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Good thing they have such a great handle on software! Pages, Numbers, Photos, iTunes, iMovie, FCP are all so wonderful!!!!! Only thing they need now is a really good face recognizer. So now it's complete, they got one! Everything else is A-OK!!!

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Agree to disagree.
Time will tell.

I am EXTREMELY confident that I'm correct; but if not- I will acquiesce to your prescience in somehow figuring out that Apple would defy all logic, self-preservation, and buck everything they stand for and everything they've done up to this point, & instead make this decision that almost nobody else but you seems to think they will.

Your "logic" doesn't hold up... in one breath Apple IS going to charge $1,000 for a premium phone, in the next- they are dropping components to make the cheapest phone possible. Huh?
Btw, iSuppli lumped TouchID in w/ the myriad of other sensors in iPhone 7 & calculated that all of them together come up to a whopping $14.
In essence, you believe that they are raising the price $350 dollars, but that extra money won't allow them to leave in a part that's maybe 1% of that increased amount?
You've somehow convinced yourself of the viability of this "plan", but- as I'm sure you've read, the rest of us remain unconvinced.

Edit:
In the previous security iteration, if you didn't want to use TouchID you could default back to passcode, the former standard... but in this case you believe that if people found Retina Unlock inconvenient they could NOT default back to the previous standard (now TouchID), but instead to the, now archaic & certainly inconvenient passcode, which hasn't been the standard since four years ago, on the iPhone 5?

Yes... I will await your realization. I hear they are adding a RED feature be happy.
 
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Damn, I hope not. 3x times as long to unlock my phone? Plus the lighting will have to be adequate enough for it to work I'm sure. No thanks.
 
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How well does TouchID work under differing conditions? Rain? No. Sweating? No. Doing the dishes? No. Wearing gloves? No. After swimming with your skin somewhat soaked? No. After doing rock climbing? No.
It works with some water, I've done it before with wet fingers. Wearing gloves, uh take one off or use passcode. Never needed to use my phone suddenly in the middle of a monsoon.

I don't want facial recognition as it seems to take 3x as long to see the face, focus, recognize and confirm the face before unlocking. I'll keep touchID thanks.
 
Why? the pain is already there after they disclose features. Ask Mac users.

Well.... I doubt you'll still be around, as it looks like you only just found MR, & apparently came here to tell everyone how great and secure Windows mobile is (lol!) & sing the praises of Surface.
But, if you are here- expect minor gloating! =P
 
Well.... I doubt you'll still be around, as it looks like you only just found MR, & apparently came here to tell everyone how great and secure Windows mobile is (lol!) & sing the praises of Surface.
But, if you are here- expect minor gloating! =P

No, I came to help educate and comment on new Apl products. WP is secure but hard to find so why would I tout that?
 
I don't think anybody cares really what irrelevant phone had what feature years ago. I don't give a toss if some ugly phone had a buggy awful fingerprint sensor integrated years before touch ID, same as I don't give a toss that multi-touch screens existed before iPhone on some concepts, same as I don't give a toss if many things exist before Apple implements them on their products. Ideas are not patented. Is how you execute them, and more importantly how well they work. That is what separates Apple from the other companies.

Wow, dude.

Learn to read and comprehend first. First, I was responding to facial recognition. Second, a lot of this thread has been on how new it is and/or how it's not practical.

So take a chill pill and toss off.
 
How do I unlock my phone with my face when it's mounted in a cradle in my car, while I'm driving? Right now it's easy, quick and safe to just tap Touch ID with my finger. If Touch ID goes away I will be very unhappy.
 
It works with some water, I've done it before with wet fingers. Wearing gloves, uh take one off or use passcode. Never needed to use my phone suddenly in the middle of a monsoon.
I run daily into the issue that TouchID doesn't recognise my wet fingers.
I don't want facial recognition as it seems to take 3x as long to see the face, focus, recognize and confirm the face before unlocking.
You already have access to the iPhone 8 with face recognition?
 
No way they ditch touch ID. If facial recognition is involved in the next phone it will be as an added feature, not a replacement.
Facial recognition I guess would be a way todoyble check the Touch ID stuff....I just don't see the HUGE usability improvement with facial recognition.
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if its as good as Hello a picture will not fool it. Their is a liveness check.
Well what about an animated gif or live iPhone photo.
 
Facial recognition I guess would be a way todoyble check the Touch ID stuff....I just don't see the HUGE usability improvement with facial recognition.
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Well what about an animated gif or live iPhone photo.

Same thing it detects body heat.
 
I still think there will be a fingerprint reader , but it will be on the back of the new iphone.
There are more and more clues that apple won' t be able to implement an inscreen touchid button , yet, with the release of an iphone x. Maybe later. The s8 that has yet to be released by samsung also doesn' t have it in-screen, but on the back.
I think(and i know it is a stretch) , apple will put it on the back, behind the apple logo, and will release new cases with a precise apple logo cutout( they are the only one that can do that because of copyright.) Since apple is making more and more money from accesories the last few years, this will fit in their business strategy.

It will be used like this:

-apple pay, touchid on the back can be used, you can feel the apple logo , put your finger on the logo and pay with the phone without looking at the phone.

-unlocking the phone: when picking up your iphone/raise the iphone, the locking screen will apear.( just like it does now) and the virtual homebutton will apear. When you press the virtual homebutton the facial recog tech will kick in and unlock your iphone instantly.

-when you make an online purchase, you can pay by touchid on the back, or with facial recognition. Or both (Determined by your settings/preferences).

I hope this won' t happen, but you never know at apple.

I doubt that Apple will put touch id on the back for the following reason. It makes little sense when you understand the fact that people have got used to where touch id is at the moment. Putting it on the back makes no sense from a ui perspective. The phones that do have them on the back are not as easy to use compared to the iPhone.

Next you have to look at the software and hardware and how they relate to each other. Take for instance when iOS had reachability introduced. That was not just a feature for the sake of it, it was to prepare for the larger screen iPhone 6 and 6+ to be released later.
Now we look at raise to wake in IOS. That makes little sense eon it's own. Where as if you look at it in relation to (if) Apple placed touch id under the screen then it makes sense.
You raise the iPhone and the screen turns on and the virtual home button is there, you press it and (if touch id is activated) the iPhone unlocks. and (if touch id is not activated)then the passcode screen shows itself.

The reason also that Samsung(and others) have not (to date) placed the fingerprint reader under the screen/part of the screen is because A)they are unable to do so correctly due to not having touch id and B) Apple have that patented very well indeed. With the continuing spat between Apple and Samsung Samsung will find it harder to copy certain patents of Apple.
The touch id being part of the screen and under it is one of them.

Next I think that in regards to the facial scanner if it is accurate(and it is a big BIG if) then it will be in addition to touch id not instead of it. Apple only get rid of things when they have to and the time is right. The time is not right and they have no reason to get rid of touch id.
The facial/retina scanner would work as 2 factor authentication. touch id to unlock the phone and then if you wish to log into your Apple account then you use facial/retina scanner.
Also what about enterprise users who might be able to use the facial/retina scanner to unlock private email accounts that contain sensitive emails, or how about the Department of Defence or the Ministry of Defence etc.
In time the access to the API could be given to third party developers. Similar to touch id so that you load your banking app or goto the website and after inputting your details you can use touch id AND facial/retina scanner and it grants access.
It helps to increase security in so many ways and would allow for so many uses when used in a edition to touch id.
 
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I doubt that Apple will put touch id on the back for the following reason. It makes little sense when you understand the fact that people have got used to where touch id is at the moment. Putting it on the back makes no sense from a ui perspective. The phones that do have them on the back are not as easy to use compared to the iPhone.

Next you have to look at the software and hardware and how they relate to each other. Take for instance when iOS had reachability introduced. That was not just a feature for the sake of it, it was to prepare for the larger screen iPhone 6 and 6+ to be released later.
Now we look at raise to wake in IOS. That makes little sense eon it's own. Where as if you look at it in relation to (if) Apple placed touch id under the screen then it makes sense.
You raise the iPhone and the screen turns on and the virtual home button is there, you press it and (if touch id is activated) the iPhone unlocks. and (if touch id is not activated)then the passcode screen shows itself.

The reason also that Samsung(and others) have not (to date) placed the fingerprint reader under the screen/part of the screen is because A)they are unable to do so correctly due to not having touch id and B) Apple have that patented very well indeed. With the continuing spat between Apple and Samsung Samsung will find it harder to copy certain patents of Apple.
The touch id being part of the screen and under it is one of them.

Next I think that in regards to the facial scanner if it is accurate(and it is a big BIG if) then it will be in addition to touch id not instead of it. Apple only get rid of things when they have to and the time is right. The time is not right and they have no reason to get rid of touch id.
The facial/retina scanner would work as 2 factor authentication. touch id to unlock the phone and then if you wish to log into your Apple account then you use facial/retina scanner.
Also what about enterprise users who might be able to use the facial/retina scanner to unlock private email accounts that contain sensitive emails, or how about the Department of Defence or the Ministry of Defence etc.
In time the access to the API could be given to third party developers. Similar to touch id so that you load your banking app or goto the website and after inputting your details you can use touch id AND facial/retina scanner and it grants access.
It helps to increase security in so many ways and would allow for so many uses when used in a edition to touch id.

You have to look beyond what people are used to. For people it doesn' t matter what biometrics are used to unlock their phone.

They just want the device to unlock when they look at the phone and pressing the (virtual) homebutton, and they want the iphone to authenticate the user in the process, so your data and iphone is safe.
So nothing will change for the user, they have to press a virtual button, the iphone checks your id fast and unlocks the same way as it did with touchid.
The fingerprint reader will still be there for authenticating without looking at your iphone( for example apple pay). And when using apple pay you should be able to " feel" the touchid without looking at it. On the flat screen with the virtual homebutton, you can not " feel" the homebutton and you could not use apple pay without looking at the front of the iphone.

I really think apple is not ready for implementing touchid under the display(yet) in time for the iphone 8/x, and this is the way to get a big screen in a small iphone.
Samsung is not ready, and they supply the oled screens that apple will be using, so my bet is that it won' t be ready in time.
You overestimate apple, they don' t develop hw themselves, just design and patent it, and have custom components build by other companies. And then it is not even the question if they could get a prototype up and running, ofcourse they can. But will the company that builds these custom parts be able to make production lines in time and have 25 million of these parts available before launch? In this case, i don' t think so.
 
So will this make 3-factor authentication a thing? Personally I don't see how this could ever be simpler than the fingerprint.
 
Not convinced the facial recognition tech will appear on the coming gen of iPhones, but if and when it will be introduced, I see it more as an additional layer of security, as in doing the facial scan once a day or after user adjustable intervals such as at slide-to-unlock, after which TouchId will be used for all other forms of authentication such as App purchases, etc. or brick and mortar retail store purchases.

Btw at $2 million, that most recent acquisition of RealFace seems like a relative bargain, if their Tech has any value at all.


Just 2 million? Must be a patent purchase
 
It will definitely have Touch ID in some form. Nobody is going to be using facial recognition to authenticate in store Apple Pay purchases.

Well, I cannot use touch ID, so I have no way of using Apple Pay. My skin is very rough, with cracks and peeling skin, particularly in the winter, so touch ID never works.

No face recognition, no Apple Pay.
 
Well, I cannot use touch ID, so I have no way of using Apple Pay. My skin is very rough, with cracks and peeling skin, particularly in the winter, so touch ID never works.

No face recognition, no Apple Pay.
Or get an apple watch, even easier.
 
Damn, I hope not. 3x times as long to unlock my phone?

Depends on whether or not you enable a "liveness" check, which will want to see some facial movement, perhaps an eye blink or a smile, to make sure someone didn't just hold a photo in front.

However, this rumor says it's a 3D scan, so at least it's not going to accept a flat photo. A thief would need to hold up a 3D model of your head :)

Man, the future "Mission Impossible" movie uses for this are numerous :D

Plus the lighting will have to be adequate enough for it to work I'm sure.

No. That's what IR (infra-red) lighting is for.
 
I always question companies like Apple or any legit company buying statup's because that means they're not matured..... Add to this fact the guy has closed his Youtube account doesn't help either, because if this was something promoting anything useful, u wouldn't be closing a Youtube account just because. You'd wanna get it out there.


I doubt this is true.
 
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