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I am with you, but I know why. I never, ever buy newly released Apple products these day. If you wait until x.4+ then you have a much better chance at getting the old Apple experience (it just works). Of course, you still have to wait for x.6+ to get all of the announced features.
I tend to buy them on release day,always have done.I also install new software on day one.Not every user experiences the bugs.
 
It should only happen if you are moving from a device on another network and your phone is subsidized (meaning you didn’t pay full price for it).

That’s the most likely scenario.

But in general the way the phone handles an eSIM it can’t authenticate or validate (assume data corruption or random bad luck) is it blocks the use of the device due to an immediate check on SIM validation before the user is able to interface with the OS at all.
Thanks for the information. In short, I may have to have the transfer done at the dealer just to be safe when I do the upgrade from my iPhone 12 to whatever iPhone 15 model I get in 2023.
 
See, I got this down. I wait until an upcoming Mac event announcing their new OS, then upgrade to the current one as at that point, most bugs are squashed.

Works like a charm. I've figured out the current Apple maze...
 
This is why I don’t upgrade every year and when I do, it is after New Year’s Day.
 
That's pretty hard retroactively. :)


I don't know what Apple is thinking other than acting the bully and forcing change. eSIM is actually great -- when it works and you can get the eSIM you need. The trouble with the U.S. iPhone is it lacks any kind of backup if eSIM doesn't work for you. I do have backup, but that's another phone and line that's not an Apple phone. (Samsung Flip4) and I'm getting closer and closer to preferring it over the iPhone. The only bug I've hit with it is it boots into safe mode after a security update for some reason, which is annoying but not a showstopper.

ESIM itself as technology is an advancement. But carrier implementation is all over the place.

Plus why not provide both options allow customer to choose. It was fine with both esim and physical. Why mess it up?

Also changing app interface on the whim and not maintain consistency also bothers me. I didn’t like the “Focus” feature for example. Took me a while to figure out how to turn off the do not disturb. It’s getting more and more like bloated Microsoft.
 
ESIM itself as technology is an advancement.

I've seen no evidence of that -- an eSIM seems to be just a software version of a SIM, with no added benefit, and a big downside. (not being able to buy prepaids everywhere like a physical SIM.). And of course, this eSIM locked phone problem
Plus why not provide both options allow customer to choose. It was fine with both esim and physical. Why mess it up?
No clue. :( I never had a problem before, even using tmobile's trial esim with my Verizon physical sim as default.

Also changing app interface on the whim and not maintain consistency also bothers me. I didn’t like the “Focus” feature for example. Took me a while to figure out how to turn off the do not disturb. It’s getting more and more like bloated Microsoft.
I agree.
 
Absolutely. WFH decreases quality. Hybrid is not much better.




This is Tim Cook's nice way of saying WFH has caused a decrease in productivity, creativity, and quality.

Tim Cook has all the data that suggests WFH does not work. He is calling all workers to return to the office. Anonymous Macrumors forum posters do not have more data than Tim Cook no matter how confident they sound in their forum posts.
Part of me is imagining Tim Cook wishing Apple had a law enforcement functionality to legally demand all of his employees coming back to office for face to face work. Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on the perspective, he doesn’t have that power to do so.
Do you not think there would be more issues if there were no developer and public beta tests?
I don’t think issue count would go “higher”, simply because devs and internal employee can only test so many scenarios. If anything, they’d found less bugs and push production software with more bugs.
 
I don’t think issue count would go “higher”, simply because devs and internal employee can only test so many scenarios. If anything, they’d found less bugs and push production software with more bugs.
Exactly. More people examining the software, more bug advisements and more solutions. Less problems.
 
I'm a big fan of Apple, but I wish they would not send products to the market before they have been properly tested. We're often hearing of bugs and faults with new software and products. It feels at times that we are guinea pigs and part of the testing. Unfortunately, there isn't another option for me as I have so many Apple products.

We can only hope they listen or read comments like ours.
 
I'm a big fan of Apple, but I wish they would not send products to the market before they have been properly tested. We're often hearing of bugs and faults with new software and products. It feels at times that we are guinea pigs and part of the testing. Unfortunately, there isn't another option for me as I have so many Apple products.

We can only hope they listen or read comments like ours.
What makes you think they were not properly tested? Because with all the millions of things that can can wrong with all the models of an iPhone, there are a handful of repairable bugs across the lineup? It really is delusional that people expect a tech to be perfect moving forward with any product.

There are far more bugs and issues on other brand devices (as shown earlier). Apple do a very good job, not perfect, but a very good job with their iOS releases.
 
What makes you think they were not properly tested? Because with all the millions of things that can can wrong with all the models of an iPhone, there are a handful of repairable bugs across the lineup? It really is delusional that people expect a tech to be perfect moving forward with any product.

There are far more bugs and issues on other brand devices (as shown earlier). Apple do a very good job, not perfect, but a very good job with their iOS releases.
In the meantime, there has to be a minimum set of basic functionalities that are very thoroughly tested and validated before release and those should not break from version to version, especially during the initial hardware release.

We are talking about a device worth upwards of $1500. We don't pay that money for a buggy phone failing to fulfil its basic function: as a phone, no matter how widespread the issue is. Yes, during the initial release app may not function properly. Yes, features may act weird during iOS 16.0 or even iOS 16.1, but if a phone cannot even recognise SIM card properly during the setup, that's beyond unacceptable for a $1000 device.
 
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I tend to buy them on release day,always have done.I also install new software on day one.Not every user experiences the bugs.
Yep that works. All you have to do is boot the new devices and let it set on the Home Screen. No problems what-so-ever. Then you can be a happy fanboy.

The point being, Of course if you don't exercise the buggy areas you will be happy. Some of us expect Apple released features to actually work. I guess some people don't. How sad.

Apple will never get better unless there is an expectation that Apple should get better.
 
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In the meantime, there has to be a minimum set of basic functionalities that are very thoroughly tested and validated before release and those should not break from version to version, especially during the initial hardware release.

We are talking about a device worth upwards of $1500. We don't pay that money for a buggy phone failing to fulfil its basic function: as a phone, no matter how widespread the issue is. Yes, during the initial release app may not function properly. Yes, features may act weird during iOS 16.0 or even iOS 16.1, but if a phone cannot even recognise SIM card properly during the setup, that's beyond unacceptable for a $1000 device.
How is that different from a $50,000-$500,000 car being recalled for brake, steering, electrical defects that could kill? It happens all the time and a $1000 phone is nothing compared to the consequences of that.

In 2021: M4, Z4 BMW had 50,000 recalls for events leading to a brake assist failure. Rolls Royce (3 models) recalled 21,000 cars for retractable seat belt malfunction.

So much for cars that are up to $1/2 million each!

100’s of thousands of GM & Fords, Subarus, Hyundais, Jaguars etc, were all recalled for things like detached windscreen, brake failures, power steering failure, or batteries catching fire etc

Top 2021 Recalled Cars

I hope you get my point. There is nothing special or terrible about this. It happens and it gets fixed. At least no one has lost their life over an eSim malfunction.

Perspective people.
 
Guess this is why I'll wait a calendar quarter to upgrade while using an iPhoneXs I inherited.

Still better than the Android on a similarly aged Samsung Note since I have iOS 16 on one and outdated Android on the other ..., and paid a lot more for the Note ...
 
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I hope you get my point. There is nothing special or terrible about this. It happens and it gets fixed. At least no one has lost their life over an eSim malfunction.

Perspective people.
Yes, I see your point, but I also demonstrate mine and I stand by it.

Here’s the latest Google Pixel unable to call 911 issue.

I don’t have much experience on cars but for a phone, if it cannot fulfil the duty of being a phone, it is useless, even if it is given away for free. It is how it is.

Talking about perspective, just because no one has lost their lives over an eSIM malfunction doesn‘t mean the damage is not huge for some people. Losing life is only one of many forms of catastrophic consequences.
 
Yes, I see your point, but I also demonstrate mine and I stand by it.

Here’s the latest Google Pixel unable to call 911 issue.

I don’t have much experience on cars but for a phone, if it cannot fulfil the duty of being a phone, it is useless, even if it is given away for free. It is how it is.

Talking about perspective, just because no one has lost their lives over an eSIM malfunction doesn‘t mean the damage is not huge for some people. Losing life is only one of many forms of catastrophic consequences.
That’s true. I agree that standards need to improve across the board, however I also maintain that this is not a 'pitchfork' issue as some people have us believe.

People are human and they make mistakes. Whether it’s a phone, car or Airbus/Boeing passenger plane, and sometimes things malfunction, don’t work as designed or as expected. It’s a part of living in a world where we aren’t just grinding cogs or raising a pail of water from a well. Technology is complicated and extremely fallible.
 
For the iPhone 14 - How many phones does it take to activate? Answer: THREE

No joke - So I upgraded my 13 Pro Max to the 14 Pro and after the transfer, my 13 was no longer capable of making a phone call and the 14 was dead in the water according to T-Mobile - no access to cellular. I couldn't make phone call from either and the #611 no longer works! I had to use a THIRD phone to call T-Mobile to active my 2nd Phone, the 14 Pro.

Theni it was my GF's turn, and I was at work. Luckily her messaging was working, but not the voice part. She had gone through the point of transferring her phone and all looked good, but no connection to T-Mobile and with either phone, she was unable to connect to T-Mobile. So, I get the message from her, and I am at work and have to call T-Mobile on her behalf.

I like the idea of the e-sim, but evidently some bugs need to be worked out - either with T-Mobile or with Apple or combination of both.

Reminds of 1990's issues! I had replaced a modem in our server with like-minded brand - U.S. Robotics but the drivers that came with the modem didn't work. I called U.S. Robotics and the obvious was to download the drivers. But there was no way that was happening! How can I download something that requires a modem to download that isn't working because it needs the drivers? U.S. Robotics was very patient with me and told me to go to Office Depot and buy another brand of modem (ZOOM), put it in our server, download the drivers, remove the ZOOM modem, put in the U.S. Robotics and install the drivers and take back the ZOOM modem for credit. After two minutes of silence on the phone with their suggestion I ended up saying - I think I am going to box up the U.S. Robotics modem, get a refund and buy the ZOOM and just install and leave it in the server.

Then there was a time when I decided to organize and place all installation floppy disks and CDs on the server, and a few of those were network card drivers. Yep, you guessed it. Floppy had been tossed and files were... on a shared drive on the server!!! Luckily I was able to quickly copy the files back to another floppy and proceed. I then copied all the other network drivers to other floppies and secured them.

Come on Apple! Not everyone has three phones to make the upgrade!
 
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Nope.

As a long-time Silicon Valley worker, a product team consist of a product manager, designer, engineering manager, engineers, and QA engineers sitting together.

For example, the SIM activation team should consist of all of the above workers sitting together.

You can't possibly move quick and have good QA if your QA is half way around the world in a different time zone. Just like how you can't possibly move quick if your QA is WFH.

Nearly every Apple QA engineer is in the US. Go to Linkedin, search for "qa engineer", filter by Apple.

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You do have a point, especially when Apple showed off its "5G lab" where these things get verified, tested, improvements made, weakness found, bug caught, etc. They showed a team of people working together on these issues.

There have been way too many bugs in this release - it is surprising - especially the activation one which may be more the carrier than Apple. Developers and beta testers do test the IOS but they couldn't test the actual iPhone 14 until it was launched.
 
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