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Apple Addresses Alleged Throttling of iPhones With Degraded Batteries

- Notify me that my battery has decreased in capacity and that I should consider going to Apple Care
- Notify me that my battery has decreased in capacity and give me an option of going to lower power (throttle mode)
- Notify me that my phone is currently being throttled due to issues with the battery
- Disable throttling when using a juice pack or plugged in

All are better options than what they did. I want to throw my iPhone 6 through the wall it's performance has been so bad. I see why now. My performance is slower than an iPhone 5, and I'm stuck running iOS 11, an iOS that the iPhone 5 isn't capable of running.
 
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Abazigal said:
Not an apt analogy either. I would argue that it is more like the tires of a car. The more you drive, the more worn out they become. And if you don’t get them replaced, you will compensate by driving more slowly to make up for the lack of control. Else, it’s just waiting for an accident to happen. And Apple is like that nagging spouse who sits beside you and watches you like a hawk to make sure that you don’t drive any more quickly than you should.
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Can we agree that car analogies just suck?
 
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grobik said:
I suggest you try to build a machine, any machine, that will have complete consistent performance over a span of years without any maintenance.

"Stupid car only goes 500 miles before I have to put more gas in it. PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE!!!"
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Is consistent being cut in half ? What maintenance does a phone need. Plug it in when it needs charging. My sons 6s is doing this and Apple said the battery was fine. They wouldn’t replace the battery. I offered to pay for it. Told the battery is fine. Asked the,to explain the huge loss of performance. Was told the battery is fine. All people are asking for is the option for this “feature”. I would rather charge throughout the day and have thenphonenperform as advertised. If you want a gimped phone that’s your choice.
 
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progx said:
Although, if you want the best performance for your device, never upgrade the operating system and leave it with its default.
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That is often NOT a feasible option with iOS devices. Not only are there the multiple times a day pop-up reminder that an update to iOS exists (that cannot be disabled using an Apple approved method), there are the unnecessary requirements of many apps to require the latest version of iOS.

When an app takes advantage of a new feature that is exclusive to that latest version of iOS, then that is a reasonable requirement. But there are apps (for whatever reason) that COULD continue to run on a previous version but require the latest. (often times it is a developer releasing bug fixes but has moved up to the latest version of iOS)

As I mentioned in another thread, the issue is magnified when using cross-platform apps... like iWork for macOS and iOS. Try keeping THOSE behind the latest version. I dare you. :eek::D
 
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progx said:
Although, if you want the best performance for your device, never upgrade the operating system and leave it with its default.
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That's the problem. That rule no longer applies. An iPhone 8 purchased today running iOS11 will run slower in 3 years, still running iOS11 with the defaults, because Apple will say, "Battery is going. I'll run this at 40% speed".
 
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Abazigal said:
That has always been the whole selling point of Apple. For the sake of simplicity, Apple will take the liberty of making certain decisions for you on how your devices ought to be used. Sometimes, it’s in line with what you want in a product and the experience is great. Sometimes, it’s the opposite of what you desire and the experience is like jogging through quicksand.

Why are you only complaining about this now when this has always been how Apple has operated from the very start?
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Telling you that you really don’t need a file system is one thing. Crippling your phone intentionally with no option to turn this “feature” off.
 
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Abazigal said:
Not an apt analogy either. I would argue that it is more like the tires of a car. The more you drive, the more worn out they become. And if you don’t get them replaced, you will compensate by driving more slowly to make up for the lack of control. Else, it’s just waiting for an accident to happen. And Apple is like that nagging spouse who sits beside you and watches you like a hawk to make sure that you don’t drive any more quickly than you should.
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When your cars tires get worn does your car cut power 25-50%+?


when your 1 year old cars tank is 1/4 full, can you only accelerate at 10% of its original power?
 
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Not being upfront about it sucks. I am not into the planned obsolescence conspiracy, but I always thought that with these A chips getting faster every year, these old phones should continue to be useful even after 4-5 years because there is definitely some room for it to be fast.

I always thought that iPhones will eventually be like the iPad where your old phone is still fast enough that you really do not feel upgrading, which will then slow iPhone sales. Of course this is not Apple’s best interest, considering that they want us to update iOS with a daily notification.

If I was a given the choice right now to replace my battery or buy a new phone, I would go for a battery replacement and get a couple of years more out of it. I guess battery is the new ram that will lengthen your phones usefulness.
 
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Abazigal said:
Is it possible that the Apple geniuses are simply not aware of this issue? They have their own set of guidelines to determine whether a battery needs replacing or not, and are simply following them to the letter. They were not briefed that the slowdowns were possibly due to a faulty battery.
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Um, and whose fault would that be? Apples! Clearly Apple made a decision NOT to inform their own support people. Now the question is why. The 80% battery life rule was/is clearly bogus, as the battery would test at 80% or better, yet not support the function of the phone.
 
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So this tells me that the moment i allow my iphone to get upgraded to anything past iOS 10.0 it will become unusable? :eek:

This will also surely screw up the used phone market.
 
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progx said:
I'm perplexed people wouldn't understand this happens. Look at computers, any Windows 7 computer getting updated to Windows 10 may slow down dramatically, but that's technology. Software outpaces hardware at some point. My iMac has begun to crawl with the newest macOS, so why wouldn't a smartphone suffer from it? It is a pocket computer. It came with the latest version of OS X Mountain Lion.

I did read the article. Apple is "throttling" the phone purposefully for better power management on older devices. Your 5S, 5C or 6 was eventually going to get old, plus iOS was going to leave it in the dust too. I don't understand why people expect their smartphone to continue to operate at day one levels.

Although, if you want the best performance for your device, never upgrade the operating system and leave it with its default.
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this throttling issue has nothing to do with software outpacing hardware
 
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sracer said:
As I mentioned in another thread, the issue is magnified when using cross-platform apps... like iWork for macOS and iOS. Try keeping THOSE behind the latest version. I dare you. :eek::D
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I meant to say, try keeping it at the default. An old IT guy told me, "Your computer was built for the latest experience of the time, never upgrade it if you want consistency." Is it feasible with smartphones? No. Could it be done? There are lots of users who don't update them, but they don't download apps or utilize it for anything more than a phone, camera or social.

I always upgrade. My hardware may slow down as a result of it, but it happens with technology changing and upgrades to the hardware in the newest handset.

As I mentioned in the original post, I understand they're "throttling" it purposely for power issues. Read a little closer or ask for clarification.
 
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this throttling issue has nothing to do with software outpacing hardware
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Mentioned in the original that you quote, I understand it is intentional throttling and not the normal software going above hardware.

progx said:
I did read the article. Apple is "throttling" the phone purposefully for better power management on older devices.
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Mildredop said:
Does anyone know if Apple does the same with Macs? If not, their reason for throttling the iPhone is surely a lie?
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There is power management on the Macs, but there is a difference between a smartphone and computer. I doubt this is a lie if they added something for power management in these older phones.
 
riahi said:
The part about "Apple offers battery replacement in stores" is not really true. I've gone twice to an Apple store to have them assess my battery. They refused to let me pay them to replace the battery because their diagnostics passed.

I'm in the situation where Apple won't even let me pay to replace my battery even though I have random shut downs and blatant CPU throttling when below 50%.
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I had this exact situation this fall with my 6s Plus. It was under AppleCare Plus, wouldn’t make it through a full day on a charge, and Apple wouldn’t replace the battery. I told them I’d pay for it, though I had no idea why I should volunteer this given that I had paid for AppleCare Plus. Yet Apple refused the payment as well as the AppleCare and never told me why they refused service. A really lousy experience on a device that was totally solid otherwise. The lack of transparency informing Apple processes here really does not build trust.

BTW, I did write Tim’s office and say WTF, I can’t even pay to have my covered phone repaired? Crickets...
 
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wdwpsu said:
That's the problem. That rule no longer applies. An iPhone 8 purchased today running iOS11 will run slower in 3 years, still running iOS11 with the defaults, because Apple will say, "Battery is going. I'll run this at 40% speed".
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From the article, the power throttling function for the iPhone 8 doesn’t yet exist. Presumably, Apple will include it in ios 12. But who knows - maybe the outcry here might spur Apple to rethink their approach to this matter. Else, I see a ton of users electing not to upgrade their phones at this time next year and that’s got to be bad for adoption numbers.
 
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Abazigal said:
Is it possible that the Apple geniuses are simply not aware of this issue? They have their own set of guidelines to determine whether a battery needs replacing or not, and are simply following them to the letter. They were not briefed that the slowdowns were possibly due to a faulty battery.
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Of course they should have been made aware of this "feature" if it was a genuine method of improving the user experience. If Apple were genuine about this they would be encouraging people to replace the batteries.
Take the blinkers of your eyes.
 
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Abazigal said:
Not an apt analogy either. I would argue that it is more like the tires of a car. The more you drive, the more worn out they become. And if you don’t get them replaced, you will compensate by driving more slowly to make up for the lack of control. Else, it’s just waiting for an accident to happen. And Apple is like that nagging spouse who sits beside you and watches you like a hawk to make sure that you don’t drive any more quickly than you should.
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Heh, Sorry, but in Europe if your tires profile does not fulfill at least whats specified by law(for a safe driving), they can fine you, you can lose your car insurance, you can lose your cars warranty, they can even take your licence plate, or your driving license.

Driving slower won't help, that's called willful misconduct by putting other and your life in danger, and can lead to serious problems.

Never drive a vehicle with worn out tires!
It's up to the driver responsibility to replace the vehicle tires just in time "before" it wears out.
This is right, and the way to go, safety first!
 
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