You're absolutely right. Apple could've included a picture on their support article and settled this. That's pretty dumb of Apple. Internet PR 101. Had a chance. Missed it.
Pretty shoddy given Apple's size and resources.
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Apple Addresses 2018 iPad Pro 'Bending' Controversy, Says Subtle Deviations May Be More Visible Due to New Design
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You're absolutely right. Apple could've included a picture on their support article and settled this. That's pretty dumb of Apple. Internet PR 101. Had a chance. Missed it.
Pretty shoddy given Apple's size and resources.
Again, the iPad in the picture is bended way much more than 400micrometers, please stop using these misleading pictures. A device like that can 100% be replaced if not manually damaged.
I’d completely understand your point if you were neutral on this forum. Your pro Apple stance , just means you are hiding behind data as a deflection, knowing it does not exist .
I get the, in science, we need data to support our conclusions , but given you routinely have assumption and opinions without supporting data on MR , really ? Now you care about data? Convinent you don’t know what data you need .... and know we don’t have access to apple’s data
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I was writing about a different picture. MR changed the picture after original publication. See post #266
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I'd agree. But durability in use is NOT the subject of this article.
I’d completely understand your point if you were neutral on this forum. Your pro Apple stance , just means you are hiding behind data as a deflection, knowing it does not exist .
I get the, in science, we need data to support our conclusions , but given you routinely have assumption and opinions without supporting data on MR , really ? Now you care about data? Convinent you don’t know what data you need .... and know we don’t have access to apple’s data
Not true. I'm not pro-Apple per sé. I do own a lot of Apple products that I'm extremely pleased with. And I have criticized Apple on a small number of past issues.
And I've always cared about data. I do know what data I need. I just haven't seen it yet. Therefore I'm not going to leap to a conclusion - in either direction.
How about you and your biases? Ready to condemn Apple on this matter with essentially zero data, other than a YouTube video, that was likely motivated by clicks.
If I were running Apple, I would have scrapped the Mac Pro (and the Mac mini) a long time ago (so that more resources can be freed up to focus on mobile and wearables), but that’s probably just me.
You were clearly trying to blame the users for the instances of bending until you were called out on it and now you're pretending that you're looking for 'data' while still suggesting that people have sat on the devices.
Apple has got so much for form for this kind of thing it is unreal. To the point where they hardly deserve any benefit of the doubt.
It's the classic Apple modus operandi in these situations, deflect, deny, muddy the waters with irrelevant nonsense about manufacturing processes, blame the user etc etc until it can't be denied anymore or they get hit with class action.
iPhone 6 Plus bending issues
MacBook Pro reflective coating
MacBook Pro keyboards
iPhone Touch disease
off the top of my head in the recent past, and there are likely several more, are all issues that were blamed on user error and in several cases users were charged for out of warranty repairs.
People can react however they like they don't need any amount of data to back it up, Apple has earned this kind of reaction.
Absolutely not. I asked if users should bear any responsibility if using Apple's new iPad outside the realm of reasonable use/care. I placed no blame on any user.
"while still suggesting that people have sat on the devices."
I made no such suggestion.
Again...stop making stuff up.
I’d completely understand your point if you were neutral on this forum. Your pro Apple stance , just means you are hiding behind data as a deflection, knowing it does not exist .
I get the, in science, we need data to support our conclusions , but given you routinely have assumption and opinions without supporting data on MR , really ? Now you care about data? Convinent you don’t know what data you need .... and know we don’t have access to apple’s data
Spot on. You cant have an opinion because you dont know the numbers
You have not explained the data you need . Now you say that you know what it is , okay , what is it?
My bias - been with Apple since 1980, my quick take on this , Apple never admits and issue , ever, if you can get PR or an exec to reply, you have an issue , that is historical data. Now we have data from 6 plus launch, 6s plus was reinforced in exactly the spots the 6 plus bent.
Two simple Example of analysis that make me believe we are looking at an issue .
Do have anything to prove otherwise? Curious
Hope you realise data is not just numbers. When you create a profile , there is a lot more to it
Oh stop. You're being ridiculous. We've been over this.
It seems you have zero interest in learning if people have been contributing to the issue by not exercising reasonable care. I'd like to know before reaching a conclusion about the iPad.
Spot on. You cant have an opinion because you dont know the numbers
That approach is pointless with Apple products, we all know they share no data. So people can hide behind needing data to have an opinion . Complete deflection in my opinion .
Don’t care about YouTube videos , Apple has come out and publically said a bend is okay ...... that’s a zero or a one . Bend is okay or it is not . And it’s not , I have the data i need
I don’t care. The last time Apple had to revise a projection to lower it like this, was 2002. 17 years ago. As I said - Apple is doing great financially. That isn’t my concern. It will all come crashing down just as fast as it launched if you lose word of mouth and brand reputation, and Cook is nudging that along wonderfully. 10 more years.
What load of Tim Kook.
Are they literally pulling the old "Who are you gonna believe? Me or your eyes?" gag?
Are they literally pulling the old "Who are you gonna believe? Me or your eyes?" gag?
I’ve worked with many engineers , and you are the first one who cannot define exactly what data they need. If your previous reply was your definition of the data you needed and approach..... you and me had very different experiences with engineering, mine was the one in the science building
So the new iPad Pro has no issue until you get data that show the contribution of neglect that has lead to devices bending ..... we don’t do straw man in data
the scientific approach is to test the structural integrity and determine if there is a design flaw leading to the structure becoming unstable. Let’s leave it . We clearly see data very different and what it means to prove a point. Have a good evening.
Apple has never competed on price or features.
For example, all phones have fingerprint scanners, but Touch ID set the gold standard.
All phones have touchscreens, but none as responsive and fluid as what iOS devices enjoy.
Apple processors deliver better performance on fewer, faster cores.
If you are looking for the cheapest products or the highest paper specs, then apple products aren’t for you, and will never be.
Instead, as products like the airpods and Apple Watch have shown, Apple competes by using their control over hardware, software and services to create a unique experience which the competition can’t replicate.
That’s what Apple sells. An experience, but technology.
I’ve worked with many engineers , and you are the first one who cannot define exactly what data they need. If your previous reply was your definition of the data you needed and approach..... you and me had very different experiences with engineering, mine was the one in the science building
So the new iPad Pro has no issue until you get data that show the contribution of neglect that has lead to devices bending ..... we don’t do straw man in data
Let’s leave it . We clearly see data very different and what it means to prove a point. Have a good evening.
Are you serious. Don't be silly. Of course I can specify the data. But you're likely not going to get it.
If Apple sells, say 20 million iPads in year. How many were returned bent. Of those how many were bent leaving the factory out of tolerance. And how many were bent due to user accidents. Good luck getting honest answers from people returning their iPads.
Because you don't like/trust Apple, you are fine leaping to the conclusion, with zero data, it's all an Apple problem.
I'm not going to make that leap without data. That's careless and reckless if you really care about the truth.
Exactly.
Even if there was masses of data, Apple would deny it. They've got form for doing just that.
When they got hit with class action over the "Touch disease" on the iPhone 6 Plus the internal testing documents provided to the court showed that they started to reinforce the phones against the touch screen issues while publicly denying the issue.
They also denied the iPhone 6 Plus bending issues but the same court case proved that they knew the 6 Plus was much more likely to bend than previous models before they even released the phone.
That’s fine. And stop with this I’m smarter than the rest of you
happy for you to send the data over , you would be suprised how much it get it and find any flaws .... if they existed . Used to providing reports to the CEO I don’t hide behind data, I get it right ! Next time you correct or call someone out on MR , I’ll call you out for supportive data
in the name of truth . Good to know . FYI - don’t be silly, it’s mac rumours and not mac facts ..... it’s opinions based .....
There is a difference between tolerance and actual structure integrity. Feels like Apple is playing on words here. Sure, anything has to have some tolerance, but that doesn't mean its structural integrity should be compromised. Many have pointed out the obvious weak points/spots. This is similar to the weak Xiaomi Mi5. lack structural integrity to hold the whole piece regardless of tolerance.
Historical data shows this is another one of theirs scenarios , Apple denying, probably end in another class action lawsuit . First they have to get past throttlegate which will have some interesting internal evidence - upgrade numbers during it
That’s fine. And stop with this I’m smarter than the rest of you
Next time you correct or call someone out on MR , I’ll call you out for supportive data
FYI - don’t be silly, it’s mac rumours and not mac facts ..... it’s opinions based .....
Seriously...I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not calling out anyone. Nor hiding anything behind data.
You like opinions; they're enough for you to reach a conclusion.
I like hard data before reaching a conclusion, no matter the outcome.
Have a good evening.