I don't think you read the story. Nevertheless, can you speak to how RealFace's technology compares to open source solutions, good and bad, and why it isn't better?
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Apple Acquires Israeli Firm RealFace Specializing in Facial Recognition
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I don't think you read the story. Nevertheless, can you speak to how RealFace's technology compares to open source solutions, good and bad, and why it isn't better?
I may be in the minority, but I have a clear view into how Apl works from the outside and not clouded by assuming Apl will do anything more than thay have to. So many Apl users believe Apl will do something , then they don't...so I simply cut to the chase of what will happen. PIN will be your plan B not Touch ID
How does this make anything more secure?
Secure means the NSA Prism program is NOT looking at ALL your messages/phone calls/emails/web searches/cloud data.
But those Prism splitters were installed starting over 10 years ago. So today EVERYTHING is sent to the data processing center in Utah. (but hey, they promise not to look...unless you are a terror threat...their definition of course).
So that means the "more secure" scenario is limited to thugs. Now in addition to cutting off your finger they will cut off your head too? Ridiculous and overkill.
Secure means the NSA Prism program is NOT looking at ALL your messages/phone calls/emails/web searches/cloud data.
But those Prism splitters were installed starting over 10 years ago. So today EVERYTHING is sent to the data processing center in Utah. (but hey, they promise not to look...unless you are a terror threat...their definition of course).
So that means the "more secure" scenario is limited to thugs. Now in addition to cutting off your finger they will cut off your head too? Ridiculous and overkill.
If I have to raise my phone to my face every time I want to use it, then it's a waste of time. What about if I wear glasses or sunglasses? Will I have to take them off every time I want to use the phone? I'm sure not going to enter a 6 digit code every time instead. TouchID is much quicker. It's just a phone. I don't need or want NSA lockdown security on my phone in order to use it.
Ok, that makes more sense. It's just confusing when the video shows that the app uses a still photo to register a face.
[doublepost=1487551381][/doublepost]"In 2017, you get to enjoy the inconvenience of holding your phone up to your face in order to unlock it, instead of having the convenience of simply unlocking it with your hands." Stupid.
Nope.
You are wrong.
Know what most people used for security on their iPhones before TouchID??
NOTHING!
That's right... I read some statistic at the time that between texts, tweets, emails, etc. the average person was unlocking their phone 60+ times a day.
Since iPhone didn't have Android's "pattern unlock" or anything, most people just forewent a passcode.... too much hassle!
It was the fact that it was exactly the same easy as not having security at all that led to the ubiquitous use of TouchID.
Apple quite obviously knows this.
It absolutely MUST be simple first, secure second for mass adoption.
If "Retina Unlock" or whatever is even slight fiddly or in ANY way less convenient than TouchID; it will simply not replace it.
That's a no-brainer!
People would lazily drift back to their phones being insecure & the four years of TouchID slowly taking over every single device by Apple and their bragging rights over their ecosystem security would completely evaporate.
NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.
Anyone else notice that in the demo video he used the app to recognize his face just seconds after taking the initial scan?
Or course it will recognize him when he is dressed the same, looks the same and even standing in the exact same spot as the initial scan.
What they should've done is show him unlocking it on different days, different lighting conditions, indoors/outdoors, with the beard vs clean shaven, etc..
Or course it will recognize him when he is dressed the same, looks the same and even standing in the exact same spot as the initial scan.
What they should've done is show him unlocking it on different days, different lighting conditions, indoors/outdoors, with the beard vs clean shaven, etc..
I don't like the way Apple are going with these acquisitions. They are wasting money on this Israeli crap.
My IRIS scan works with Maui Jims (not trained with them on me) , and I'm certain if I trained my SP4 to know me with sunglasses it would be fine.
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May be a "no-brainer" but the way Apl sees it...its a new feature to make the new iPhone seem better to existing customers, touch ID takes up space and costs more cutting into margins. (the most important metric) The Iphone needs a front camera so incorporate security into it..then done...leave out touch ID and get thinner and more glass.
The iPhone is going north of $1000 because they really have nothing else and need more money per customer...simple. You can claim otherwise, we'll see soon enough who is correct. Remember magsafe for USB-c? yup like that...BTW my surface connector is magnetic its great.
Apl rarely does the logical move, the do the courageous "margin" move and up until now that has worked. They will continue to do this until people flee.
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YES..I know as I have both types. IRIS works through sunglasses (Maui Jim in my case) . Facial would have to be trained with them on and added to the database.
The problem is that it has to work as well as Touch ID right out of the box or it's dead on arrival. And Touch ID works very, very well and has gotten better over the years. If the iPhone Pro or whatever it's called doesn't have Touch ID but a finicky facial unlock system only, I'll return it. We'll see, but I don't see a system like this working well for payments vs Touch ID which is more natural in use.
My SP4 works with glasses, sunglasses, contacts, hat forward, hat back, beard, no beard, tan, no tan, looking to the side, looking right on, sitting on my chest while I lay, and glancing at it while it sits to the side of another computer. Wost case is you have to add let it "scan" you more than once. As long as it can get my eyes in the frame it works.
Honestly though, I don't even use the fingerprint or password anymore since I got a smartwatch. As long as I am in the room with the phone and I am wearing the watch it feels like I don't have a password. When I get out the shower I put my watch back on and tap a password on it and it resyncs with my phone. If Apple made something like the SP4, and brought that feature over, I would switch to that in a heartbeat.
I don't see Touch ID going away. Not to mention this facial recognition can be used to easily gain access to someones phone while they are sleeping, drunk, ect. At least with Touch ID you can feel them attempting to gain access.
I still stand with my view that touch ID will not go away, not at least in the new few version. Why? because it just introduced on the macbook. they won't go thru all that trouble to put it on the macbook and then remove it from the iphone.
While they are at it, please bring back the slide to unlock.
It is a PITA to try to unlock an iPhone running on iOS with a wet finger.
It is a PITA to try to unlock an iPhone running on iOS with a wet finger.
[doublepost=1487566907][/doublepost]2 million? Israel needs to protect its little nerds, 2 million for Apple is like 2 cents for a surgeon. Israel should open an advisory marketing protection consulting service. Refusing the 2 million from Apple would have sent RealFace into Microsoft's arms for 20 or for 200. Just the name is worth millions.
Apple has bought Israeli startup RealFace, a cybersecurity and machine learning firm specializing in facial recognition technology.
The Times of Israel reported on Sunday that the Tel Aviv-based company, founded in 2014, was snapped up by Apple for an estimated $2 million, while Hebrew-language Calcalist said the deal was worth "several million dollars".
RealFace's website is currently offline, but according to promotional material, the startup had developed a unique facial recognition technology that integrates artificial intelligence and "brings back human perception to digital processes". RealFace's software is said to use proprietary IP in the field of "frictionless face recognition" that allows for rapid learning from facial features.
The Israeli startup also developed a now-defunct app called Pickeez, which selected and collated a user's best photos across various platforms using the RealFace recognition software.
Demo of RealFace's face recognition software
According to iPhone 8 rumors, Apple may ditch Touch ID along with the physical home button, in favor of a facial recognition-capable front-facing 3D laser scanner, although with the RealFace acquisition coming at such a late time, it's unlikely that the any of the startup's technology will feature.
RealFace is the fourth Israel-based firm Apple is known to have acquired. In 2011 it bought flash memory maker Anobit for a reported $400 million, then in November 2013 it acquired 3D sensor company PrimeSense for an estimated $345 million. Most recently in 2015, Apple bought LinX for around $20 million.
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instead of all these people whining that this means a loss of touch ID, people should be asking if the tech was so amazing, why did Apple only pay 2M for it! 2M!
I think this was just to hire some guys that made some good progress, and incorporate something that is already working. 2M is not even a drop in the bucket for apple!
So this acquisition means nothing really, just Apple hiring some talented guys. So quit whining people!
I think this was just to hire some guys that made some good progress, and incorporate something that is already working. 2M is not even a drop in the bucket for apple!
So this acquisition means nothing really, just Apple hiring some talented guys. So quit whining people!
This makes me nervous that it may actually happen. When Macumors members say "No way" for a rumored feature, it usually end up being true.
I don't think anybody cares really what irrelevant phone had what feature years ago. I don't give a toss if some ugly phone had a buggy awful fingerprint sensor integrated years before touch ID, same as I don't give a toss that multi-touch screens existed before iPhone on some concepts, same as I don't give a toss if many things exist before Apple implements them on their products. Ideas are not patented. Is how you execute them, and more importantly how well they work. That is what separates Apple from the other companies.
Normally I might agree with you about that. However, facial recognition brings up a lot of issues as far as lighting, use with apps like Apple Pay, and other things I'm sure have been mentioned on here. In the future, sure this could be the way to go, but as a first release with the feature, I don't think Apple would make it the primary way of unlocking and security because there are lots of opportunity for issues.
Apple should not be deaf to the perception of how it looks when it acquires a dreamy high tech company for so tiny little bitty tiny small little, it looks like Goliath. I am seeing The Crown on Netflix and the monarchy is aware of how it looks when it does insensitive things like that. Ultimately the whole point of Apple is to elevate the art and science of high tech to levels where the edge is worth the quest. 50 years from now all of Apple's iMac models or today's iPhone models of today will be worth 10 cents on eBay, a $ 5000 MacBook Pro 50 years from now will be worth nothing on eBay. But the treasure created by surfing the edge of technology, well managed by Cook, will be worth trillions. It is this edge that has to be put in perspective and respected, to make the quest for technological edge have elegance and class. A diamond maker creating a diamond in 2017 will have that diamond be worth a lot in 2067 (assuming carbon cannot be compressed to diamonds by a Lego toy yet), but even the very best iPhone of 2017 will be seen as ridiculous trash in 2067. The value of all that effort and technological edge will have produced trillions of value, which in turn can be used to help humanity in many ways (cure cancer, etc., etc.)
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Agree to disagree.
Time will tell.
I am EXTREMELY confident that I'm correct; but if not- I will acquiesce to your prescience in somehow figuring out that Apple would defy all logic, self-preservation, and buck everything they stand for and everything they've done up to this point, & instead make this decision that almost nobody else but you seems to think they will.
Your "logic" doesn't hold up... in one breath Apple IS going to charge $1,000 for a premium phone, in the next- they are dropping components to make the cheapest phone possible. Huh?
Btw, iSuppli lumped TouchID in w/ the myriad of other sensors in iPhone 7 & calculated that all of them together come up to a whopping $14.
In essence, you believe that they are raising the price $350 dollars, but that extra money won't allow them to leave in a part that's maybe 1% of that increased amount?
You've somehow convinced yourself of the viability of this "plan", but- as I'm sure you've read, the rest of us remain unconvinced.
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In the previous security iteration, if you didn't want to use TouchID you could default back to passcode, the former standard... but in this case you believe that if people found Retina Unlock inconvenient they could NOT default back to the previous standard (now TouchID), but instead to the, now archaic & certainly inconvenient passcode, which hasn't been the standard since four years ago, on the iPhone 5?
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