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In general, though, it feels like my iPhone and iPad are slowing becoming less of my device and this is just another example of that.

If this were on your iPhone/iPad's home screen (vs. the home screen of a service's app), then I could see that.
 
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Once again Apple is becoming the very thing Steve Jobs worked so hard to destroy.

This is squarely in the "make shareholders, bean counters, and sociopaths happy" camp and not "make users happy"
Hmm, I'd like to think if Steve was still in charge, they'd kick him off from being CEO on account of not making the shareholders more money.
 
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Hmm, I'd like to think if Steve was still in charge, they'd kick him off from being CEO on account of not making the shareholders more money.
That's a strong possibility though I'd like to think if Steve were still in charge there would be
- 2 models of iPhone (both made for human hands)
- 3 models of iPad (with distinct sizes and use cases)
- macOS would still have contrast and actual buttons
- software that's bug tested before public release

instead we have
- 8 iPhones (most of which are too big to use with one hand)
- 6 "different" iPads (one BIG one small and 4 the "same size" yet somehow each with a different resolution)
- macOS where everything is frosted glass and half the buttons are floating text with zero indication they're buttons or delineation where the edge is
 
"Think Different" is in reference to how they design their products and operating systems. Obviously Apple has always done a lot of things business-wise the same as the competition and even many things about the products and software are not all different. Apple TV+ and the App Store are services (albeit one paid and one free), and I really don't understand why people are so up in arms about a few ads on the home page of these apps. Just scroll away! It's really not that complicated. But I guess if you and others were Apple users because you were under the false impression that you would never seen ad on an Apple service, then I can understand your disappointment. But when did Apple ever promise or even imply that?
Your question is "when did Apple ever promise or even imply that?"

Take a look at the article that was just published: https://www.macworld.com/article/1374547/apple-google-advertising-revenue-image.html

It should start giving you a history of the sense of how a large part of Apple users have regarded Apple and its relationship to ads and the internet.
 
Your question is "when did Apple ever promise or even imply that?"

Take a look at the article that was just published: https://www.macworld.com/article/1374547/apple-google-advertising-revenue-image.html

It should start giving you a history of the sense of how a large part of Apple users have regarded Apple and its relationship to ads and the internet.

That's just an opinion piece of one individual. That doesn't answer my question, since he doesn't speak for Apple any more than you or I do.
 
That's just an opinion piece of one individual. That doesn't answer my question, since he doesn't speak for Apple any more than you or I do.
It is an opinion piece. It begins to give you an idea of how Apple has been understood. You could certainly do historical archival work to analyze how Apple has both positioned itself over the years and also how the American public has understood Apple's various stances as the internet grew. Think back to how it talks about ads and privacy; you can do the research.
 
It is an opinion piece. It begins to give you an idea of how Apple has been understood. You could certainly do historical archival work to analyze how Apple has both positioned itself over the years and also how the American public has understood Apple's various stances as the internet grew. Think back to how it talks about ads and privacy; you can do the research.

Well it's obvious that many here have "understood" Apple to be this way or that, but I'm not seeing it backed up by sources. "Do your own research" is a cop-out for failure to provide sources. If you're making a positive claim about a company's stance, then the onus is on you to do your research to back that claim up.

For example, when Apple announced the CSAM scanning for iCloud Photos, it quickly became clear that many here totally did not understand Apple's stance on privacy. They were posting pictures of "What happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone" banners, apparently failing to realize that iCloud photos are photos you've moved from your iPhone onto Apple's servers, and those have always been accessible by Apple per the iCloud terms and conditions. So that's just an example of just because people (even many people) "understand" something to be so doesn't make it so.
 
Well it's obvious that many here have "understood" Apple to be this way or that, but I'm not seeing it backed up by sources. "Do your own research" is a cop-out for failure to provide sources. If you're making a positive claim about a company's stance, then the onus is on you to do your research to back that claim up.

For example, when Apple announced the CSAM scanning for iCloud Photos, it quickly became clear that many here totally did not understand Apple's stance on privacy. They were posting pictures of "What happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone" banners, apparently failing to realize that iCloud photos are photos you've moved from your iPhone onto Apple's servers, and those have always been accessible by Apple per the iCloud terms and conditions. So that's just an example of just because people (even many people) "understand" something to be so doesn't make it so.
Dude.

There’s enough out there to show how this increasing ad focus by Apple is contrary to how people external AND internal to Apple understands the company.

 
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Dude.

There’s enough out there to show how this increasing ad focus by Apple is contrary to how people external AND internal to Apple understands the company.


More opinion pieces and heresay. But, hey, it's on the Internet so his opinion in the article title must be fact, right? Apple's stance on privacy is that what you do on your iPhone stays on your iPhone. But what people seem to forget is that when you're connected to an Apple service such as iCloud or AppleTV or Apple Music, you're sending out information (.e.g what you're watching/listening to) to their servers, thus voluntarily leaving the secure enclave of your iPhone. This has always been the case.

This just proves how easy it is to rile people up online when people think primarily with their emotions and thus have knee-jerk reactions.

@NetMage Truth hurts, doesn't it? Spamming all my comments with angry and laughing emojis doesn't change the facts. How about actually engage in conversation with rational argumentation against what I've said if you believe it's incorrect?
 
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More opinion pieces and heresay. But, hey, it's on the Internet so his opinion in the article title must be fact, right? Apple's stance on privacy is that what you do on your iPhone stays on your iPhone. But what people seem to forget is that when you're connected to an Apple service such as iCloud or AppleTV or Apple Music, you're sending out information (.e.g what you're watching/listening to) to their servers, thus voluntarily leaving the secure enclave of your iPhone. This has always been the case.

This just proves how easy it is to rile people up online when people think primarily with their emotions and thus have knee-jerk reactions.
What are you talking about? We're talking about ads. While ads can be related to privacy, I think we weren't really gonig that route. We're talking about ads, whether they are targeted or not.
 
What are you talking about? We're talking about ads. While ads can be related to privacy, I think we weren't really gonig that route. We're talking about ads, whether they are targeted or not.

Did you not even read the article you linked beyond the headline? For example:

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Did you not even read the article you linked beyond the headline? For example:

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The privacy issue is one issue for ads. The other one we were also talking about is ads in general which the article does talk about. Privacy is ONE of many issues that ads brings up as the article pointed out.

Many complaints that I recall from this thread were not specific to the issue of privacy. There's also the issue of just seeing ads which was what a lot of the grumbling has been about. This isn't to discount the issue of ads and privacy.

Edit: the gambling ads debacle, for example, I don't think was related to privacy issues. It was merely that gambling app ads were associated with certain keywords that it shouldn't have been (something like that, roughly) and so when people searched for certain things, the gambling ads came up. That's not really a privacy issue, for example.
 
The privacy issue is one issue for ads. The other one we were also talking about is ads in general which the article does talk about. Privacy is ONE of many issues that ads brings up as the article pointed out.

Many complaints that I recall from this thread were not specific to the issue of privacy. There's also the issue of just seeing ads which was what a lot of the grumbling has been about. This isn't to discount the issue of ads and privacy.

Edit: the gambling ads debacle, for example, I don't think was related to privacy issues. It was merely that gambling app ads were associated with certain keywords that it shouldn't have been (something like that, roughly) and so when people searched for certain things, the gambling ads came up. That's not really a privacy issue, for example.

So, again, I know of no stated Apple principle that says they won't run ads. Just because Apple does something different than it did in the past doesn't mean they were against it based on principle in the past and have now contradicted themselves.

As for the implementation of ads and how they could be improved, that's a different topic.
 
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The privacy issue is one issue for ads. The other one we were also talking about is ads in general which the article does talk about. Privacy is ONE of many issues that ads brings up as the article pointed out.

Many complaints that I recall from this thread were not specific to the issue of privacy. There's also the issue of just seeing ads which was what a lot of the grumbling has been about. This isn't to discount the issue of ads and privacy.

Edit: the gambling ads debacle, for example, I don't think was related to privacy issues. It was merely that gambling app ads were associated with certain keywords that it shouldn't have been (something like that, roughly) and so when people searched for certain things, the gambling ads came up. That's not really a privacy issue, for example.

For me it is a two-prong issue:
1. Getting ads I never expected in places I never expected nor wanted
2. Collection of data that I specifically declined - turned off in Settings and harvesting of that data
 
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So, again, I know of no stated Apple principle that says they won't run ads. Just because Apple does something different than it did in the past doesn't mean they were against it based on principle in the past and have now contradicted themselves.

As for the implementation of ads and how they could be improved, that's a different topic.
LOL. SMH.

For me it is a two-prong issue:
1. Getting ads I never expected in places I never expected nor wanted
2. Collection of data that I specifically declined - turned off in Settings and harvesting of that data

Same here. Both are my concerns too.
 
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This is helpful. I like Apple making suggestions because I can never seem to figure out what I really want to watch.

This is definitely sarcasm right? The Watch Now page has always been stuffed with advertisements. It's just that what I actually wanted to see USED to be prominently displayed. Now that page is a full page banner ad hiding the tiny row of what I actually want to see.
 
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