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Re: Re: Re: iMusic

Originally posted by iapple


I want ProTools X too!!! But Mac OS X just isn't ready at this stage for pro audio! I mean there isn't even a audio input pane in the "Sound" in System Preferences!!! It's a big disgrace! And they call the Mac a digital hub, when you can'T even assign a USB input device??

Well... (calming myself.. 🙄 ) I'M relieved to see those screenshots on ThinkSecret. Jaguar has MIDI, Audio support in system preferences, and whole new utility! HORRAY!


I just want to be able to use my 001 🙂
 
Re: Digidesign a pipedream purchase

Originally posted by Archer
Hey guys,

For those who wanted Apple to buy Digi you're crazy or not informed, or both. Digi is owned by Avid. Avid is the maker of the most dominate editing program on the market. Yeah, I'm a FCP user too, but the facts are the facts. So there was no way in hell that Avid would give away such an important product to the up and comer Apple in the market. Just my two cents.

You're absolutely right Archer, and I'd be willing ot bet Avids a little pissed about FCP. Unfortuneatly, I think Avid's going to have some problems. I loe Pro Tools, I cut my teeth on it. I still think its the best thing going for sequencing. Hell, I'm going to Digiworld on the 18th. Might win an mbox.

But... Pro Tools, like Avid Symphony, is just to gargantuan an undertaking and an investment. The enonomy sucks, half the studios in town (believe me, Nashville has a lot of them) use a cracked copy of Protools (one liscence 14 set-ups), ProTools Free/LE and mBox/ 001 are the way to go for Avid. Thats the future of Protools if you ask me, lower priced solutions. Sure, the big systems will still be there for the Big boys, but not so much as before. I think Avid XPress DV is the future for video over there as well, though they'll have to come down in a price a little to compete with FCP.
 
iApple, you can set the input for a USB audio device in the Speech settings. That's not where it belongs, but that's where it's at. I hope they move that to the Sound settings.
 
holy cow

from a music production standpoint this is huge.

i personally like performer(3.0 rocks) but hey, it'll help all of the audio/midi apps in the long run. looks like logic will be the first X app out of the gate....speaking of 3.0, i'm sure the 3.1 release hold-up is because motu is porting to X...they've never taken this long to release an upgrade in the past.

and maybe this will finally convince some protools people to drop that overpriced/midi anemic program...logic and performer both kick pt's hiney.

btw, mackie and motu just announced a controller...see it at motu.com

say goodby to oms and freemidi....core audio/midi will rule.
 
Is it just me, or is this a little heavy handed on the part of Apple?

Apple are supposed to be the good guys - this is the kind of behaviour I expect from Microsoft, not Apple. Using your big bag of cash to kill off profitable products sucks.

How would Apple feel if Microsoft bought Quark and ended development of QuarkXpress for Mac?
 
My best possible spin

This is my best possible spin on this news...

Logic was always 4th in line for me due to installed base and ease of use issues... I always looked at ProTools, Cubase, then Digital Performer then Logic in that order. Despite the power of Logic, it probably never would have grown out of fourth place.

Digi and Steinberg are glad to have one less competitor on the PC side, AND therefore continue development of ProTools and Cubase for the Mac.

Apple takes the Powerful Guts of Logic, and removes the steep learning curve, and makes a better application of it, more tied into the OS, and in two convenient forms ala iMovie/FCP... and iApp and perhaps a pay version with more features if necessary. Maybe just make a powerful freebie!

The new iApp files will still work if they ever did, or work even better, with PC users files. People owning a Mac will have something as good as Cubasis, or mBox without having to pay anything more. This is the growth arena for this segment.. home studios for songwriters.

First time users will have the solution already available in front of them, and in working order, for making Midi/Digital Audio on the Mac in a usefrul form, without having to hem and haw about which program to buy, because it will already be bundled with Jaguar.

Apple decides to continue support for users of Logic on PC, ala FileMaker, so that those users might become interested in the Mac, and that people creating on a Mac can still take their files to a PC if necessary.

Possible, not necessarily probable, downsides: Steinberg and Digidesign get miffed, stop making their products for Mac. Audio Files become entangled in proprietary forms that force choice of one program over another. Apple makes a Pro Application only, and no one is interested due to installed base of ProTools and Cubase users. PC and Apple music software production becomes a totally split world.
 
Originally posted by Foocha
Apple are supposed to be the good guys - this is the kind of behaviour I expect from Microsoft, not Apple. Using your big bag of cash to kill off profitable products sucks.

Let none of us ever forget that apple is a multibillion dollar corporation who's only responsibility and mission is to make money for its shareholders. Apple is not interested in being the "good guys", they are interested only in money. I like apple's products, but have no illusions about what they are as a company.
 
I'm smiling right now...

I can't help but be giddy at all the pissing and moaning that the PC users of this product are going through. After all these years of hearing "Sorry, that's only for Windows" it just does my heart good to see someone else get the shaft.
 
MOTU already has 2 Firewire Audio interfaces. They look like they kick arse.

Apple buying Emagic is just to fill a void in their Pro Software lineup.

editing = FCP
compositing = Shake
multi-track/MIDI = Logic

Makes sense to me.

-mark
 
I can not imagine how the people from MOTU is feeling now after been so devoted to Apple for so many years, the same with Digidesign.

There are gonna be some changes in the near future. I just do not want to feel encapsulated with only Apple products.
 
Halo

Originally posted by Foocha
How would Apple feel if Microsoft bought Quark and ended development of QuarkXpress for Mac?

MS made Halo X-box only so Apple is free to do the same. Kill quarkxpress for Mac and Quark is dead.
 
Avid is way too superior than FCP. You can not edit a soupera in FCP, using 6 hours of clips. Every video editor knows that FCP is good to edit a TV comertial, the industry is big in that field, but Avid is a pro machine in all aspects.

I really do not like Apple movement, yes, it looks M$ stuff.

I like Free Midi ten times more than OMS. I would like to know what Apple is gonna do now, I hope not another experiment that is gonna take another year to take form.
 
Re: Re: Bad tradition here...

Originally posted by synergy


The difference IMO is that Worldcom went on a binge buying spree not matching what they need to what they got. Apple is matching what they need to what they buy.

Worldcom made the same moves as Nortel. They bought a lot of small companies, but didn't integrate them well and many of the products competed with what they already had. Cisco buy's products that compliment their lineup. I believe Apple is taking this approach.

I'm rather surprised and excited to see apple buy EMagic. I felt like the musical side of the Mac has been forgotten. Now if they purchase Native-Insturments things will get heated-up. I guess it's time to get rid of Cubase. One product I'd like to see run on OS X is Fruityloops. Bastards say they'll never make-it-for-the-mac. Reason's great, but they don't support VST.

I could see apple working closely with Digidesign now that they've bought EMagic. I don't see them looking to purchase Digidesign because it's primarily a Mac product. Logic is a better midi sequencer and they’ve been working closely with Digidesign to integrate the two products. I don’t see Apple purchasing a music hardware based company like M-Audio/Midiman.
 
YES!

WOW WOW WOW! this is unbelievable! i haven't been this psyched in a long time. i guess this is the reason for the big hold-up of Logic for OSX. Logic is my main app for production and i was beginning to get worried. my favorite app and my favorite computer are now a single 2-headed beast! nice.
 
Originally posted by Foocha
How would Apple feel if Microsoft bought Quark and ended development of QuarkXpress for Mac?

Quark is dead already. Their product is overpriced, and has not evolved much since the mid-90s. With more and more pro people in the industry supporting PDF, InDesign has something coming for it... If M$ bought Quark and killed the Mac version, they would at the same time kill Quark. DTP on a Windows machine is a joke (you can't even color manage the darn win**** boxes...)
 
Re: YES!

Originally posted by tjwett
WOW WOW WOW! this is unbelievable! i haven't been this psyched in a long time. i guess this is the reason for the big hold-up of Logic for OSX. Logic is my main app for production and i was beginning to get worried. my favorite app and my favorite computer are now a single 2-headed beast! nice.

No, as noted on MacNN the reason for the hold up on Logic 5 is 10.2 not this sale.
 
Re: Re: YES!

Originally posted by Kid Red


No, as noted on MacNN the reason for the hold up on Logic 5 is 10.2 not this sale.

yeah, there is supposed to be major improvements to Core Audio in 10.2. i'm using eMagic's interface right now and Core can only see 2ins and 2outs. 10.2 should fix this for sure. i didn't mean it literally, just real excited about the news. i think the hold up for most of the audio stuff is 10.2 Hey, atleast we have Reason to play with until then!
 
Originally posted by mymemory
Avid is way too superior than FCP. You can not edit a soupera in FCP, using 6 hours of clips. Every video editor knows that FCP is good to edit a TV comertial, the industry is big in that field, but Avid is a pro machine in all aspects.

I really do not like Apple movement, yes, it looks M$ stuff.

I like Free Midi ten times more than OMS. I would like to know what Apple is gonna do now, I hope not another experiment that is gonna take another year to take form.

MIDI shouldn't be a concern if you're in OSX. it has Core MIDI built in to the OS. i've been using it with Reason 2.0 and Ableton Live and it works great. No more OMS or Free MIDI. just plug in and it works! i say good riddance. one more way to streamline my set up. and no more ASIO neede with Core Audio. i think we'll be much happier this way.
 
Originally posted by Moxiemike
and all the audio people were belly aching about "apple doesn't care about us anymore"

All I can say is WOW.

If they can rework a way to have Reason "Rewire" into logic, ala cubase, I'm sold. 🙂

hot!

Logic 5 currently supports ReWire and i'm sure the OSX version will support ReWire 2. This is the best news we've had in a while! bring on 10.2 so we can get busy! way to go Apple!
 
does logic presently use oms?

i like freemidi much more than oms but if apple's core audio/midi eliminates the need for both of them--i say fine...but only if core keeps up with new instruments and their patchlists(thats my main gripe with oms).

reason rocks and 2.0 is core ready(though its kinda vaporware at this time...).

man, i hope this is all good and doesn't create a bigger load of proprietary dung than we already have to deal with....😱
 
Wow

this is INCREDIBLE news. Looks like Apple learned their lesson with Bungie. I just hope they make the Environment of Logic a LOT simpler. This has been my main complaint with the product.

But still. Wicked news
 
Originally posted by 3rdpath
does logic presently use oms?

i like freemidi much more than oms but if apple's core audio/midi eliminates the need for both of them--i say fine...but only if core keeps up with new instruments and their patchlists(thats my main gripe with oms).

reason rocks and 2.0 is core ready(though its kinda vaporware at this time...).

man, i hope this is all good and doesn't create a bigger load of proprietary dung than we already have to deal with....😱

this is great to talk music for a change at macrumors! anyway, OMS and FreeMIDI are just OS9's way of getting MIDI in and out. Any app that has MIDI support, theoretically can use OMS. What they did with Core is they got the developers of OMS and came up with a way to build it right into OSX. it works great. you don't need OMS or FreeMIDI. all you have to do is install the driver for your keyboard or interface and plug in! ultra low latency. Core audio works in a similar way to having ASIO drivers built right into OSX. but better. Very low latency and 10.2 should bring all sorts of goodies like multiple in/out and 5.1 mixing capabilities. Reason 2.0 is killer, even in it's current form. the new synth and sampler are great and it will only get better. maybe Apple will aquire Propellerhead next ; )
overall i think things are looking good for Mac musicians. i felt totally different about a week ago. great news.
 
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