Apple gets $3 or $4 a month to process the credit card and provide a few app updates during the year.
Work smarter... not harder.
They also provide the only access to iOS devices. So that's also something.
Spotify does not want to use Apple payment system either and have their own. The counterpart of the Apple software in this case is LG's or Samsung's software. None of them charge you for Netflix subscription either. In all of these cases the customer already payed for this software when s/he purchased the device. Any way you look at it there is simply no justification for Apple to charge for subscriptions.